Gawain 0 #26 February 25, 2004 QuoteThe Bible says that if you have broken one of God's commandments, then you have in effect broken them all. Appropriately, I shall play devil's advocate here. Aren't the Ten Commandments, being Old Testament, not a part of the modern practice of Christianity? QuoteSin is Sin, and God doesnt have a grading system with one being more sinful than another. All sins are wrong In God's sight, and only Christ can forgive them No other person , onject, or thing can forgive your sins, ONLY Christ. Indeed, but without one's own faith in this, forgiveness must first come from within in order to be able to receive it without. In other words, one can believe that only God can forgive them, but without faith, one would not be open to receiving it, even if they wanted it. QuoteIf it were the other way, Christ would have died in Vain. If there was some other way in which to get to heaven ( i.e. good works) then Christ would have ied in vain. Yet, that is what the Bible (written by man) preaches: good works and faith. In essence, faith makes all things possible, but I believe that some take that too far. QuoteHe said "NO MAN (or woman) comes to the Father (God) But by me". He alone is the door to Heaven, and you must go through him, by accepting his love and forgiveness, in order to enter God's kingdom. Could this be also why so many people, soon before they die, they come to a "peace of mind" per se. Just one person's perspective... So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #27 February 25, 2004 QuoteAgain, who said this? People who have sex with the woman on top call two women having sex immoral, and they want to prevent it as much as they possibly can. They will not try to prevent hetero sex with a woman on top, though. QuoteIf all "sins" were "equal", then either the lesbians and 4 year old should both go to jail or not. You're right. So, sins aren't "equal," who's who to say which ones are worse? The Bible certainly can't. We can't go and put 4 year olds in jail for lying about cookies. The Bible is useless for deciding which laws we should make.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #28 February 25, 2004 Quote(oh, this reply wasn't at you, MissKriss, but I think you know that!) Oh I know and I am in complete agreement with you on the whole thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #29 February 25, 2004 Ya know what they say Val, if ya date a religious girl that will actually have sex with you, you better love missionary and hate blowjobs. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #30 February 25, 2004 QuoteThe more fun it is the more sinful it is. Common knowledge. And that is why I spent most of my high school days saying Hail Marys and Our Fathers. Edited once again, cause I can't type today May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bill2 0 #31 February 25, 2004 if it feels good it's a sin. the better it feels, the bigger the sin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #32 February 25, 2004 QuoteAre the lesbians being put in jail? Ummm... yup. Our own government routinely jails both females and males suspected of being homosexual while serving in the military.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #33 February 25, 2004 I am looking at all these people with ash smear'd accross their faces today thinking WTF, my God do not make me do that! And too, I do not have to fear it either! Have you ever seen a dog that was terrified of it owner, why did people worship a God they must fear? "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #34 February 25, 2004 QuoteOkay, when it comes to sex, it seems that almost anything but sex in the missionary position for procreation is a sin. Who's bible? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #35 February 25, 2004 The Bible dos not state anywhere the position to be used in sex....this is the statement of some misguided person to put down Christian missionaries. Nothing more Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #36 February 25, 2004 For clarification of the Christian faith (and at least some of the definitions of sin that you seem to be looking for), I suggest reading the letters that the apostle Paul wrote to the Greek churches in Asia Minor. You'll find them in Corinthians, Romans, etc. in the New Testament. The Greeks had the same kinds of questions about "The Way", as it was known. They wanted to know why there were certain things were considered sins by this new religion, but others weren't, or weren't considered "as bad". Paul was a Roman citizen who traveled throughout Asia Minor (modern Turkey and Greece) preaching the Gospel, sometimes at great personal risk. He was imprisoned on several occasions, and was almost flogged at one point, almost stoned at another. He had a fascinating career, but it unfortunately ended with his being decapitated in Rome. Please read Acts to see how he got started, which is one of the funkiest career changes in history... Please understand, I'm not proselytizing here or trying to convert anyone (this is Seattle, after all - they burn Christians at the stake around here ) - just offering it as a history lesson. