Do you think your dz.com title should be based on number of posts or your experience as a skydiver?

[jumpinjackflash 0]

Ok,

It took me awhile (k, I'm a slow learner) to figure out that "Old Hand" or "Enthusiast" meant the number of times that you've posted to dz.com.

While I find the whole thing interesting from a pure bullshit factor kinda thing I'd think that it would better reflect the spirit of this site, as in, all the jm's and skygods are usually tryin to tell us newbies to be quiet and listen and we may learn something....

In that spirit, a newbie could look at my avatar and title and think "Hmmm, Old hand, he must know something".

When actually all I know is how to run my trap incessantly


So, in that spirt, what do you think?

Should your title reflect your ability to type like a madman or your experience in the sky????


On a side note, rigging certs, jm certs (AFF, TANDEM, ETC...) should also bump your title higher.

K,



Done,



thanks


Jack

It's a gas, gas, gas...

[Unstable 9]

If they did it on Jump Numbers and Knowledge - How can you accuratly asses that? People here have a hard enough time admitting their own jump numbers, I just don't think that it would work very well.
On the other side, the number of posts thing is a pain in the butt too - you get posts like "16 more posts, 15 more posts, 14 more posts.........1 more post, I'M A VERERAN!!!" but it's still the best way to do it.....

=========Shaun ==========

[indyz 1]

Honestly, I'd be happy to see them go all together. Basing titles on post numbers alone seems to encourage post whoring, especially when people are approaching the next level. Basing them on experience, ratings, etc. would, IMHO, be too susceptible to manipulation by unscrupulous users and require too much policing my moderators who already have a lot to do.

There is an interesting thread in Suggestions about ranking users based on community feedback, so that the status of a person who gives consistently good advice would be elevated by his/her peers. It has the potential to be a good system, but similar trust metrics have shown weaknesses to manipulation in the past.

[panzwami 0]

Short answer: If there are titles, I think it makes more sense to have them based on experience.

Long answer: I see no real reason to have titles at all, since I don't think people should be making real-life decisions based on what they read on here. That's why people always hedge their posts with "...but ask your instructor." Plus, what's to keep someone from putting down that they have 10,000 jumps and every rating in the book? Don't really see the point, but that's just me.

Matt
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[nightjumps 1]

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Honestly, I'd be happy to see them go all together.

Motion seconded.

[Jarcie 0]

I understand the confusion, but explanations of the titles are in the Forum FAQ.

The issue I see with making titles dependent on experience is that someone would have to make sure people's experience actually matched what they were claiming. This would add huge overhead, particularly since we don't always even know who's real.

Just my opinion, and I'm only an Enthusiast.

[Lee03 0]

I like it as it is now, and prefer to keep it this way.

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To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities.

--Nevil Shute, Slide Rule

[Unstable 9]

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There is an interesting thread in Suggestions about ranking users based on community feedback, so that the status of a person who gives consistently good advice would be elevated by his/her peers. It has the potential to be a good system, but similar trust metrics have shown weaknesses to manipulation in the past

I would see this as causing a lot of problems - Imagine, a little quibble in a Politics thread leads to negative feedback or backstabbing.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that what we have now Really isn't such a bad idea.... Yeah, it's a pain in the butt when people postwhore to get to a new level, but it't not a real problem yet, more of an annoyance. It is the onlyl fair way to do a rating system all together, and there is not way for someone to go and embellish their status by not being honest with their numbers/experience/ratings...

Really not a big deal if you think about it...

=========Shaun ==========

[Unstable 9]

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I like it as it is now, and prefer to keep it this way

I second that. It also gives us an idea how active they are in the DZ.com community...

=========Shaun ==========

[jumpinjackflash 0]

Which is a good point, but in reality it doesn't really hold water.

You can bullshit here about your jump numbers all you want, but the "real people" (look for the "are you real" posts) know who you are.

Our community is too small, everyone knows someone.

If you want to know if I'm real or my numbers are bullshit, just ask Kai2k1, or Flygirl03, or Rosa, who knows Michele, who knows Dove, who knows, etc...etc...etc...

So, yes, thats a good point, but, everyone on this site that actually hangs around after their first jump can touch someone that can verify if someones a complete crap head or they really are what they claim.

The other most obvious thing for everyone, is you shouldn't rely on the advice of one anyway for anything.... Too dangerous...

However, look at the posts, SkyBytch, BillVon, Hookit, NightJumps, RiggerBob, etc...etc...etc...

Read the profiles, EVERYONE SHOULD UPDATE THEIR DAMN PROFILES, it all works out, you know who's who. If someone says something stupid, everyone pretty much puts them in their place.

It's the beauty of this site. Sangiro is fabulous, this is the most "useful" website I've ever encountered, and I'm a damn IT professional. lol - seriously, it's in my profile. roflmao



You cannot be a poser on this site for long and not be found out.




jjf



I'm not crazy I'm just a little unwell...

It's a gas, gas, gas...

