What those that servered with Kerry think of him.

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Can't help but to agree with you. Those who haven't or don't often are making the most noise......... Thank you for your service and stay safe.

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Ya got Proof he lied?
Or you just like spreading RUMORS?

I posted quite a few things that he promised, and then did the opposite. Of course, you justified the reason for him doing what he did, but he DID lie. He said one thing, did the other, regardless of whether what he ultimately did was the right thing or not.

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Apparently there is record of his having had a dental examination and drawing pay while defending Alabama from the VC.

I JUST got out two years ago....I can produce about as much. And some medals...Can I be a hero too?

And you just like to keep slamming Americas National Guard and Reserve soliders..Again I ask you..What have you done for America, or your Queen?

You are old enough to have served in several conflicts.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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I posted quite a few things that he promised, and then did the opposite

Some of them WERE NOT the opposite.

Some he tried and got rulled against by a Clinton appointed judge.

Some were. I would rather have a guy do the RIGHT thing than just "keep a promise". The Candian Lumber issue is a good example. It was not FAIR so it was stopped.

But I guess you would rather have more Americans on welfare...It just strengtens the Democratic party ya know.

I can't call Kerry a lair since he is on BOTH SIDES of everthing

I can however call him two faced.

Medal hungry. Abandoning his troops after beaching his boat to chase a single WOUNDED solider. He wanted to be like JFK so bad he risked not only his own life, but his Mens lives. And how about them purple harts???? Wow 3 in 4 mths...He must have sucked as a solider.

And untrustworthy...If he saw those things he talked about in winter solider...As an OFFICER he had a DUTY to report it. And he didn't...So either he lied, or has no honor. You pick which one

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Some (actions) were (the opposite of what he promised). I would rather have a guy do the RIGHT thing than just "keep a promise".

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Ron: Ya got Proof he lied?

Yeah....your testimony....

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Yeah....your testimony....

you have to do better than that...If you don't listen to anything else I say why listen to that?

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Yeah....your testimony....

you have to do better than that...If you don't listen to anything else I say why listen to that?

Seems like you're on both sides of the issue here, Ron.

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Seems like you're on both sides of the issue here, Ron.

Yeah, and I have medals....Can I be Kerry's running mate?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Seems like you're on both sides of the issue here, Ron.

Yeah, and I have medals....Can I be Kerry's running mate?

Ron,
The plate they put in your head doesn't count as a medal.

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

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Ron,
The plate they put in your head doesn't count as a medal.

WHAT?!?!?!

That is so unfair. But it is a cool place to stick refrigerator magnets

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[mjosparky 4]

Wow, never thought of that, now I want a plate.

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

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Wow, never thought of that, now I want a plate

And if I sew a magnet into my hats I don't lose them on windy days.

Tons of fun and handy uses.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Ron,
The plate they put in your head doesn't count as a medal.

WHAT?!?!?!

That is so unfair. But it is a cool place to stick refrigerator magnets

Seriously, really? Can you do that? That's cool!!! I want one!!!

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Funny that it's so hard to find any person that actually remembers a rich kid from so prominent a family.

If someone asked me to prove that I served in the Marines from 1973-1978 I'd have a hard time proving that, and finding old buddies, also. It was a long time ago. Paper records usually don't hang around that long. People move away. People die. Memories fade. None of that means it didn't happen.

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When will Kerry release those medical records?

Beats me, I think he should release the records. However, I don't think second guessing someone's behavior in the heat of combat after the event is very appropriate. If all combat were overanalyzed this way I think a lot of heroes would come out looking foolhardy.

So in summary:

Despite the records Bush has released, you still think he was absent from the National Guard.

And despite the fact that Kerry hasn't proved anything by releasing records, you accept his statements at face value.

Don't look now, but your bias and double standard is showing.

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>What if anything has all this verbiage have to do with Kerry being a piece of shit?

Same thing Clinton has to do with Bush lying in office, I suppose. Conservatives bring up Clinton within seconds of anyone mentioning Bush's "mistruths" so there must be something to it.

Bill,
If you go back and check my posts you will find I make no reference to Bush or Clinton. On an earlier thread I stated that Clinton lied under oath, that was not a judgment of the man just the truth. I have no feelings, for or against, Bush so I don't bring him up. I started this thread to discuss Kerry's, in my opinion, deplorable behavior. For some reason you insist on inserting posts about "Bush's mistruths and conservatives bring up Clinton.
Do you have anything to contribute on Kerry's behavior, good, bad but at least on subject.

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[billvon 3,075]

>Ya got Proof he lied?

"The states can do what they want to do."
- Response to question on legalizing gay marriage, Feb 15, 2000

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war."

—George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

"Rebuilding Iraq will require a sustained commitment from many nations, including our own: we will remain in Iraq as long as necessary, and not a day more."

—George W. Bush, February 26, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

- George W. Bush, address to the U.S., March 17, 2003

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

- George W. Bush, speech to UN General Assembly, Sept. 12, 2002

You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons....They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on, But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them.

