koz2000 1 #1 March 8, 2004 Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide plans to sue the United States and France for allegedly kidnapping him News Story This should get interesting...______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 March 9, 2004 Reminds me of a song. Honestly, the only reason this idiot is alive today is because he left the country. If he wants to sue us over it, then we should take him out of the game.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #3 March 9, 2004 Quote Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide plans to sue the United States and France for allegedly kidnapping him My solution: take him back, and drop him off in the middle of one of those street riots of angy citizens. Then say; "See ya'!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koz2000 1 #4 March 9, 2004 HOLY $%@# John Rich and Quade agree on something political!!!! And I agree with them as well. The world will be ending soon.______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary350 0 #5 March 9, 2004 Quote Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide plans to sue the United States and France for allegedly kidnapping him News Story This should get interesting... Coulda sworn this was going to be a link to The Onion! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #6 March 9, 2004 lol who cares what he wants.-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 March 9, 2004 I'm guessing the John and I would actually agree on a lot more if we could stay away from one particular issue.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #8 March 9, 2004 whast that issue???? guns!!!-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary350 0 #9 March 9, 2004 QuoteReminds me of a song. Quade - you're not a Danny Elfman / Boingo fan, are you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 March 9, 2004 Huge.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #11 March 9, 2004 I guess the stupid son of a bitch will be whinning to the worthless fuckin un, who will decree that the U.S. is at fault. Fuck the "tidybowel blue bennie cap bastards! They ain't shit. Idea, take Aristide and drop him from an Otter over the blue cap headquaters building and see if he bounces! We could sell the footage to "Real TV" -------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #12 March 9, 2004 Aristide is a sketchy little guy. I met him a few times in 94-95 when we were there. He likes to sit around and play folk music on his guitar. There are a few peacocks that strut around the presidential palace in Port Au Prince; I never knew they could jump so high. You would be walking by, under the trees around the back of the palace, and they would sqwawk at you from up in the trees; very odd. I stayed for quite some time in DeSaline Barracks, right behind the palace. Another one of the many, many structures that was erected in the early 1900's (1915-1934) by the US during the first occupation that has since fallen into complete disrepair. DeSaline was the US Marine barracks for both the first and second occupations. Last time we (my Army unit) were there, people would march around with tree branches chanting "Aristide, Aristide". They thought he was the answer to it all; what a joke. He was weak and just as crooked as any of his predecessors, though less violent. It was incredibly disheartening to see the remnants of such a nice city utterly gutted by looters. Not a single building left unguarded has any of its fixtures, wiring, windows, anything. The second a building goes unguarded, it is looted to the bare walls. Such is life in Haiti. People will destroy infrastructure without any concern for the repurcussions on not only everyone around them, but themselves as well. We showed up, occupied the major cities, and attempted to restore order and at least get some electricity flowing. We would show up at power plants and stand aghast at the monumental tasks before us. The "citizens" has taken over the sites, then simply scavenged everything of potential value to them to take and trade in the markets. Wire windings out of generators; switches, fuel tanks, etc. All they would leave is what they could not carry. Never mind that all they needed to restore power was diesel fuel for the tank. No, instead they chose to loot and riot in the streets, running around with machetes like the natives in some old Tarzan movie. Fucking idiots. Of course once they knew we were there to "help" (read: give them free shit), they would clean up their act just long enough to get said free stuff, then run around and beat each other up so that they could horde the goods and sell it on the black market. We routinely took down houses full of contraband goods, many times it was that of the local mayor or other town leader. Incredible corruption at every turn. I have been inside the presidential palace and I have stood on the top of the open garbage collection sites in Port Au Prince. I have eaten ice cream in Petionville (the only sizable bastion of wealth in the country, where everyone speaks "real" French). I have flown in circles in a MH-60 around a castle called "The Citadel" and rode a donkey up the trail to visit it. I have stayed in an occupied Baptist mission while operating roadblocks on the only North/South highway in the country. I have seen the end result of a hurricane sweeping through a valley occupied with squatters, washing 500 of them into the ocean and burrying many, many of them in mud, leaving only body parts sticking out of the now-solid surface. Of course nobody bothered to police up the corpses. I have seen more riots than I can count. I have seen people attack each other with machetes and I have treated some of the victims. I have been part of local and national elections and shook my head at the lack of control measures. I have deployed the emergency slide on the side of one of the many deserted/inoperable jet liners sitting on the ramp at the international airport and slid down it, just for shits and grins. Lastly, I was on one of the very first MH-53's that set down at that airport on the first day of the last occupation; I was carrying 150 pounds of equipment. It is my very-educated opinion that nothing any country ever does to aid Haiti (and other similar places) will ever lead to any "real" change. We (the US and anyone else involved in trying to "assist") are simply pissing the money away. That kind of stuff makes me ill. I loathe what I saw there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #13 March 9, 2004 2 out of 2 concur on that note my friend. We should seal the borders, sink the rafts, and let the place die. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
