Lee03 0 #51 March 4, 2004 "You should move to New Mexico, where Al Gore only won by 300 votes. It would count here!" If I had been there and voted, it would have meant that "Goofy" would have won New Mexico by 299 votes instead of 300, so please explain to me how my vote would have counted of made a difference there? I'm sorry, but the last election caused me to be far more dubious and cynical of politicians that ever before! With the onset of all the computerized voting devices now coming online, the election results will be far more prone to tampering than ever before! A hacker, with the minimum hacking skills, "placed " where votes are tallyed could completely change the of an election! Why else would the democrooks be pushing computerized voting devices so enthusiastically?The vote will become even more irrelevant that it is now!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #52 March 4, 2004 "this election is going to be so close that it is going to be sick. And yeah every vote counts" Honestly crzjp20, in the end, unless there is a massive tampering with the results, I don't think that election will be that close at all. Kerry has too many skeletons in his closet that will be coming out to haunt him, plus, regardless of how much he will try to deny it, he is a far, far to the left Northern liberal democrook, and this has been prove, time and again that to be an Albatross around the neck of any politician running, voters reject someone of that ilk resoundlying! That is the last thing the American people want. That is why the extream left wing liberals have to rely on activist judges to attempt to advance their agenda, because it is soundly rejected by the voters!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #53 March 4, 2004 yea but i stilll think it is goig to be close. I dont look at polls espeecialy now since bush is just fring up the campaign machine. Anyways, i do think it iwll be close. The democrates in the country... the far left... is angry, i mean pissed off that bush is in office. They have not gotten over the 200o election and i think they will rally some serious votes. Who knows i can be totaly wrong, but i dont think i am. In the long run i think Bush will pull it out, and i hope he does, but i think that november night will be a long one, especially for a political science major like me who will not turn it off..... my room mates hate me..... Blue Skys-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #54 March 4, 2004 Any of us could be wrong. I don't pay attention to the polls either, they are too rigged to show what the various groups that commission them want them to show. The polls and the news media are busy point out what they want to be the case, that Kerry is going to run away with the election, but they do not take into account the fact that I heard on the redaio the other day. Kerry like to think his "atack mode" tactics are working, i.e. slam Bush at ever oppertunity and he gets big headlines and they proclaim that he is far abead of Bush. What they overlook is that, as you point out, Bush has not started yet. He has said very little and has been doing little campaining. He hasn't answered any of the nonsensical attacks that Kerry has uttered. It's awful easy to claim your abead when you opponent has yet begun to attack. Once Bush gets rolling, in full campaine mode, and turns his attention fully on Kerry, Kerry's media generated lead will suffer major hits. Your correct that the far left is pissed off at Bush, really angry, but then they have always been that way toward anything outside of their agenda. They can be pissed all they want to, because the are a true minority. The far left and their wacko, largely anti-American agenda have been throughly rejected by the American public, to a point that hey have to discise what they in real life are, extream left-wing liberal. If they show their true colors they know they will be rejected, again why the have to rely on activist judges to get any of their agenda foisted on the American public. IMO, the extream left, of which Kerry is a card carring member, will not be able to hide what Kerry truly is, and as more of the "real" Kerry comes out, the farther away from winning he will get. Your room mates hate you cause you won't turn it off...that's funny ROTFLMFAS! -------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #55 March 4, 2004 as of right now, I'd vote for Kerry. And I consider myself a republican... but i just dislike the way bush handled iraq. who knows though, there is a long, mud-slingling 9 months ahead of us. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #56 March 4, 2004 I thought the way Bush and Kerry handled Kerry's recent win of the Democratic Nomination highlights the stark contrast between the two. Kerry took it as an opportunity to bash Bush. Bush telephoned Kerry and acting as a gentleman, congratulated him on his win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #57 March 4, 2004 If I could vote in the US, I'd vote Kerry. Why : -seems openminded -he is closer to my conception of intelligence and culture (for example he travelled out of his country, he speaks foreign languages, married with a foreigner...) -he is a kitesurfer !scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #58 March 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteIf it were Edwards I would have chosen him. Between Bush and Kerry, however, I have to go with Bush. I don't vote blindly for candidates like some of the sheep you'll see on these boards. I look at the individual, not the party. Uh yah, I can't blindly vote for someone who was AWOL during their service. No thanks. Too many relatives served in the armed forces to put that joker back in office. And he had no exit strategy