PhillyKev 0 #151 February 25, 2004 QuoteI think you know what my answer would be on that. Just becasue medical advancements make something possible, does not make it desireable. Why not just create a clone? That does not take any partner, but most people realize that nature never intended life to be created in that way either. Thanks for the fun. This is better than Crossfire, but lets face it, nobody is convincing anybody of anything. Are you avoiding my rebuttal of your claim about the rules of nature? QuoteThat's a ridiculous assumption. There are plenty of examples in nature of animals that require two opposite sex mates to reproduce, yet only one, or many times neither of the parents are involved in raising the offspring. The coupling of heterosexual humans for life is a man-made event. I contend that mating for life is against nature. There are many more natural examples to back up my theory, than yours. The only reason marriage exists was a man-made effort to preserve land and property rights. Before that, humans didn't mate for life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #152 February 25, 2004 Quote . . . but lets face it, nobody is convincing anybody of anything. That's not totally true, I'm convinced you're right that nobody has convinced anybody of anything.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #153 February 25, 2004 >I think you know what my answer would be on that. Just becasue > medical advancements make something possible, does not make it > desireable. So you are against infertile couples being made fertile again? >Why not just create a clone? You could, but why bother? Unless, of course, you're into passing laws that prevent two people from being parents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #154 February 25, 2004 QuoteI contend that mating for life is against nature. There are many more natural examples to back up my theory, than yours. The only reason marriage exists was a man-made effort to preserve land and property rights. Before that, humans didn't mate for life. Actually, there was an interesting article in The Economist in the last couple of weeks about this. I"ll look it up; there is a biological basis for this, and it's carried out in different types of rats as well. Has to do with the generation of endorphins based on physical appearance, familiarity, and a bunch of other technical stuff Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #155 February 25, 2004 QuoteHas to do with the generation of endorphins based on physical appearance, familiarity, and a bunch of other technical stuff I don't buy it. Nothing gets my endorphins pumping more than hitting some strange. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jayruss 0 #156 February 25, 2004 QuoteNice analogy, but it doesn't make your case. Granting children to gay couples can hardly be compared to providing mobility to the handicapped. A very typical, and weak, liberal point. The funny part is that I'm fairly conservative. But anyways, you're saying that gays shouldn't be able to marry because nature has prevented them from reproducing. If a person is born with a disability why should society assist them? Nature has taken away their ability to walk, why should we help them overcome nature? QuoteIt's a good tact to take, but it does not hold water. You cannot compare a medically defunct heterosexual couple to a biologically incompatible homosexual one. One cannot have children due to one medical reason or another, the other was NEVER meant to have them. If a woman is born without a uterus that's biological. Therefore that female shouldn’t be permitted to marry? __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #157 February 25, 2004 QuoteQuote . . . but lets face it, nobody is convincing anybody of anything. That's not totally true, I'm convinced you're right that nobody has convinced anybody of anything. I don't know if I totally agree with you on that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jayruss 0 #158 February 25, 2004 QuotePlease see my recent replies to bytch and kev. I think same sex couples *can* raise children, but I don't think they can provide the same broad perspective to those children that a well matched husband and wife can. I want to ask this once more. First off, I completely agree with you on the fact that gay parents would provide a different upbringing than a straight couple. Of course I feel that it COULD be better in some situations, there is no hard and fast "lesser" degree in quality of up bringing in gay households. So, because gay parents will provide a different up bringing for a child than straight couples, should gays be prevented to marry? __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #159 February 25, 2004 For the record, I'm not sure what I believe anymore. I've been on both sides of the fence on this topic so many times in my life it's ridiculous. For about an hour earlier today I was feeling really strong about one side of it. Now I'm back fucking straddling the fence. I think that's how I'm destined to spend the rest of my life... really there are so many things I can't make up my mind about...www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #160 February 25, 2004 QuoteWho says a child needs a mom and a dad? Exactly what is it that they can provide that a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom or just a mom or just a dad can't? Hmmmm.... You obviously did an EXCEPTIONAL job raising your son.. No question about that. A child doesn't necessarily NEED a mother and father.. But let me raise a couple of points... A boy copies things that his father does when growing up.. Things that just end up being the makeup of the MAN he becomes.. A Mom cannot demonstrate through example how to be a man. A girl.. Copies those things from her mother.. Things a man cannot demonstrate or show a girl.. A father cannot demonstrate how to be a lady by example. I believe that at least in the initial stages of childhood development that a "proper" "If there is such a thing" mother and father figure are very important. Does that mean it HAS to be that way. No. Bytch.. I'd have to disagree with you.. Although you and I aren't talking because of a stupid fucking smoking thread I feel your parents did a hell of a job. I know you well enough to say you are a hell of a person. Do I support Gay marriage? No.. Why not? Because I don't and that's just the way it is.. I think anyone wanting to marry a sibling should be whipped and locked up.. Then their parents should be whipped to for not instilling some sort of family values. The argument can be made that a child growing up in a gay household wouldn't be very traumatic because that is all the child knows.. A mommy and a mommy,.,. Or