Kennedy 0 #101 February 24, 2004 QuoteActually, what I said was I'd like to see where he's going around saying "I'm a war hero" since I've seen so many people on here quote him as saying that. No one said he actually called himself, just that he was campaigning as one. - which you agreed to higher on this page. Quote***He waives the whole "Im a war hero" thing around Now, as Bill asked, where's the example of this. I haven't heard anyone call him a war hero except Bush supporters who only say it followed by "but..." and so on. Kerry and Bush both make me loose sleep at night, but Kerry more.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary350 0 #102 February 24, 2004 QuoteSome claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One person recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember. It was started by terrorists on 9/11. Let's look at the "worst" president and the mismanagement claims. Franklin D. Roosevelt led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us... Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. Harry S. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Lyndon B. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. William J. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. Clinton went to war in Somalia without UN or French consent. Somalia never attacked us. He bombed an aspirin factory without UN or French consent. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaeda, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We have lost 500 soldiers, an average of 250 a year. George W. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home. I, for one, prefer it that way. Wow - did you put a lot of effort into this? Was it hard to get the wording just right, let alone the complex thoughts behind it? plagiarism n 1: a piece of writing that has been copied from someone else and is presented as being your own work Geez - if you're going to copy something from a GOP website and not credit it, in effect stealing it and passing it off as your own thoughts, shouldn't you at least find something that isn't complete drivel? But then again, I guess you aren't called dittoheads for nothing. . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #103 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteIsn't that quaint of the liberal democrats? The same people that spit upon Vietnam Vets as they returned home, and branded them baby killers, now suddenly think that it's a wonderful thing that one of their own is a Vietnam Vet. I was 2 years old...wasn't spitting on anyone. I didn't say you were. But you were probably drooling on yourself at that age. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #104 February 24, 2004 Kev, I don't think he was referring to you. You've already said you don't care that he's a vet, so you probably don't fall into "think that it's a wonderful thing that one of their own is a Vietnam Vet."witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #105 February 24, 2004 That whole artical was a make Kerry sound good piece....And it did. I do find it funny that back in the day the dems were spitting on guys like him..and he was one of the guys spitting. Now he is a war hero with lines that could have been written for Rambo. And its not even that part that gets me...Its how he is on Both sides of EVERYTHING. Up untill 9/11 he didn't want to put terroists to death....After 9/11 he does...And he claims 9/11 had nothing to do with it. He votes whatever way is popular. THATS my issue with him. He seems to be a good guy..But I can't trust a guy that just votes with the popular polls."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #106 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou should stop believing those right wing web sites. You should stop presuming to know where my information came from, jumping to conclusions based upon those presumptions, and then trying to denigrate my reputation based upon your false assumptions. I happen to have seen that stuff you quoted without attribution (aka plagiarism) before.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #107 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethe number of our troops in Afghanistan has been decreasing. At this rate, there never WILL be an end date. Eat your words: "The Pentagon is moving elements of a supersecret commando unit from Iraq to the Afghanistan theater to step up the hunt for Osama bin Laden..." Full Story Can't be that supersecret now, can it? Sounds more like the PR machine in action. The degree of secrecy is not the point. But we're used to you trying to deflect things from the true point... And that true point was the irony of someone claiming that the effort in Afghanistan was being reduced, on the same day in which it was announced that it was being increased. As for the "PR machine" comment; are you claiming that this story is a lie, and that these troops really aren't being transferred to Afghanistan? I'm saying that giving such publicity to a "supersecret" outfit's operation is not the way I'd keep a secret. But then I'm not up for re-election.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #108 February 24, 2004 QuoteI happen to have seen that stuff you quoted without attribution (aka plagiarism) before. This is not a damn term paper...If it is plagarized does not mean its false.... So give him an "F" for plagarism, and an "A" for content"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #109 February 24, 2004 Quote kerry voted FOR this resolution, knowing full well how it was written. Either he was too stupid to read the bill before voting for it, or he agreed with what it said. Could be that he just didn't know that the intelligence being presented by the administration was wrong, and possibly was fabricated at the administration's request: www.laweekly.com/ink/04/13/news-cooper.php... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #110 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteI happen to have seen that stuff you quoted without attribution (aka plagiarism) before. This is not a damn term paper...If it is plagarized does not mean its false.... So give him an "F" for plagarism, and an "A" for content Where I teach, plagiarism is an "F" regardless, and a trip to see the dean of students.