mjosparky 4 #201 February 26, 2004 QuoteRon now you're just being inflamatory. Sure, he gets more direct information than I do. So yes, maybe he is more prepared to make the decisions than I am. I suppose even a monkey, well maybe not a monkey, but then again, the monkey would get all those briefings. You can throw all the information you want at a fool, that doesn't mean he can synthesize the info and make inferential decisions on it. Anyway, GWB has been in politics longer than you've been alive? Gee, here I was thinking he was driving oil companies into the ground till about the mid-80s, was I misled? Wow, if he's been in politics longer than you've been alive Ron, you must be pretty young, can you buy beer yet? He may be inflammatory, so what, Ron is always inflammatory. I have disagreed with him on many subject in the past. But is has never been because he lacked facts about or an understanding of the subject. When someone who is flipping burgers for a living calls the President of the United States a fool you can bet he lacks facts about or an understanding of life in the real world. You need to get out and and get in touch with reality. jmo He is also old enogh to have served 3 years in the Army, so there is a good chance he would be able to by you a beer.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #202 February 26, 2004 QuoteHow could he not remember giving an award to a future senator? Well, seeing as undeserved medals were being handed out right and left, and medals overall were in high demand [there was a war going on] it's fairly easy for an Admiral not to know who in god's name he signed off for a medal. ps - did he know Kerry was a future senator? I bet most of Eisenhower's trainers and first few COs couldn't have told you he was under their command if you asked them in 1950. And he was President.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #203 February 26, 2004 Listen man, I know we disagree on the nature and state of political affairs, so I think we should just agree to disagree. Besides, you seem to be unable to compose a logical response to anything I write and would rather attempt to denigrate my current job. Not that I even know or care what you do. It doesn't matter. I know that what I do takes more thought and effort than you put into any of the tripe you go spouting around here. Anyway, why don't you do me a huge favor and forget I ever existed? I'll do the same for you. Benny Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #204 February 26, 2004 well, there goes my thread. I wonder if they're still pulling out the red hot fork for ibtl posts. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #205 February 26, 2004 Quotewell, there goes my thread. I wonder if they're still pulling out the red hot fork for ibtl posts. Sorry Kennedy, I didn't want to, really I didn't. Hey, is the weather as shitty down there as it is up here? Once again, sorry about the thread. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #206 February 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteHow could he not remember giving an award to a future senator? Well, seeing as undeserved medals were being handed out right and left, and medals overall were in high demand [there was a war going on] it's fairly easy for an Admiral not to know who in god's name he signed off for a medal. ps - did he know Kerry was a future senator? I bet most of Eisenhower's trainers and first few COs couldn't have told you he was under their command if you asked them in 1950. And he was President. My answer was a poke at Kallend. He insists that it isn't possible for Bush's fellow National Guardsmen to forget meeting him. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #207 February 26, 2004 Quotewell, there goes my thread. I wonder if they're still pulling out the red hot fork for ibtl posts. Hey, I was just talking politics. I was even on good behavior (for me). Sorry if you took me asking young Benny about his value meals seemed out of line. I just wanted to point out how its easy to think you have more info..But in truth I'd trust the guy with the hookups to have better knowledge than the press. And come on..The Value meal thing was funny. Just to put this thread back on track, and off of Bush.. Kerry is a twit."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #208 February 26, 2004 Biting cynical humor is lost completely on the extremely self-serious. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #209 February 26, 2004 QuoteBiting cynical humor is lost completely on the extremely self-serious. Come on...Be honest it was funny right? I was proud of it...I'd hate to think I was off."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #210 February 26, 2004 I laughed at the value meal bit“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #211 February 26, 2004 I must have missed the "in reply to" line. My bad. But hey, it never hurts to have information you already know confirmed. Right? C'mon, tell me I'm right...? Guys? Just kidding. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #212 February 26, 2004 QuoteSorry if you took me asking young Benny about his value meals seemed out of line. I just wanted to point out how its easy to think you have more info..But in truth I'd trust the guy with the hookups to have better knowledge than the press. The question wasn't out of line. I was just worried if it got any more personal, the thread was going to go bye-bye. Yes, it was funny. And yes, Kerry is a twit.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #213 February 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteBiting cynical humor is lost completely on the extremely self-serious. Come on...Be honest it was funny right? I was proud of it...I'd hate to think I was off. Oh, you're 'off', but for completely different reasons. I thought the whole bit had a funny bite to it. But I'm kind of sadistic. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #214 February 26, 2004 Quote Also the amazing thing about this country is you are INNOCENT till PROVEN guilty..Not like it is in Jolly old England were you have to prove you didn't do it...Here folks have to prove you did the bad thing. . 