for Iraq. And he has set up an agency to continually subvert our civil liberties in the name of national protection when what they've done will NOT protect anything. Bush has alienated allies. He didn't just disagree with them he allienated them. Big difference. No, I will not follow the blind sheep like you may see on these forums (your words) that vote for Bush. Dunno if the claim that Bush was AWOL has been proven, but I do know that Kerry disavowed what he and his fellow servicemen did in Vietnam. Someone also mentioned that he suspiciously returned home well in advance of the length of a tour of duty -- how, why? Bush alienated allies? What, like fuckin' FRANCE? Sorry, but as "allies" they're fuckin' less than worthless, so I don't see the loss. France was one of the countries owed millions of dollars by Hussein's regime. Is it any surprise that they didn't want him taken down before he paid up?! As I recall, we've been bailing France's ass out for a long time now. As they say, they'd be speaking German over there if not for us saving their surrender-weary butts. They should show some fuckin' respect and gratitude, instead of jammin' it up our asses whenever they are able. I wouldn't vote for Kerry because he's a lying, duplicitous fuck who tells politically expedient lies and reverses himself whenever it's politically expedient. Sure, Bush probably does the same, but at least Bush is not avowed to want to take away the right to keep and bear arms the way Kerry and any other democrat candidate is, at heart. (I know they SAY they are "pro-gun ownership," but that's just another politically expedient lie.)-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paddyFrenchman 0 #59 March 4, 2004 Jesus, I'm even surprised people could consider bush... ok i'm not into politics and I have an outsider's eye on it since I live in ireland but christ the guy is a fucking wacko !! and stupid as well... just in case you guys haven't noticed I thhink the whole planet is laughing at him... I don't know if kerry is better but in all fairness you can't be serious when you're saying you are gonna put bush back on the seat for four years. Paddy. "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #60 March 4, 2004 "...there is a long, mud-slingling 9 months ahead of us." You have just made the truest statement in this entire thread!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #61 March 4, 2004 "I thought the way Bush and Kerry handled Kerry's recent win of the Democratic Nomination highlights the stark contrast between the two. Kerry took it as an opportunity to bash Bush. Bush telephoned Kerry and acting as a gentleman, congratulated him on his win." Excellent point. This contrast was/is drastic.-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #62 March 4, 2004 QuoteWhy else would the democrooks be pushing computerized voting devices so enthusiastically?The vote will become even more irrelevant that it is now! Hmm, I could have sworn it was some sort of bi-partisan Republican majority commission that recommended that... hmm, maybe I was wrong. For the bold, is that Limbaugh, or did you come up with it yourself? Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #63 March 4, 2004 QuoteDunno if the claim that Bush was AWOL has been proven, but I do know that Kerry disavowed what he and his fellow servicemen did in Vietnam. Someone also mentioned that he suspiciously returned home well in advance of the length of a tour of duty -- how, why? Well, there's a reason he came home early. Read this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.aspNever meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdwhalen 0 #64 March 4, 2004 Kerry"I have magic buttons ;)." skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #65 March 4, 2004 "For the bold, is that Limbaugh, or did you come up with it yourself?" No, I did not hear Limbaugh say this. First, it is not hard to figure, a hacker can do quite a bit to computers, this has been proven, as they have gained access to some of the highest, most secure systems in the world, plus, look at he damage that they have caused with viruses, worms, etc. Common sense that it would be fairly easy for a hacker to completely change election results if in a place where they could gain access to the counting process. For a hacker, it would be mear child's play. As I recall from the previous election, it wasn't the Republicans that were bitching about the "so called" out of date, inadaquit, voting machines, and had their candidate won, I'm guessing that there would have been zero complaints about the voting machines being out of date or inadaquit. Also, the Republicans have not been caught trying to manipulating elections, such as was thge cast in Chicago, in the 1960 election, or in the attempted manipulation of the Florida election this past election cycle, i.e. trying to get military absentee votes discounted, demanding endless recounts of votes, when every single time a recount was done, their candidate lost, and even after the it was finally decided once and for all, when the media got access and did their own recounts, (and they were certainly not supporting Bush) the results were the same, Bush won! Knowing that one, they were the ones demanding the new Computerized voting machines (doing away with the paper ballot), two, they perpensity for attempting to (and in some cases getting caught read handed making said attempts) manipulate the results of campaines/votes, and three, the fact that computerized ballots, like anything else is subject to hacker/manipulation, and would be easier to manipulate that a paper ballot would -- it is not far fetched to see that they would attempt to perform such acts! As for me coming up with said idea, no I heard it on a local radio program, not from Rush Limbaugh, however, it makes sense to me, enough that i consider it a valid sceniro!