Probably a revisit to an old conversation but...

[millertime24 8]

So I was jumping this past weekend and wouldnt you know it on the very first jump of the weekend I got me some line twist. They were actually quite bad (well at least as bad as Ive ever had them). I tried doing the whole pull the risers apart and kick out thing but that would have taken forever and I would have landed way off. I remembered seeing a video where a guy has line twist and just twist his risers the other direction and BOOM problem solved. Well I chose to use this method and wouldnt you know it it works. Not only does it work, but it works exceedingly well and pretty quickly. So my question is why are we being taught to still pull and kick when there is quite obviously a far better method to dealing with this problem? I mean seriously this is too much like common sense.

Muff #5048

[AggieDave 6]

The twist the risers the opposite direction trick doesn't always work. Pulling the risers apart typically works and works well in most non-chop situations.

So then you're left with another example of how Hicks Law shows another method would negatively effect a student's decision process.

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[diablopilot 2]

Because "spread and kick" has been proven to work thousands of times.

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[millertime24 8]

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Because "spread and kick" has been proven to work thousands of times.

Ill bet thats because the twisting the risers hasn't been used thousands of times. Also, what could go wrong with this method?

Muff #5048

[bodypilot1 0]

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Also, what could go wrong with this method?

Possible unstowing a toggle while twisting.

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[millertime24 8]

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Also, what could go wrong with this method?

Possible unstowing a toggle while twisting.

Is there any documented evidence of this ever happening?

Muff #5048

[Auryn 0]

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Because "spread and kick" has been proven to work thousands of times.

Ill bet thats because the twisting the risers hasn't been used thousands of times. Also, what could go wrong with this method?

a student could then, in this process of getting creative, deviate further from their training and neglect other things like alitude and situational awareness.

[millertime24 8]

I fail to see how neglecting altitude will get you out of line twist. Unless, of course, your talking about neglecting altitude to the point of not pulling in which case I guess that means you wouldnt have line twist. I'm not talking about a STUDENT deviating from the plan, but rather an instructor teaching FJC a little differently then what the holy SIM bible tells us. Thats all.

Muff #5048

[Danger 0]

Because you teach the student one method not multiple ways to do the same thing. The student is being overloaded for the most part in taking a first jump course. When you teach getting out of line twists you provide a simple method for getting out of them. Giving them other options will only confuse them. Imagine teaching the student 2 different emergency procedures. One hand per handle vs two hands per handle. They may spend the rest of their lives deciding which version to use.

[millertime24 8]

Alright I see what you guys are getting at. I guess as an AFFI you have to teach the pull and kick method and intruducing another way could confuse the hell out of some people. Is there like a FJC curriculum when it comes to the teaching?

Muff #5048

[JohnMitchell 16]

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Is there like a FJC curriculum when it comes to the teaching?

Yes, and it varies from DZ to DZ. It also changes over time. If there is a new method proven superior to the old way of doing things, I'm not opposed to changing my curriculum. But you do want to be standard with the rest of the staff.

[diablopilot 2]

If the riser twisting method works for you then that's great. Once someone is off student status it's a great time for them to take a healthy interest in learning "better" ways to do things.

While they are a student, they are overwhelmed, so the simplest methods, shown to work time after time are best.

This is why we don't teach AFF students to land their mains on rear risers, or fly in a Mantis body position. The KISS theory works.

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[Auryn 0]

There are several ways to deal with line twists that have been posted on this board.. there's room for debate among all of them, but I've personally used or seen most of them work. From your twisting method, to pulling down on the most tense side to get the canopy to even out, to just pulling in your arms toward your body to increase the centrifical force re: the canopy (this was on a velo 96 in a dive... when he brought his arms in for handles, the lines untwisted)

However, KISS is the best way. Like the way I was taught, which I don't even really see any more "you cutaway below 1000 feet you die. Got it?" this was in the days of the good ol FXC.

Bryan

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If the riser twisting method works for you then that's great. Once someone is off student status it's a great time for them to take a healthy interest in learning "better" ways to do things.

While they are a student, they are overwhelmed, so the simplest methods, shown to work time after time are best.

This is why we don't teach AFF students to land their mains on rear risers, or fly in a Mantis body position. The KISS theory works.

[JohanW 0]

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Because "spread and kick" has been proven to work thousands of times.

Ill bet thats because the twisting the risers hasn't been used thousands of times. Also, what could go wrong with this method?

You're inducing twists in the risers, and your hand(s) might get stuck in there.

Yes yes, yours won't. And you can always take off the gloves. But not every first jump student wears gloves and is not overloaded enough already not to let his hands get caught.

Johan.
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