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #111 February 24, 2004 QuoteThat whole artical was a make Kerry sound good piece....And it did. Well, I asked for an example, and that's the one that you came up with and asked for my comment. Now you're going to cast dispersion on the veracity of your own evidence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #112 February 24, 2004 QuoteCould be that he just didn't know that the intelligence being presented by the administration was wrong, and possibly was fabricated at the administration's request Oh I see...Its OK for Kerry to get bad intel and make a bad choice..But not for Bush. And still John, this is not a term paper..plagarized or not...It does not make it untrue."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #113 February 24, 2004 I think his point was this part: and possibly was fabricated at the administration's request Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #114 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou should stop believing those right wing web sites. You should stop presuming to know where my information came from, jumping to conclusions based upon those presumptions, and then trying to denigrate my reputation based upon your false assumptions. I happen to have seen that stuff you quoted without attribution (aka plagiarism) before. I could talk about the stuff you post from "left wing" web sites. But I don't, because that's bullshit. We should judge things based upon what is said, not based upon who said it. Facts and logic count. Who said something doesn't. A college professor should know that. But you're so hell-bent on trying to counter those who disagree with you, that you throw out all that rational intellectual stuff, and go straight for the bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #115 February 24, 2004 QuoteWell, I asked for an example, and that's the one that you came up with and asked for my comment. Now you're going to cast dispersion on the veracity of your own evidence? You asked for an example of him playing the war hero...And I produced a piece that was very PRO Kerry, where he did a very dramatic reading from Rambo 14. In this piece he plays the reluctant war hero.....A hero that at one time spit on other heros. So for you to claim that he was pushed into it is just silly....I would never say Bush was pushed into that Carrier landing....Im sure he wanted to do it...Hell, I would. Is it so hard to admit that he is playing the war hero card? Like I said I don't have an issue with that...He is a war hero...I only have issue with him doing it after he spit on all the other heros. There are two sides to every subject..and Kerry is on both of them. Hell who would not want to vote for a guy that agrees with you on everything you think is rigt...The problem is he agrees with EVERYONES opinion....Even if it is the oposite of his last sentance."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #116 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteCould be that he just didn't know that the intelligence being presented by the administration was wrong, and possibly was fabricated at the administration's request Oh I see...Its OK for Kerry to get bad intel and make a bad choice..But not for Bush. And still John, this is not a term paper..plagarized or not...It does not make it untrue. The part about Roosevelt and Germany was untrue. There's no suggestion that Kerry fabricated intelligence for Bush. A recently retired Lieutenant Colonel from the Pentagon suggests that the converse may well be true.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #117 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou should stop believing those right wing web sites. You should stop presuming to know where my information came from, jumping to conclusions based upon those presumptions, and then trying to denigrate my reputation based upon your false assumptions. I happen to have seen that stuff you quoted without attribution (aka plagiarism) before. I could talk about the stuff you post from "left wing" web sites. But I don't, because that's bullshit. We should judge things based upon what is said, not based upon who said it. Facts and logic count. Who said something doesn't. A college professor should know that. Quote This college professor knows who declared war on whom in December 1941. Apparently you don't.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #118 February 24, 2004 QuoteIs it so hard to admit that he is playing the war hero card? It's not hard to admit it at all. I just haven't heard him once say anything about being a war hero. I asked for anyone to show me where he did, and then you posted a report. In that report, that you posted, it said that he reluctantly talked about being in the war after having avoided the subject in previous interviews. Are you following me? Let me break it down for you. -You said he was playing the war hero card -I said I hadn't seen him do that, do you have any evidence -You presented evidence of him trying to play down his veteran status, and only discussing it after being pressured into it. -Now you're asking me to admit that he did what I said I haven't seen him do, and which you posted evidence to the contrary. -Now you're claiming that he spit on war heros. I'd like to see evidence of that as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #119 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteFranklin D. Roosevelt led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us... Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. This college professor knows who declared war on whom in December 1941. Apparently you don't. It says FDR led us into war. It says Germany never attacked us. It does not say Germany didn't declare war on us before out declaration of war.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #120 February 24, 2004 Personally, I would perceive a declaration of war as an attack. But that's just me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,106 #121 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteFranklin D. Roosevelt led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us... Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. This college professor knows who declared war on whom in December 1941. Apparently you don't. It says FDR led us into war. It says Germany never attacked us. It does not say Germany didn't declare war on us before out declaration of war. Weasel wording. Japan declared war on the USA. Germany declared war on the USA. Just the facts.