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #66 March 4, 2004 i love these plitical post on dz.com... i mean we argue and argue and then we all go to a boogie and drink and laugh together, but here, man it can get ugly so ill try to keep the gloves on here. Bush did not go awol. The officer that cam out and said he may have has alstizmers....he came out and siadh that bush did his time. As for kerrys servie.... well... as a military guy i dont like him. He was medal hngry thats all he wanted, you know that he got 2 purple hearts for minor wounds that are not usually concidered for the purple heart? Yeah he did do same brave things, but what did he do when he got home??? He supports the troops?? yeah right.... It amazes me how kerry thinks we should pull put of iraq, yet he came out and said that he would have sent troops into Hati even before they requwested our help.... can you see the irony???? And bush is not stupid. You know he graduated to of his class from an Ivey leage school? Has a masters in economics, and was one of the wealthyst business men in texas??? I would not call him a moron, a little rough around the edges, yeah, but not stupid. He is a good old boy with southern habits, and attatude... probly one of the reasons i like him so much. But if you are not from this area IE texas, louisiana, mississippi, i doubt that you see it the same way. I dont know i like him and i will vote for him.-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #67 March 4, 2004 Lee, you'll recognize that nowhere in my post did I ever say that I agreed with the new voting system that is about to be put in place. For one, the lack of a paper trail means it would be very difficult to sort out if any election ever was disputed. I was merely noting that you are blaming this move on the democrats whence it was not the Democrats in control. You just want to blame them for everything. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #68 March 4, 2004 QuoteYou know he graduated to of his class from an Ivey leage school? Has a masters in economics, and was one of the wealthyst business men in texas??? I must admit I'm having a little trouble understanding what your saying, maybe it's just me. So, Bush graduated second in his class from Yale? Was that what you meant... well I must admit, I'm impressed and if that's true, I'll stop calling him a dumbass. Masters in Economics? I was pretty sure it was a MBA... maybe I was wrong, I better go check, not that it really matters. He's one of the wealthiest businessmen in Texas hey? Well, that's something to be proud of accumulating all that wealth while driving the businesses he ran into massive debt and into the dirt. Oh, with the exception of the Texas Rangers whose stadium he funded out of the wallets of the taxpayers. They touted how he was a businessman, when you do business the way he does it's not something to be proud of. If they wanted a businessman president we'd be much better off with Jack Welch. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #69 March 4, 2004 im not sure if it was #2 but he was in the top percentage. Your right i got to wrong about the MDA it was a MDA his bachlors was in econ. My bad. Like i said before, he is not stupid, just a little rough around the edges...-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #70 March 4, 2004 I think there will be a lot of cross-party voting in this election. I think Bush is the lesser of the two evils, but I find it interesting talking to my friends how many of my dem friends think GWB is the lesser and how many of my repub friends think Kerry is the lesser. I have yet to find any strong supporters of either candidate among my group of friends. Brent ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #71 March 4, 2004 maybe we should all vote for Naider????? ... ok maybe not-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #72 March 4, 2004 >Dunno if the claim that Bush was AWOL has been proven, but I do >know that Kerry disavowed what he and his fellow servicemen did in > Vietnam. No he didn't. "Disavowed" means he claimed no knowledge of it. In contrast, he attended meetings where he and his fellow servicemen talked at length about what they did. >Someone also mentioned that he suspiciously returned home well in >advance of the length of a tour of duty -- how, why? Because he had been wounded three times, and the Navy allows soldiers who have been wounded three times to be reassigned. >Bush alienated allies? What, like fuckin' FRANCE? And like Germany, Russia, South Korea and Latin America. >I wouldn't vote for Kerry because he's a lying, duplicitous fuck who > tells politically expedient lies and reverses himself whenever it's > politically expedient. The states can do what they want to do." - Bush response to question on legalizing gay marriage, Feb 15, 2000 "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war." —George W. Bush, October 11, 2000 "Rebuilding Iraq will require a sustained commitment from many nations, including our own: we will remain in Iraq as long as necessary, and not a day more." —George W. Bush, February 26, 2003 Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. - George W. Bush, address to the U.S., March 17, 2003 Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons. - George W. Bush, speech to UN General Assembly, Sept. 12, 2002 You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons....They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on, But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them. - George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 31, 2003 > Sure, Bush probably does