- George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 31, 2003

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"The states can do what they want to do."
- Response to question on legalizing gay marriage, Feb 15, 2000

And they still can. The states can still create legal bindings for same sex couples if they like. He is proposing that it can't be called a "marrage" The proposal is defining a word...I think its stupid, but then again most of the nation does not think gays should be allowed to be "Married".

BTW Kerry opposes gay marrage as well.

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Indeed, of the nine candidates running for the Democratic nomination, six say they do not support gay marriage -- Lieberman, Kerry, Gephardt, retired Gen. Wesley Clark of Arkansas, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina and the front-runner, former Gov. Howard Dean of Vermont.

"While I continue to oppose gay marriage, I believe today's decision calls on the Massachusetts state legislature to take action to ensure equal protection for gay couples," said Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts in his response.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/19/elec04.prez.dems.gay.marriage/

And thats the same thing Bush is saying.

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"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war."

—George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

"Rebuilding Iraq will require a sustained commitment from many nations, including our own: we will remain in Iraq as long as necessary, and not a day more."

—George W. Bush, February 26, 2003

Ya got me..I guess we should just pack up and leave IRAQ like it is..Of course then we will have to go back in a few years.

Oh, but we DID fight and win a war.

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Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

- George W. Bush, address to the U.S., March 17, 2003

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

- George W. Bush, speech to UN General Assembly, Sept. 12, 2002

You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons....They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on, But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them.

- George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 31, 2003

On this all you have shown is he THOUGHT there were WMD's...You still have shown no PROOF he KNEW there were none.

But that doe snot keep you from lying and saying he lied.

Has he lied? Yep I am sure he has.

Did he lie about WMD's in IRAQ..You can't prove he did.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Funny that it's so hard to find any person that actually remembers a rich kid from so prominent a family.

If someone asked me to prove that I served in the Marines from 1973-1978 I'd have a hard time proving that, and finding old buddies, also. It was a long time ago. Paper records usually don't hang around that long. People move away. People die. Memories fade. None of that means it didn't happen.

Are you a rich kid from a prominent family?

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When will Kerry release those medical records?

Beats me, I think he should release the records. However, I don't think second guessing someone's behavior in the heat of combat after the event is very appropriate. If all combat were overanalyzed this way I think a lot of heroes would come out looking foolhardy.

So in summary:

Despite the records Bush has released, you still think he was absent from the National Guard.

And despite the fact that Kerry hasn't proved anything by releasing records, you accept his statements at face value.

Don't look now, but your bias and double standard is showing.

Apparently Kerry WAS awarded three purple hearts, a silver star and a bronze star. Someone in authority seemed to think he was actually there and doing something important to the war effort. Now, if you want to second guess those awards, does that mean all other silver star recipients need to be re-examined too, or is it just Kerry that you think got them under false pretenses?

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"The states can do what they want to do."
- Response to question on legalizing gay marriage, Feb 15, 2000

And they still can. The states can still create legal bindings for same sex couples if they like. He is proposing that it can't be called a "marrage" The proposal is defining a word...I think its stupid, but then again most of the nation does not think gays should be allowed to be "Married".

BTW Kerry opposes gay marrage as well.

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Indeed, of the nine candidates running for the Democratic nomination, six say they do not support gay marriage -- Lieberman, Kerry, Gephardt, retired Gen. Wesley Clark of Arkansas, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina and the front-runner, former Gov. Howard Dean of Vermont.

"While I continue to oppose gay marriage, I believe today's decision calls on the Massachusetts state legislature to take action to ensure equal protection for gay couples," said Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts in his response.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/19/elec04.prez.dems.gay.marriage/

And thats the same thing Bush is saying.

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"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war."

—George W. Bush, October 11, 2000

"Rebuilding Iraq will require a sustained commitment from many nations, including our own: we will remain in Iraq as long as necessary, and not a day more."

—George W. Bush, February 26, 2003

Ya got me..I guess we should just pack up and leave IRAQ like it is..Of course then we will have to go back in a few years.

Oh, but we DID fight and win a war.

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Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

- George W. Bush, address to the U.S., March 17, 2003

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

- George W. Bush, speech to UN General Assembly, Sept. 12, 2002

You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons....They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on, But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them.

- George W. Bush, remarks to reporters, May 31, 2003

On this all you have shown is he THOUGHT there were WMD's...You still have shown no PROOF he KNEW there were none.

But that doe snot keep you from lying and saying he lied.

Has he lied? Yep I am sure he has.

Did he lie about WMD's in IRAQ..You can't prove he did.

Spin spin spin. They're weasel words, Ron. Bill just gave a sample of Bush's untruths. He has made any number of statements that are totally at variance with his subsequent actions, on economics, veterans' affairs, education, gay rights, and of course, Iraq.

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[billvon 3,075]

>And they still can.

