Argus misfire

[piisfish 140]

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He had just returned from Chicago (to Houston), and there is an altitude difference (but not close to the 1,100 to 1,500 foot misfire he had). He also turned the unit on at the DZ where it misfired, so it should have calibrated to the DZ altitude anyway.

Anyone had this happen to them or have any possible causes on this?

apparently a case of RTFM... With a parameter I do not like.

I have personally never read an Argus manual, or seen or touched an Argus. But for my personal preference another reason why I prefer the CYPRES

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He had just returned from Chicago (to Houston), and there is an altitude difference (but not close to the 1,100 to 1,500 foot misfire he had). He also turned the unit on at the DZ where it misfired, so it should have calibrated to the DZ altitude anyway.

Anyone had this happen to them or have any possible causes on this?

apparently a case of RTFM... With a parameter I do not like.

I have personally never read an Argus manual, or seen or touched an Argus. But for my personal preference another reason why I prefer the CYPRES

Why?

Lets be honest. Most of us have a DZ that we call home, and do the majority of our jumping there. If there is an altitude offset between the DZ and the LZ, it seems rather logical that an AAD would retain a setting in its memory. Certainly more logical than having to remember to set the offset every time the unit is turned on.

Perhaps one might suggest it would be convenient for the offset to be displayed on the screen for easy verification?

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I have personally never read an Argus manual, or seen or touched an Argus. But for my personal preference another reason why I prefer the CYPRES

Why?

Lets be honest. Most of us have a DZ that we call home, and do the majority of our jumping there. If there is an altitude offset between the DZ and the LZ, it seems rather logical that an AAD would retain a setting in its memory. Certainly more logical than having to remember to set the offset every time the unit is turned on.

Perhaps one might suggest it would be convenient for the offset to be displayed on the screen for easy verification?

Or a happy medium - remember the offset from jump to jump in a single power "session". Reset daily instead of every jump.

Considering the Argus menu system, there could even be an option to set the persistence of the offset setting - reset each jump, reset each day, remember for the duration of the power-on session, remember across sessions.

But that does leave a lot of responsibility on the user to understand his AAD.

Might be time to stop saying "set and forget".

Umm... we still sort of need the OP to confirm that the owner was messing with the offset. Surely some will assert that Aviacom is lying to us.

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I jump a Vigil and an Argus. Both hold the offset until you reset back to 0. Cypres has to be reset every jump. I started at Hollister which required the offset and it was a pain to reset the Cypres1 with the long count down after every jump. That is the very reason why I did not get a Cypres when my old one timed out. I don't jump there any more, so it is not as much on an issue. I'd be happy to jump any of the three AADs out there.

Every AAD unit displays the offset on the controller. If a jumper actually watches the start up check that the AAD does, as we each should do, then they would see that the AAD still holds the offset. If they just hit the button to confirm the three blinks on start up and don't watch the start up confirmation, the unit could show an error code and they would not catch that either.

As is often the case, if you don't RTFM and then follow it's instructions, it can come back to bite you.

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Sean,

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Sean,

There are many things that jumper Should do but can't be bothered.

Sparky

Agreed. Hence the two out at 2500'. I don't care what manufacturer makes the gear, just hate the bashing issued when it ends up being operator error.

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Sean,

There are many things that jumper Should do but can't be bothered.

Sparky

Agreed. Hence the two out at 2500'. I don't care what manufacturer makes the gear, just hate the bashing issued when it ends up being operator error.

Just about all made today is pretty well designed and functions well if used even close to instructions. Most people who complain the loudest pay a packer and can’t explain how their own system works. Container systems are pretty much all the same except for cosmetics. If someone tells you that rig XXgofast is the best but not explain why, he is either repeating what was said by someone else without a clue or he is sponsored.

Stay safe,

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Just about all made today is pretty well designed and functions well if used even close to instructions. Most people who complain the loudest pay a packer and can’t explain how their own system works. Container systems are pretty much all the same except for cosmetics. If someone tells you that rig XXgofast is the best but not explain why, he is either repeating what was said by someone else without a clue or he is sponsored.

Stay safe,

Sparky

THANK YOU. I've been saying this for a while now, and every time I explain this to a new jumper at the DZ who asks me for my .02, I always get people ruffled up because I didn't say "OH MY GOD YOU NEED TO JUMP XXX RIG IF YOU EVER WANT TO BE A FREEFLYER."

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Similar event from late last year, had the footage and just got around to editing and uploading:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=detSZl23Blw

Jumper didn't bother to preflight the rental rig they used and got a reserve ride with tree landing for their trouble. The offset would've been clear as day the display screen if they had bothered to look. Thankfully they were out of the flip when it activated.

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But for my personal preference another reason why I prefer the CYPRES

Why?

Lets be honest. Most of us have a DZ that we call home, and do the majority of our jumping there. If there is an altitude offset between the DZ and the LZ, it seems rather logical that an AAD would retain a setting in its memory. Certainly more logical than having to remember to set the offset every time the unit is turned on.

Perhaps one might suggest it would be convenient for the offset to be displayed on the screen for easy verification?

[cpoxon 0]

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Perhaps one might suggest it would be convenient for the offset to be displayed on the screen for easy verification?

The manual (page 6) says,

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The display will indicate the correction by using an abbreviation of three letters of the set mode
plus the set altitude. Please check also if the Argus is programmed in meters or feet.

Altitude correction will remain in memory until adjusted
Example: the swoop mode with an altitude correction of +100 meters will appear on the display
as: SWP. +100m

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As is often the case, if you don't RTFM and then follow it's instructions, it can come back to bite you.

http://www.argus-aad.com/images/PDF/22_11_2010_Evora_Portugal.pdf

As per the incident report in Portugal, they said it wouldn't have happened if they just RTFM (yes, it says that in the report)

Sounds like the same thing happened in this case...


I did just buy a year old Argus for $750 though so all this trash talking argus is good for something...

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