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #37 February 25, 2004 I loved the remark from the guy who said -- "Well, at least I haven't worshipped any graven images." mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #38 February 25, 2004 QuoteYes Jesus and God are the same. Jesus said "I and my Father are ONE", but it is a triune God, an includes the Holy Spirit. It is that same Holy Spirit that inspired the 41 writers over a 1500 yr peiod to write God's WORD. The Bible even declares that the scriptures are of no private interpretation, but were directed by God through the Holy Spirit. To answer your question...YES, they are ONE. Bill Cole That is where faith comes in - to the secular population you see a book saying "trust me, this was written by me because I was inspired by God." OBL is using the same speech these days. As far as sins go - according to the Catholic faith - God is the only one that gets to make that judgement. And let he who is without sin throw the first stone._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #39 February 25, 2004 QuoteThe Bible says that if you have broken one of God's commandments, then you have in effect broken them all. Sin is Sin, and God doesnt have a grading system with one being more sinful than another. All sins are wrong In God's sight, and only Christ can forgive them No other person , onject, or thing can forgive your sins, ONLY Christ. If it were the other way, Christ would have died in Vain. If there was some other way in which to get to heaven ( i.e. good works) then Christ would have ied in vain. He said "NO MAN (or woman) comes to the Father (God) But by me". He alone is the door to Heaven, and you must go through him, by accepting his love and forgiveness, in order to enter God's kingdom. LOL.. dont you just love religious dogma designed to seperate you from god and each other?? 'Sin' is a christian myth, it only has the meaning you give it, once you accept that you can let it go and take responsibility for your self, your actions and the development of your 'soul' might as well talk about the satori of christ...its meaninless unless you buy into the whole dogma... of course to do that you really have to close your eyes to the nature of religion, plug your ears to the word of God in the world around you, and accept that everything will be all right because your pastor says so and he's got 2000 years of guilt ridden repressive dogma to 'prove' it. God doesnt care. Open your eyes, pay attention to how your actions affect your life and the lives around you and the answer is obvious, as God always intended it to be, before man discovered he could control others by claiming "Gods will is...."____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #40 February 25, 2004 No....to your question about the Old and New testaments. You cannot have one without the other, they are both an equal part in God's WORD. The two halves of God's WORD that make up the Bible, are as important one to the other as the two parts of the day, Evening and morning, that constitute the fullness of the day. If Christians were to reject the Old Testament and only focus on the New Testam,ent, they would be rejecting Creation, the flood of Noah, the end days of this world as told In Daniel and much more. It is all a very important part of Christianity and cannot be separated . Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #41 February 25, 2004 QuoteYes Jesus and God are the same. Jesus said "I and my Father are ONE", but it is a triune God, an includes the Holy Spirit. It is that same Holy Spirit that inspired the 41 writers over a 1500 yr peiod to write God's WORD. The Bible even declares that the scriptures are of no private interpretation, but were directed by God through the Holy Spirit. To answer your question...YES, they are ONE. really? prove it? you cant, and since your 'writers' bias is obvious, as your editors is as well......God doesnt need any of it. Keep your cultural and political agendas to yourself as they have nothing to do with anyones relationship to God. also your assertion puts a crick in the old "he died for you" claim. cant have it both ways...your immortal or your not. If you are then dying is pointless, and your suffering and pain are equally meaningless as they have no consequences for you as divinity, rather like Trump giving away $10 bills to everyone he meets who says his name...it really doesnt affect him at all....Which completely undermines any claim of 'sacrifice' you have...