benny 0 #151 February 16, 2004 QuoteYou can't derive that from my entire statement? God, of course. Why do you think it's primarily a religious institution? Genesis 2 18-25 Just for clarification, who wrote Genesis 2 18-25? Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #152 February 16, 2004 You are free to do what your Government tells you to. A true artist has no country. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #153 February 16, 2004 QuoteThey both act as trolls, looking for something controversial to use to stir shit. This is the type of person I won't jump with. What a ridiculous statement! Much as I usually disagree with the political viewpoints of both Benny and Kallend, I would jump with either of them any day. They are not "trolls", by the way, and they both have enough integrity not to type things here they wouldn't say right to your face. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #154 February 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteThey both act as trolls, looking for something controversial to use to stir shit. This is the type of person I won't jump with. What a ridiculous statement! Much as I usually disagree with the political viewpoints of both Benny and Kallend, I would jump with either of them any day. They are not "trolls", by the way, and they both have enough integrity not to type things here they wouldn't say right to your face. Thank you very much, I really appreciate your integrity (that's another great thing about America, we can disagree about politics and still be friends). I would and I look forward to jumping with you some day. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #155 February 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou're right. Not all see marriage the same way but, I dare say, the vast majority do. If it were put to a vote, this thing would probably be settled. Gay marriage has been on state ballots before with mixed results. In California, the people voted NOT to allow gay marriage in 2000. So that wacked SF mayor allowing those fake marriages to take place under his watch is not only saying "screw the law", he is also saying "screw the people". Apparently it's OK to break the law if its' about gay marriage but no OK to post the 10 Commandments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #156 February 16, 2004 Nathan, I am so sorry to see that your thread was hijacked it the manner that it was. Being the eternal optimist I will try to find the good in this. It has mentioned several times. The freedom to express our opinion is one of the greatest freedoms bestowed upon us by our forefathers. Even they knew that there would be morons amoung us that would not be able to respect the wishes of another person and just answer a question straight forward. I have no crystal ball and know that there are those out there that will disagree with me but here goes. I beleive that this country will give my children the best chance at acheiving whatever they want in life. I love that I can instill in them that this is a sure truth. My life is mine and has been made, but theirs is all before them and that is what is important now. I have seen places where this is not a fact of life. I love the fact that our country is protected by individuals like you who do it because they believe there is good in what they are doing, not because they are forced to. Please do not take my down they road of the past, I was there when the draft was mandatory, I did not need to be drafted. I may not be as deep as some who responded positively to your request. But hope that you may find some feeling of good in your soul with my response. Thank you for what you give to us because that may be the greratest gift of my country to my family. May good fortune and safety follow you. RainboRainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hungarianchick 0 #157 February 16, 2004 The USA has the best higher education system in the world. *** This is the funniest thing I heard in a long time! Thanks! "I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #158 February 16, 2004 QuoteApparently it's OK to break the law if its' about gay marriage but no OK to post the 10 Commandments. Yea, it's funny like that, ain't it? Where's the 9th stepping in to restore order and respect for the law, meanwhile removing the "renegade" mayor from his "bench"? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #159 February 16, 2004 QuoteApparently it's OK to break the law if its' about gay marriage but no OK to post the 10 Commandments. I don't know if you noticed this, but the mayor did it on a special day called a "weekend", when courts and lawyers don't tend to work. See, it's got to do with this thing called a "5 day work week", which basically means that most white collar workers don't work on two special days, called "saturday", and "sunday". The court has said they will hear the case on a day called "tuesday", which comes after today, which is called "monday". "Monday" is the first day after the "weekend". To make matters a bit more complicated, "Monday" in this case is a special day called "holiday", where again people with white collars don't tend to work. In this case, the "holliday" in question is called "Presidents Day". Hope that helps, _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #160 February 16, 2004 * Every long-standing society has viewed marriage as a union of male and female. * The physics of it is obvious. Men and women are made differently for a reason. * The optimal environment to raising children is with a father and mother who are married. * All of the major religions of the world accept marriage as between a man and woman and also teach that homosexual behavior is wrong. * Marriage is the first institution ordained by God himself and has served from the beginning as the foundation for continuation of the human race. It supersedes modern laws. It is basic and fundamental. * Love is not the only consideration for marriage. You don’t necessarily marry someone or something just because you love them or it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #161 February 16, 2004 I don't believe it was against the constitution to display the 10 Commandments like they were. However, the law was broken when the Judge defied the higher court ruling to remove them. That was not ok and it was right to remove him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #162 February 16, 2004 QuoteThe freedom to express our opinion is one of the greatest freedoms bestowed upon us by our forefathers. Even they knew that there would be morons amoung us that would not be able to respect the wishes of another person and just answer a question straight forward. LOL! By calling people "morons" in this thread, you have singlehandedly cast yourself as one by your own definition, AND contributed to the "negativity" factor in this thread. Shame on you! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #163 February 16, 2004 Just ask my friends(???) how good I am casting (or should I say heaping) dispersions upon myself. RainboRainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #164 February 16, 2004 QuoteYou can't derive that from my entire statement? God, of course. Why do you think it's primarily a religious institution? Genesis 2 18-25 Now you're being silly. Julius Caesar had a wife. Which particular Roman god sanctioned his marriage? (or for that matter, any marriages in societies that are not Judeo-Christian or pre-date Moses. Marriage is a cultural state that transcends religion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #165 February 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteApparently it's OK to break the law if its' about gay marriage but no OK to post the 10 Commandments. I don't know if you noticed this, but the mayor did it on a special day called a "weekend", when courts and lawyers don't tend to work. See, it's got to do with this thing called a "5 day work week", which basically means that most white collar workers don't work on two special days, called "saturday", and "sunday". The court has said they will hear the case on a day called "tuesday", which comes after today, which is called "monday". "Monday" is the first day after the "weekend". To make matters a bit more complicated, "Monday" in this case is a special day called "holiday", where again people with white collars don't tend to work. In this case, the "holliday" in question is called "Presidents Day". Hope that helps, _Am Yes, it helps me understand something, but probably not what you intended. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #166 February 16, 2004 Quote The USA has the best higher education system in the world. *** This is the funniest thing I heard in a long time! Thanks! Tell me where there is a better one in terms of (a) overall quality (not just cherry picking one or a few selected universities like Oxford or Heidelberg) and (b) % of the population that benefits from it. It is a fact that more "international" students come to the USA for graduate school than to any other country on Earth. Wonder why that is?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivexxl 0 #167 February 16, 2004 Quote It is, however, yet another way to gradually take God out of every institution we have in this country. As that happens, we will eventually cease to be the great country that we are. AMEN!!!! Ever heard of separation of church and state? Keep your religion out of my house! There are enough threads around here addressing religion. Blog Clicky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #168 February 16, 2004 QuoteTell me where there is a better one in terms of (a) overall quality (not just cherry picking one or a few selected universities like Oxford or Heidelberg) and (b) % of the population that benefits from it. By that standard, I'd have to vote Canada. After all if we're going to exclude Oxford or Heidelberg, then we're also going to exclude the Ivy League. Once you do that, I'd take pretty much any provincial school over a US state one, and most of the private ones, too. As a percentage of population, far more Canadians get to University than Americans. QuoteIt is a fact that more "international" students come to the USA for graduate school than to any other country on Earth. Wonder why that is? Probably because the US has more schools than any other country. Again, if you want to measure in percentages, Canadian universities have far more foreign students per capita than American ones. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #169 February 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteTell me where there is a better one in terms of (a) overall quality (not just cherry picking one or a few selected universities like Oxford or Heidelberg) and (b) % of the population that benefits from it. By that standard, I'd have to vote Canada. After all if we're going to exclude Oxford or Heidelberg, then we're also going to exclude the Ivy League. Once you do that, I'd take pretty much any provincial school over a US state one, and most of the private ones, too. As a percentage of population, far more Canadians get to University then Americans. QuoteIt is a fact that more "international" students come to the USA for graduate school than to any other country on Earth. Wonder why that is? Probably because the US has more schools then any other country. Again, if you want to measure in percentages, Canadian universities have far more foreign students per capita then American ones. _Am I didn't say exclude the top ones, I said not to cherry pick them (id est, exclude all the others). Canada certainly has excellent schools too, McGill comes to mind (I was on PhD committees there a few years ago).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,997 #170 February 16, 2004 >Well, your perspective is refreshing as usual, but where do we draw the line? Common sense. Personally, I believe in most laws concerning behavior between strangers - laws against assault, murder, robbery etc. They're pretty reasonable. Laws that try to tell you what two consenting adults can do with each other are unreasonable. I won't obey any law that tells me what my wife and I can or can't do with each other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #171 February 16, 2004 QuoteQuote It is, however, yet another way to gradually take God out of every institution we have in this country. As that happens, we will eventually cease to be the great country that we are. AMEN!!!! Ever heard of separation of church and state? Keep your religion out of my house! There are enough threads around here addressing religion. Can you quote the section of the Constitution that states there must be "a seperation of Church and State"? Can you explain to me why you believe the Constitution calls for no Religion in Govt.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #172 February 16, 2004 QuoteDo you believe the mayor of SF is correct in ignoring state laws against marrying gays? They can conduct all the symbolic ceremonies they want, but that doesn't make them legal under state law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #173 February 16, 2004 QuoteQuoteNo I wasn't comparing anyone. Benny made fun of GWB for saying nukular as if somehow it was a big deal. Carter was in the nuclear Navy and still couldn't pronounce it. And exactly what does that have to do with Bush? That's my point. As soon as anyone criticizes anything about Bush...no matter if it's his lying to congress or mispronunciation, suddenly it turns into....."Well...insert democrat here...did such and such." Stop partisizing the fact that Bush is a freakin' incompetent, lying, retard. Yeah, maybe some dem presidents in the past have been as well, but they're not in power NOW. They're not screwing us over NOW. And neither is Bush. It may be what you perceive, but for that I am sorry, pehaps you should look at it in a different light, perhaps you should be more open minded.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,997 #174 February 16, 2004 >God, of course. Why do you think it's primarily a religious institution? >Genesis 2 18-25 God's word (as found in the bible) is a poor basis for any laws. The bible doesn't actually say gay marriage is wrong, it says to kill all the gays. So if you want to follow biblical commands, get out your gun. It also says to kill anyone who works on the Sabbath (saturday or sunday, depending on your religion.) It advises soldiers to kill the old women and children when invading, and to keep the virgins for themselves. Few people advise actually doing any of that. So it ends up being people's own interpretations of the bible which are put into practice. These range from very general interpretations of the new testament (i.e. "love your neighbor as yourself") to some of the more interpreted defintions (i.e. "god doesn't want gays to marry) to the far far right (i.e. god tells us to kill doctors.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #175 February 16, 2004 QuoteAs soon as anyone criticizes anything about Bush...no matter if it's his lying to congress or mispronunciation, suddenly it turns into....."Well...insert democrat here...did such and such." Yeah, maybe some dem presidents in the past have been as well, but they're not in power NOW. They're not screwing us over NOW. That's not the problem that was being highlighted, in my opinion. The problem is that those who bring these things up, are silent when the same things are done by one of their own party who is in power. It's a matter of a double-standard, and hypocrisy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