two daddies.. They have never know anything different so why should it matter? Maybe it shouldn't.. I think the backlash the children will experience later in life might tell the tale. I still don't agree with a child being raised in a gay house hold.. Some might argue that the child is better off being raise in a home with 2 people that love them regardless of gender.. Rather than a crappy heterosexual home.. That may be true.. Something about it simply seems wrong to me.. I just don't support men being with men and women being with women. Penis and Vagina were meant to go together.. NOT Penis and man's rear end.. I don't think that is a great example for a child to be raised in at all.. Regardless of whether or not the child is exposed to the activity they are smart. They will know eventually.. Prom time comes.. Little johnny with 2 dads has a hot date.. Molly rings the door bell.. Low and behold Johnny introduces BOTH dads.. Just too weird for me.. Not something that is worth putting a child through.. Not what is "proper" or "acceptable" in my mind... I don't give a damn if anyone agrees. What a crazy ass day and age we live in.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #161 February 25, 2004 It takes a lot of guts to admit you're rethinking your position. I admire you for admitting that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #162 February 25, 2004 QuoteFor the record, I'm not sure what I believe anymore. I've been on both sides of the fence on this topic so many times in my life it's ridiculous. For about an hour earlier today I was feeling really strong about one side of it. Now I'm back fucking straddling the fence. I think that's how I'm destined to spend the rest of my life... really there are so many things I can't make up my mind about... Ok....that's a good honest answer. But my question to you is, if you're unsure about an issue, why would you even consider a ban against something if you're not sure if it's a bad thing or not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #163 February 25, 2004 QuoteA father cannot demonstrate how to be a lady by example. You've obviously never seen Richard Simmons. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #164 February 25, 2004 I don't think I said I was for a ban on it. I just argued why I felt it was wrong, and 95% of me still feels it, even though there are certain parts that are hard to explain, and I'm a very logical person so when I can't put something into words it makes me doubt why I believe it...www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #165 February 25, 2004 >Do I support Gay marriage? No.. Why not? Because I don't and that's >just the way it is.. An honest answer, at least. I think many people share that view. >Penis and Vagina were meant to go together.. >NOT Penis and man's rear end.. Well, neither were penis and mouth (or mouth and vagina) but those can be a lot of fun. I'd hate to tell someone else they couldn't do something like that, that it made them bad or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #166 February 25, 2004 QuoteDo I support Gay marriage? No.. Why not? Because I don't and that's just the way it is.. No one is asking you to support gay marriage. You're being asked if you support BANNING gay marriage. There's a big difference. The first means you're advocating something that goes against your personal beliefs. The latter means you are forcing your personal beliefs on the lives of others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #167 February 25, 2004 QuoteWell, neither were penis and mouth (or mouth and vagina) but those can be a lot of fun. I'd hate to tell someone else they couldn't do something like that, that it made them bad or something. Well.. Not that I ever thought I would ever hear you say that bill.. LOL... But.. You got me.. LOL Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #168 February 25, 2004 QuoteI think anyone wanting to marry a sibling should be whipped and locked up.. Well... there is a bright side to dating siblings. You've already met her family. Anyway... back to the topic. There seems to be an assumption floating around that hetero couples who have kids will be living with those kids and be good parents. Statistics (these seem to be the same ones quoted everywhere) 1) 24 million children (34 percent) live absent their biological father. 2) Nearly 20 million children (27 percent) live in single-parent homes. 3) 1.35 million births (33 percent of all births) in 2000 occurred out of wedlock. 4) 43 percent of first marriages dissolve within fifteen years; about 60 percent of divorcing couples have children; and approximately one million children each year experience the divorce of their parents. Diff-sex marriage doesn't guarantee a long-term relationship or good parenting skills. That said, I think Same-sex marriages will suck for the same reasons. Two people trying to get along. Custody battles will be incendiary on a planetary scale though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jayruss 0 #169 February 25, 2004 QuotePenis and Vagina were meant to go together.. NOT Penis and man's rear end.. what about a penis and a woman's rear end? __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JDBoston 0 #170 February 25, 2004 Clones have been created since the beginning of time. They're called TWINS. Nothing unnatural about it. Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #171 February 25, 2004 Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #172 February 25, 2004 Is that the offspring when 2 gay men mate? Ahh..now I agree, it should be banned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #174 February 25, 2004 QuoteThe latter means you are forcing your personal beliefs on the lives of others. I believe it means STANDING up for what I believe in.. Like fighting for my country.. And protecting a ladies honor every chance I get... That is what a man does.. I don't believe that supporting the ban is forcing my beliefs on anyone. We live in a democratic society fortunately. I support the ban. Because allowing same sex marriages goes against my belief system.. If you believe in striking women and I don't.. Yes,.. I will be demonstrating my belief to you in what you call a "forceful" way. It's standing up for what I believe in.. Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #175 February 26, 2004 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Penis and Vagina were meant to go together.. NOT Penis and man's rear end.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what about a penis and a woman's rear end? Answer your own question?? Edited... Anyone want to post a pic of a women ass vs a man ass?? LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