Not if this amendment passes. It will say that states CANNOT perform same-sex marriages. That's the opposite of doing whatever they want to do.

>Ya got me..I guess we should just pack up and leave IRAQ like it
>is..Of course then we will have to go back in a few years.

I didn't say he made any sense. He said US troops should not be involved in nation-building, then he said that they should nation-build. In other words, he said one thing and did the very opposite.

>On this all you have shown is he THOUGHT there were WMD's . . .

So if you repack someone's reserve, and you say "it's good to go!" and in fact the links aren't even attached, you're not lying? He said "We found WMD's" cause he wanted to find them. The truth was we didn't find them. They teach you that that sort of thing is lying in second grade.

>Did he lie about WMD's in IRAQ..You can't prove he did.

And everytime I do, you tell me that he _really_ meant something else, or he was just wrong, or he was really right and we will prove it real soon. Reminds me of that scene from Austin Powers:

CLERK: OK, Austin Danger Powers: One vinyl recording album: Tom Jones, Live at Las Vegas. One Swedish-made penis enlarger pump.

AUSTIN: (embarrassed) That's not mine.

CLERK: One credit card receipt for Swedish-made penis enlarger pump, signed Austin Powers.

AUSTIN: I'm telling you, baby, that's not mine.

CLERK: One warranty card for Swedish-made penis enlarger pump, filled out by Austin Powers.

AUSTIN: I don't even know what this is. This sort of thing ain't my bag, baby.

CLERK: One book: Swedish-Made Penis Enlarger Pumps and Me: This Sort of Thing Is My Bag, Baby, by Austin Powers.

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Spin spin spin. They're weasel words, Ron. Bill just gave a sample of Bush's untruths. He has made any number of statements that are totally at variance with his subsequent actions, on economics, veterans' affairs, education, gay rights, and of course, Iraq.

You are the master of spin.

You say Bush lied aboiut IRAQ...But you can't PROVE it.

John you are getting pretty sad being all emotional.

I expect FACTS form you.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Not if this amendment passes. It will say that states CANNOT perform same-sex marriages. That's the opposite of doing whatever they want to do.

I still think Marriage is about religion....Some of the benefits can be given without it being called marriage.

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I didn't say he made any sense. He said US troops should not be involved in nation-building, then he said that they should nation-build. In other words, he said one thing and did the very opposite.

So has Kerry. Will you admit Kerry does the same thing...Here is a hint..they are both in politics...They ALL lie.

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So if you repack someone's reserve, and you say "it's good to go!" and in fact the links aren't even attached, you're not lying?

If I thought that I DID attach the links then its not a lie.

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They teach you that that sort of thing is lying in second grade.

You missed part of the second grade. If I say the rig is good to go and I think it is...Its not a lie. It's only a LIE if I KNEW it was not ready.

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And everytime I do, you tell me that he _really_ meant something else, or he was just wrong, or he was really right and we will prove it real soon. Reminds me of that scene from Austin Powers:

CLERK: OK, Austin Danger Powers: One vinyl recording album: Tom Jones, Live at Las Vegas. One Swedish-made penis enlarger pump.

AUSTIN: (embarrassed) That's not mine.

CLERK: One credit card receipt for Swedish-made penis enlarger pump, signed Austin Powers.

AUSTIN: I'm telling you, baby, that's not mine.

CLERK: One warranty card for Swedish-made penis enlarger pump, filled out by Austin Powers.

AUSTIN: I don't even know what this is. This sort of thing ain't my bag, baby.

CLERK: One book: Swedish-Made Penis Enlarger Pumps and Me: This Sort of Thing Is My Bag, Baby, by Austin Powers.

I still have not seen you PROVE it.

BTW that was so funny I had to cut and paste the whole thing....

I tell ya what get me PROOF he lied and he KNEW there were NO WMD's in Iraq....And I'll agree and even help to impeach him.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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So in summary:

Despite the records Bush has released, you still think he was absent from the National Guard.

And despite the fact that Kerry hasn't proved anything by releasing records, you accept his statements at face value.

Don't look now, but your bias and double standard is showing.

Apparently Kerry WAS awarded three purple hearts, a silver star and a bronze star. Someone in authority seemed to think he was actually there and doing something important to the war effort. Now, if you want to second guess those awards, does that mean all other silver star recipients need to be re-examined too, or is it just Kerry that you think got them under false pretenses?

Take off your knee-jerk reply hat, and put on your critical-thinking hat.

People in authority also testify that Bush served his duty, as the documents I provided earlier show. The only reason you keep ignoring those is because you have a double standard of evidence: nothing is good enough for Bush, while at the same time, nothing is perfectly acceptable for Kerry.

I'm not second-guessing the awards, and I didn't claim that he got them under false pretenses. Please don't put false words in my mouth.

If you are going to demand proof from one, then you should demand proof from all.

It's cute to watch how, when you get cornered in one argument, you go flying off in a different direction to try and escape. You must feel like a pinball machine...