JohnnyD 0 #76 March 2, 2004 QuoteI am a member of the LDS church. www.mormon.org Years ago while on a business trip to American Fork, Utah I picked up a book about Porter Rockwell and the history of the Mormon religion. I'm just curious if the religion teaches about this man in particular and its history in general. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #77 March 2, 2004 QuoteYou married yet? I'm 6 months away from being a "menace to society". 6 Months!?! Congratulations!!! What's the story, where are you getting married?! I'm not married, I'm working on it, bu I'm still pretty dang young. I don't think half the people at my DZ realize how young I am, I just let them assume I'm older and go with the flow.... (I'm at least old enough to Skydive..)=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #78 March 2, 2004 QuoteYears ago while on a business trip to American Fork, Utah I picked up a book about Porter Rockwell and the history of the Mormon religion. I'm just curious if the religion teaches about this man in particular and its history in general. We do, He was (unfortunatly) an important figure in early mormon history. He was not the greatest thing for us...=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #79 March 2, 2004 Nope, not getting married. Almost did, but UNBELIEVABLY glad that I didn't. But I'm 6 months away from being the big 2-5. Oops. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #80 March 2, 2004 Quote We do, He was (unfortunatly) an important figure in early mormon history. He was not the greatest thing for us... I find this religion particularly interesting in that it is not very old and its origins are well documented. It is facinating to me that people can be armed with all this knowledge and still be compelled to be followers. The book I read is called "Porter Rockwell - The Black Saint of Mormondom". I recommend it for all people of christian faiths because it is objectively written (by a mormon) and it is a great book about settling the west as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #81 March 2, 2004 I am roman catholic, that's how my parents made me... if I had to choose, I would be something approaching Bhuddist. By the way what does LDS mean ???scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #82 March 2, 2004 LDS= Latter-Day Saint, or Mormon. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #83 March 2, 2004 QuoteI find this religion particularly interesting in that it is not very old and its origins are well documented. It is facinating to me that people can be armed with all this knowledge and still be compelled to be followers. This is the problem with non-believers-- they don't understand that faith is not in your head, it's in your heart. You can just feel it. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #84 March 2, 2004 thanx. I only knew the Lyserg Säure Diethylamid...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #85 March 2, 2004 Quotethey don't understand that faith is not in your head, it's in your heart. You can just feel it. That's wrong according to Hebrews 11:1 and by the examples throughout the rest of Hebrews 11.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #86 March 2, 2004 QuoteThis is the problem with non-believers-- they don't understand that faith is not in your head, it's in your heart. You can just feel it. Kelly Reminds me of the time I ate Freebirds at 4am. The next day I could just feel it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #87 March 2, 2004 I'm admittedly not very good with scriptures, especially in the Bible. What does Hebrews say? It could be based on the minds of the leaders at the time, with little bearing on today's society or God's actual intentions. Many of the books of the Old Testament are that way. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #88 March 2, 2004 I worship the sun... Without it, there is no life. Humada humada humada... ooooooooooooohhh weeeeeeeeee ooooooooooohhh....Humada humada humada... Love that sun baby!!! Woohooo. <----Don't forget your shades. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #89 March 2, 2004 This is from Bible.com. Quote1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Basically, Faith isn't a feeling, is a resolve. This is further reinfoced later in the chapter. For instance: Quote3By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. In other words, by our resolve to believe, we know that God formed the universe at his command. The entire rest of the verse is a series of such things, but here's a good example: Quote32And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel and the prophets, 33who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies They didn't do it by "feeling" they did it by resolve to believe. If it was by "feeling" they would have failed. See what I'm saying? Also, this is not like you were trying to imply, that it has no bearing in today's world. If anything, I see Hebrews 11 as being on of the most important chapters for life today, since the beginning it has all come down to faith. Let me clarify why I'm doing this. I do not hold myself to a single church, infact, I do not go to church. I have serious problems with "religious people" who have no spiritiality. What I'm trying to get you to do is to question what you're told, spend time learning what the Bible says, compare it to what you're being told and pray about it. Be very careful to step out of the dogma of your church, though. It took me a long time to do that with the church that I grew up in, I had to spend a lot of time reading and questioning before I could see the falsehoods of the teachers. That's what I've done in my life and so I believe how I believe due to that.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #90 March 2, 2004 Ok, that's actually a very good argument, but I guess I need to clarify what I meant. Faith BEGINS in the heart, but we must be educated in order for it to grow. And you need resolve and a desire to believe in order to study and learn about your religion . . . So in that way it is in your head. But most people do not just wake up one day and think, "Ok, today I want to believe in God." And prayer for personal revelation as to the power of God is one of the cornerstones of my religion. We are NOT told to believe blindly. I am a convert, and I was URGED to pray for knowledge and to feel the spirit for myself, and not take anything secondhand. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoudDan 0 #91 March 2, 2004 That's a quarter of a century............. Coming soon to a bowl of Wheaties near you!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheenster303 0 #92 March 2, 2004 Haha! Kelly is a menace to society! You should be married by now. Maybe you should try out the singles ward.............I'm so funny I crack my head open! P.M.S. #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #93 March 2, 2004 Ok some one help If you are a Mormon you have to be married by 25? what happens if your not?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheenster303 0 #94 March 2, 2004 QuoteOk some one help If you are a Mormon you have to be married by 25? what happens if your not? It's just a joke. Most mormons get married in their early 20s. There is a joke that says "If you're 25 and still single, you're a menace to society." We don't have to be married by 25. Take me for instance. I'll probably be 60 before I get married. No one will care. Just a common joke.I'm so funny I crack my head open! P.M.S. #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #95 March 2, 2004 QuoteSo thats what an AK-47 sounds like when they shoot it at you.....I always wanted to know. Popcorn popping. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #96 March 2, 2004 QuoteI find this religion particularly interesting in that it is not very old and its origins are well documented. It is facinating to me that people can be armed with all this knowledge and still be compelled to be followers. The book I read is called "Porter Rockwell - The Black Saint of Mormondom". I recommend it for all people of christian faiths because it is objectively written (by a mormon) and it is a great book about settling the west as well I find your comment rather rude & condescending - I am a well versed individual - I did my 4 years of Semenary and now enrolled in Institute at my Local University - I teach a College Aged-Sunday School every other Sunday...... How does it amaze you that you can be armed with this knowledge and still be followers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints??! The "Bible Answerman" himself admitted we were a very well educated and versed people, and I have had to defend my beliefs far too many times to people who know nothing about our religion other than what has been fed to them by their Pastor/Reverend/Bishop/et cetera. I know my religion, and I am still learning everyday - I was not given a testimony from my parents, this was something I developed myself through my own reading and prayer..... I am not looking for a theological debate here, I just want you to know that I felt your comment was condescending and uncalled for....=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #97 March 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteSo thats what an AK-47 sounds like when they shoot it at you.....I always wanted to know. Popcorn popping. Seriously. If you're hit with the first shot, you'll likely never hear it. It's Mach 2+. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sheenster303 0 #98 March 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteSo thats what an AK-47 sounds like when they shoot it at you.....I always wanted to know. Popcorn popping. Seriously. On the apricot tree.........I'm so funny I crack my head open! P.M.S. #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #99 March 2, 2004 Easy there big guy. Just curious, not condescending. I know people in general tend to get real defensive real quick when it comes to certain things, so lets just let the sleeping dog lie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #100 March 2, 2004 We need to get back to what is really important - - - Who all is jumping this weekend!!!! (raises his hand!!)=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