[n2skdvn 0]

Thats why we have profiles if someone is a carpal tunnel giving out hook turn advice. look at their profile see how many jumps they have,kind of canopy they fly.another reason to fill out your profile you dont have to give your name in just fill out your jump history. i personaly like seeing the names HH makes up for clay as his post # go up

if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN
my site

[jumpinjackflash 0]

I started this as a serious post, but it's late and the beer is good.

That said, I'm getting a major kick that the "how many beers" vote is winning.

Damn I love this sport.






blues


Jack

It's a gas, gas, gas...

[skybytch 273]

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You cannot be a poser on this site for long and not be found out.

I gotta disagree. I've been posting here for over three years and so far no one has figured out what a poser I really am. I've even got HH fooled into thinking I'm something I'm not - boy is he gonna be pissed when he finds out.

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I started this as a serious post, but it's late and the beer is good.

Beer is good.

[n2skdvn 0]

thats why i got into this sport the beer and the fun!!!

if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN
my site

[jumpinjackflash 0]

I'll second that, back in a minute.


Amber Bock is rather tasty.





It's not just for breakfast anymore.

It's a gas, gas, gas...

[Amazon 7]

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Amber Bock is rather tasty

I must agree. I had not tried it till Eloy in the beer trailer..

NOTE ot ELOY staff for Holiday Boogie 2004.. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get much much more of this so it does not run out and leave the BUDWIESER LIGHT... BYUCKYPOOPOOCACKA

[piisfish 140]

yeah, it should be temporised, or averaged, with the number of jumps, qualifications etc.. that you put in your profile.
that's exactly why I decided to abandon my previous Login, which was Lazyfrog. I reached the "Carpal Tunnel" level, but still only have 380 jumps... And I thought it was not a very good idea specially for people arriving on the forum, they could think that people with a "high" title are very experimented... But some have even less than I do...

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[slotperfect 7]

Personally, I don't want a "title" that reflects my jump numbers. To me, that uses my jump numbers as a measuring stick to give me "status" in the sport, which is really not what I'm about.

IMHO, jump numbers only very generally indicate someone's experience level. There are some 150 jump wonders with natural talent that can fly circles around me.

When I joined the site, I explored a lot, and found the explanation to the DZ.com title next to my name.

The current system makes sense to me.

Arrive Safely

John

[CDRINF 1]

I take the counter-intuitive approach. It is my observation that number of posts often seems to be inversely proportional to number of jumps. Not a hard, fast rule, but it does seem like those that do the most posting often seem to be the least experienced jumpers. Any ideas on why that is?

CDR

[flyhi 24]

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I take the counter-intuitive approach. It is my observation that number of posts often seems to be inversely proportional to number of jumps.

You mean like if there was a Fanatic on here with eight jumps and thousands of posts and the inventor of some of the most innovative and, possibly, sport and industry saving devices is "only" an Old Hand with 300+ posts?

Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics.

[jumpinjackflash 0]

I don't know, I'm kind of getting a major kick out of the fact that the beer column is in danger of leading the pack...



Seriously though, I do understand what everyone is saying it's just that, to me, jumps and ratings are what places "experience"....

Number of posts is practically meaningless to me.




jjf

It's a gas, gas, gas...

[BikerBabe 0]

Well, for those who are/have been members on other message boards out there in internet land, you'd know that titles referring to post numbers is a standard thing, and probably a function of the board software.

Some boards allow you to type in your own title.

None that I know that have titles have the ability to base them on anything but post numbers or personal choice (you type one in). While I'm sure it's possible, it's probably a huge hassle, especially for a board this big.

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

[goose491 0]

I voted for number of posts because, skydiver or whuffo, your 'title' in an internet forum is supposed to reflect just that. The threads show a comunity of sorts, your 'title' shows roughly how much you've contributed to this mini-society or how long you've been around. Thusly, it indicates how much your words would reflect the general flow/attitude or 'language' of the forum.

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In that spirit, a newbie could look at my avatar and title and think "Hmmm, Old hand, he must know something".

Where I agree that it's problematic to have those with little experience handing out advice but you don't see that much of it around here and when you do, someone is always quick to post, correcting any misinformation and adding that that "so and so" should probably go out and experience what they are talking about before providing advice to strangers.


Edited to add: Hey! I just made Pooh-Bah! Awesome!... surely, you can appreciate the irony

My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

[jumpinjackflash 0]

Tell the village I'm not missing, I'll be back in a day or two

Honestly, the thread/poll is just a debate, nothing more.

Too see what other people think. I've been around the net a few years, so I understand exactly what your saying.

However, this definitly is not your standard chat site.

Our sport is highly dangerous and discussions of it can be as well.



peace,



Jack

It's a gas, gas, gas...

[AndyMan 7]

Basing it on numbers of jumps would suck, because that will just cause everyone to fake their jump numbers.

I'd be happy to get rid of them.

I WOULD like to see something that identifies which people are actually knowledgable - ie, topical experts, and such.

_Am

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You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.