the same, but at least Bush is not avowed > to want to take away the right to keep and bear arms the way Kerry > and any other democrat candidate is, at heart. Bush's administration has violated the first, fourth, fifth and sixth amendment, but has left the second one pretty well alone. And that's the only right you really need. Right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #73 March 4, 2004 QuoteSure, Bush probably does the same, but at least Bush is not avowed to want to take away the right to keep and bear arms the way Kerry and any other democrat candidate is, at heart. This quote is the funniest thing, actually, if Dean had gotten the nod, the NRA probably would have endorsed him. Howie's a big gun owners rights kinda guy, and he likes universal health care, and environmentalism, and acceptance of others, and not going to war under false pretenses... Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #74 March 4, 2004 Didn't say that you agreed with the system to be implimented, if you took it that way, I'm sorry. At least we both agree that it is a bad system, for whatever reasons, it would seem. Again, the dems were the ones that bitched and continue to bitch about the voting machines used in the last election, and were demanding computerized voting machines. Amazing how they said not a single word about how inadaquate, out of date, etc the same machines were in the two elections prior to the last one. Please explain that one to me. I've heard no demands from the Republicians to go to computerized voting machines, in any previous election, whether they won or lost and I didn't hear any of them whining, as the Dems did in the past election hang/pregnant chads my ass, what a bunch of lame-assed bullshit! As to your assertion that I blame them for everything, well, let's look at why I might be inclined to do that. Who has controlled the government for the majority of the past 60 years? Hint, it wasn't the Republicans. Congress was overwhelmingly controlled by the Dems for the majority of that time, I can remember in 1994 when the huge talk was, this is the first time in X years that the Republicans have been in charge of Congress. The Dems have been in control for the majority of the time that I have been alive. Please point out to me what they have done that has made my life, or my situatuion better. Every single thing that the Dems have done, in some way or another been against me. Increasingly higher and burdensome taxes! That is a staple of the Democratic party! Does nothing but hurt me. When some any form of tax relief/cuts, which would help me, are proposed or brought up, they ALWAYS vote against them, and try to kill them. The Dems NEVER saw a tax increase that they didn't love or any form of tax relief or cut that they didn't HATE! None of their ideas, views ideals, programs are in any wat designed to help me or do anything positive fior me, to the contrary, everything they do is, by design, to hurt, hinder, or impead me. They have not ever, do not now, and will not ever have my best interest in mind! They do not represent me, they are against everything that I stand for. Their track record speaks for itself as to what they have done for me, to help me, and to represent me. That records equals nothing, and that is exactly what they have done, do now, and will do forever! I spent a twenty year career in the military, the members of which party voted against me, proposed ledgslation that either worked against or would have worked against me had it not been defeated? Which party's members always voted against me getting a payraise, or proposed ledgslation the would have prevented me getting a payraise. Which party wanted to freeze my pay, (fortunately, their effords were stopped on that one) while every other sector got pay raises? On who's watch did NAFTA/WTO, which resulted largely, in the loss of jobs in this country by sending said jobs to other countries? These job lost to outside the country, are jobs that people like myself would have been working today, instead of being unemployed, with little hope of finding work today, due to said jobs being "outsourced"! Hint to all of these, it wasn't the Republicans that did it! Do not get me wrong, the Republicans have not done allot to help either, but at least, at times they will propose something that will actually help, instead of hurt me, the same cannot be said for the Dems! I blame the Democrates for good reason, because it is they, through their policies, and their agenda for problems like my not being able to find a job, because of the lack of jobs lost due to their policies. It is they're policies, such as forced political correctness, social engineering and experimentation, that have cause the decay of the society of this country! They are the ones that have been in power and control for the majority of the time that I have been alive, and it was the policies that they authoued and pushed through, basically rammed down our throats, that have caused much of the trouble that myself, and the nation as a whole face today! Yes, you are correct, I do blame them, because they are largely at fault! Benny, I am not mad at you, please don't take what I say as directed against you, because it is not. The fact is, i am fed up with, and furious with government, and what it has done to my country, and to myself, and much of that fury is directed at the democratic party, because they were in control for so long and have, more than any other group, been responsible for what has happened and for my anger!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #75 March 4, 2004 Looks like we're not the only group split down the middle. AP Poll Finds Bush, Kerry Tied in Race Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