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #122 February 24, 2004 QuotePersonally, I would perceive a declaration of war as an attack. But that's just me. If you qualify that as an attack, what do you think of shipping war materiel to the enemy? Propagandizing for the enemy? Refusal of trade offers while supplying the enemy? Demanding safe passage of all ships, even those carry supplies to the enemy? Are those not attacks in the sense you are talking about? If they are, then we still attacked Germany first.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #123 February 24, 2004 Now you're going to complain that I'm being specific with sematics? That's a good one. The fact remains; the statement is not false.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #124 February 24, 2004 QuoteThe part about Roosevelt and Germany was untrue. The War Resolution You're calling it "untrue" based upon semantics. You created the strawman argument about who did it first. But that was not the issue. The fact is, Roosevelt called for war against Germany, and Congress passed a resolution declaring it. The implication you're trying to suggest that the U.S. fought WWII against Germany without ever being officially "at war", is ludicrous. It just shows the ridiculous lengths to which you will go to to disagree with people. These tactics, revealed as they are here, only prove to reduce your own credibility. And how ironic that you are talking about the "weasel wording" of others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,106 #125 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuotePersonally, I would perceive a declaration of war as an attack. But that's just me. If you qualify that as an attack, what do you think of shipping war materiel to the enemy? Propagandizing for the enemy? Refusal of trade offers while supplying the enemy? Demanding safe passage of all ships, even those carry supplies to the enemy? Are those not attacks in the sense you are talking about? If they are, then we still attacked Germany first. What you you think of Prescott Bush's trading with the Nazis? 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PhillyKev 0 #118 February 24, 2004 QuoteIs it so hard to admit that he is playing the war hero card? It's not hard to admit it at all. I just haven't heard him once say anything about being a war hero. I asked for anyone to show me where he did, and then you posted a report. In that report, that you posted, it said that he reluctantly talked about being in the war after having avoided the subject in previous interviews. Are you following me? Let me break it down for you. -You said he was playing the war hero card -I said I hadn't seen him do that, do you have any evidence -You presented evidence of him trying to play down his veteran status, and only discussing it after being pressured into it. -Now you're asking me to admit that he did what I said I haven't seen him do, and which you posted evidence to the contrary. -Now you're claiming that he spit on war heros. I'd like to see evidence of that as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #119 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteFranklin D. Roosevelt led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us... Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. This college professor knows who declared war on whom in December 1941. Apparently you don't. It says FDR led us into war. It says Germany never attacked us. It does not say Germany didn't declare war on us before out declaration of war.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #120 February 24, 2004 Personally, I would perceive a declaration of war as an attack. But that's just me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #121 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteFranklin D. Roosevelt led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us... Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. This college professor knows who declared war on whom in December 1941. Apparently you don't. It says FDR led us into war. It says Germany never attacked us. It does not say Germany didn't declare war on us before out declaration of war. Weasel wording. Japan declared war on the USA. Germany declared war on the USA. Just the facts.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #122 February 24, 2004 QuotePersonally, I would perceive a declaration of war as an attack. But that's just me. If you qualify that as an attack, what do you think of shipping war materiel to the enemy? Propagandizing for the enemy? Refusal of trade offers while supplying the enemy? Demanding safe passage of all ships, even those carry supplies to the enemy? Are those not attacks in the sense you are talking about? If they are, then we still attacked Germany first.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #123 February 24, 2004 Now you're going to complain that I'm being specific with sematics? That's a good one. The fact remains; the statement is not false.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #124 February 24, 2004 QuoteThe part about Roosevelt and Germany was untrue. The War Resolution You're calling it "untrue" based upon semantics. You created the strawman argument about who did it first. But that was not the issue. The fact is, Roosevelt called for war against Germany, and Congress passed a resolution declaring it. The implication you're trying to suggest that the U.S. fought WWII against Germany without ever being officially "at war", is ludicrous. It just shows the ridiculous lengths to which you will go to to disagree with people. These tactics, revealed as they are here, only prove to reduce your own credibility. And how ironic that you are talking about the "weasel wording" of others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #125 February 24, 2004 QuoteQuotePersonally, I would perceive a declaration of war as an attack. But that's just me. If you qualify that as an attack, what do you think of shipping war materiel to the enemy? Propagandizing for the enemy? Refusal of trade offers while supplying the enemy? Demanding safe passage of all ships, even those carry supplies to the enemy? Are those not attacks in the sense you are talking about? If they are, then we still attacked Germany first. What you you think of Prescott Bush's trading with the Nazis? Does that constitute an attack on Britain? "The business of America is business"... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