1. Not if the President thinks you are a terrorist, in which case you can be imprisoned indefinitely without access to a lawyer. 2. US law is based on English common law, with all the stuff about habeas corpus etc. thrown in too. You are thinking of the Code Napoleon, which of course, never applied in the UK thanks to Wellington, Nelson and others.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #215 February 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteOk...they're both liars...they're both politicians. Fair enough? Yep. Fair for me. QuoteThey both suck, I wish there were a better, viable candidate As do I. Quotebut I'll take ANYONE over Bush for many many reasons which I've stated many many times. And I'll take Bush over Kerry. I just don't trust Kerry to keep his word in any matter. Neither do I, but we KNOW FOR SURE that Bush has broken his word to the people.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #216 February 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow could he not remember giving an award to a future senator? Well, seeing as undeserved medals were being handed out right and left, and medals overall were in high demand [there was a war going on] it's fairly easy for an Admiral not to know who in god's name he signed off for a medal. ps - did he know Kerry was a future senator? I bet most of Eisenhower's trainers and first few COs couldn't have told you he was under their command if you asked them in 1950. And he was President. My answer was a poke at Kallend. He insists that it isn't possible for Bush's fellow National Guardsmen to forget meeting him. Knowing someone is a future Senator is rather more difficult than knowing someone is the son of a prominent politician with enough clout to jump him over the queue to get into the NG.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #217 February 26, 2004 I preferred your old avatar.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #218 February 26, 2004 QuoteNeither do I, but we KNOW FOR SURE that Bush has broken his word to the people Any Kerry changes his mind on how he thinks as soon as the wind shifts."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #219 February 26, 2004 Yeah? Well I'm a PoohBah now, and I don't have to give a shit what you think! I thought it was time for a change.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #220 February 26, 2004 QuoteKnowing someone is a future Senator is rather more difficult than knowing someone is the son of a prominent politician with enough clout to jump him over the queue to get into the NG. So now it's elevated to draft dodging? This gets better and better.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #221 February 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteKnowing someone is a future Senator is rather more difficult than knowing someone is the son of a prominent politician with enough clout to jump him over the queue to get into the NG. So now it's elevated to draft dodging? This gets better and better. Waddya mean "now". That has been known all along.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #222 February 26, 2004 That's news to me; please share with the class.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #223 February 26, 2004 QuoteQuote Also the amazing thing about this country is you are INNOCENT till PROVEN guilty..Not like it is in Jolly old England were you have to prove you didn't do it...Here folks have to prove you did the bad thing. . 1. Not if the President thinks you are a terrorist, in which case you can be imprisoned indefinitely without access to a lawyer. 2. US law is based on English common law, with all the stuff about habeas corpus etc. thrown in too. You are thinking of the Code Napoleon, which of course, never applied in the UK thanks to Wellington, Nelson and others. 3. Not if someone submits a pro se affidavit claiming that you commited domestic violence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,542 #224 February 26, 2004 We're talking about 1968 or so. There wasn't anything glamorous or noble about Vietnam. That doesn't take anything away from the men and women who served their country there, but it also is a statement of fact. They weren't defending the US; they were carrying out the orders of the commander in chief. Since there was a draft, the options for men who didn't agree with those orders was to get hurt, leave, hope, or join the National Guard. Joining the National Guard was by no means a chickenshit alternative, but it did reduce your chances of going to Vietnam, where the rules were amorphos or weird, the diseases ugly or weird, and the chance of coming back changed in a negative way pretty good. This was not escaping serving your country, and even less was it escaping defending it. My HS class was one of the first couple with no serious threat of draft, so I do have some memory of the time, and it was much worse in the late 60's. I don't give a flying fuck what he did during the war, as long as he doesn't try to make it sound like something it wasn't. There's nothing righteous or glorious about war; it might be necessary, but it's about the worst way to solve problems. And Vietnam was not one that felt the same as WW2 or Korea. Guys went expecting the same rules to be followed both by the enemy and by the people at home, and it didn't happen. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #225 February 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteInteresting double standard there Ron. A whole bunch of people slam a guy who won a Silver Star and a Bronze Star in combat, questioning what he did and the way he did it, and we don't hear a peep from you. Actually I have said several times Kerry IS a war hero. I slam the fact that he claims to have seen alll these bad things, but never STOPPED them from happening. If he was an officer he had a DUTY to stop them. And report them...Why is it the first time we hear of it is at Winter Soldier? I also slam that he changes sides rather often. For the record...Kerry IS a war hero in my eyes. I didn't see you complain about these posts, just about mine: www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=943982#943982 and www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=943101#943101... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