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #42 February 25, 2004 QuoteI know that things don't come across well on the internet sometimes, so I'm just going to clarify that this isn't judgmental...this is pure ignorance! I really don't understand where in the Bible it states that one sin is worse than another. Everyone sins. Just by judging those who sin, aren't you sinning even more? Okay, when it comes to sex, it seems that almost anything but sex in the missionary position for procreation is a sin. I do not know many adults that haven't sinned in that aspect, so if you've sinned in the sexual aspect, how can you judge other people who are sinning, too? It's not just sex either. How come no one is trying to outlaw lying? Is lying less of a sin than sex? Does it depend on the circumstance? I really am just confused on what makes one sin worse than another. Bear in mind that I'm an Orthodox Infidel, and consider the concept of "sin" to be little more than fuel for humor. As Elvis Costello said, "there's no such thing as an original sin...." Anyhow, the whole idea behind sin is guilt. This country is neurotic as hell when it comes to sex, and I think it contributes to the general impression that Americans are pitiful lovers. To limit sex to the missionary position for purposes of procreation is simply laughable. I have read many religious texts, and a lot of what hangs people up is what they read into what is there. I seem to recall Lot getting his daughters knocked up in the OT, and it was reported as a good thing there, so the "sin" aspect of things seems situational at best. Lying is despicable. I couldn't care less about it's legal status or place in the Commandments; I find liars loathsome, and seek to avoid them. Sex is good clean fun, and anyone who thinks it's icky is doing it wrong. Far from feeling guilty about it, the more I get the happier I am. Liars are the lowest form of life. I detest having anything to do with people given to prevarication. I'm not sure how the concept of sin relates to much of anything beyond crowd control. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vmsfreaky1 0 #43 February 25, 2004 Usually, the better it feels the worse the sin..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,075 #44 February 25, 2004 >The Bible says that if you have broken one of God's >commandments, then you have in effect broken them all. Hmm. Have you ever worked on a sunday? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,075 #45 February 25, 2004 >Ya know what they say Val, if ya date a religious girl that will actually >have sex with you, you better love missionary and hate blowjobs. I went to a religious all-boys high school, and often got sent over to all-women's schools for plays, dances etc. And the more religious they looked, the faster the clothes came off. They were good at the guilt thing though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #46 February 25, 2004 I'm not a Bible thumper, but I know theology, so here we go... QuoteI really don't understand where in the Bible it states that one sin is worse than another. Sin is sin, according to the Bible, telling a lie is as bad as murder in God's eyes. That's why there's God's Grace, given to us by the death and reserection of his son Jesus. The purpose of the 10 Commandments used in the modern Christian world is to help give us guidence, but they are no longer the "law" due to Christianity being under a new convienent. Romans 7:15-18 talks about that. Grace abounds due to sin, but Paul wrote that you shouldn't sin so that more grace can be given. The Christian God is a god of grace, but he is also a just God and a jealous God. This post could continue longer then a Baptist preacher's sermon, but I'll just leave it at this.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #47 February 25, 2004 Quote>Ya know what they say Val, if ya date a religious girl that will actually >have sex with you, you better love missionary and hate blowjobs. I went to a religious all-boys high school, and often got sent over to all-women's schools for plays, dances etc. And the more religious they looked, the faster the clothes came off. They were good at the guilt thing though. indeed i often thank God for the catholic school down the street from my high school all that repressive dogma does lead to some real closet freaks and so long as your not in for the long term you dont have to deal with all the ridiculous guilt their faith pours in their ears everyday...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #48 February 25, 2004 QuoteAnd the more religious they looked, the faster the clothes came off. They were good at the guilt thing though. Damn straight! I come from a very religous background, so I experienced that...AND I dated a hard-core mormon girl for a bit over 3 years, she was worst then all of them put together! She had a huge sexual appetite, but man she went through a hard core guilt trip. She'd go to her "bishop" and cry in his office, he'd tell her that she was a sinner and wasn't going to get to go to the "planet" and she'd come home crying and wanting sex. Go figure.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #49 February 25, 2004 Quote and a jealous God. jealousy is a human emotion...God has no use for such petty human foibles everywhere you see a human motivation or emotion ascribed to Divinity is a place where the "Will of Man" entered into what is claimed as the "Word of God" there are far better places to look for the breath of divinity, you just have to open your eyes to do so....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #50 February 25, 2004 WE DON'T GET OUR OWN PLANET!!!!!!! Geez, that is the one misconception I cannot stand!!!!! Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
