sweetjava77 0 #51 February 17, 2004 We can deny access of the rig onto the concourse. The airline (since the plane belongs to them) has pretty much the ultimate say as to whether the rig boards their plane or not. They can get it onto the concourse through SIDA (Security Identification Display Access). If there definately is something suspicious about one, which I've never encountered, the rig will be investigated and, to say the least, the person will miss their flight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #52 February 17, 2004 Faith.....you are a short girl with brown hair aren't you. I'll PM ya...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #53 February 17, 2004 I vote you the official Dropzone.com/TSA liaison and training officer.....think you can clear up all the confusion and get TSA squared away for us? I'm sure we'll all kick in a jump ticket or two for you if you can!JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #54 February 17, 2004 >The worse that will happen is that they will open your rig And that presents a large issue since now you can not carry it on since it is larger then the allowed space with the reserve spring popped. Then you have to worry about transporting and repacking the reserve. Opening the reserve is a worst case situation and should be avoided. If they insist on opening the reserve I've found calling the supervisor and the airline agent over seems to work nicely. My laptop battery is more of an explosive then the Cypres cutter is.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #55 February 17, 2004 Let me ask you this. Why the hell tdo they go and keep cutting peoples reserve cables? I have heard of it happening twice so far. That just doesn't make sense! Why would they cut something? Anything? That is first of all destruction of someones property I would think. Second, if they think it is an explosive why would they go cutting things with bolt cutters? I spent enough time around EOD guys in the Army to know that you don't go cutting shit unless you know what it is and why you are cutting it. It just doesn't make sense to me. Especially when your own agency says that the passenger should be present when they inspect his rig. Both of the situations I have heard of, the people weren't even there when they did the cutting.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #56 February 17, 2004 QuoteIt just doesn't make sense to me. Think low paid not so bright employees. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #57 February 17, 2004 That would be more a concern for me then anything. Imagine. Guy sticks bomb in rig. Hooks detonator to reserve cable, when the dumb fuck TSA cuts the cable which he will because........ well because. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM! There goes Ontario or LAX. Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #58 February 17, 2004 >That just doesn't make sense! Why would they cut something? Anything? They have bolt cutters to cut locks; locks are often put on flimsy (even fabric) luggage zipper pulls. A guy they don't trust with the public gets happy with the bolt cutters, cuts about two dozen locks off, then along comes this odd container closed with a metal pin. Well, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail - and all this guy has is a bolt cutter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #59 February 17, 2004 See my last post. BOOOOOOOMMMMMM!Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malfunction 0 #60 February 17, 2004 QuoteImagine. Guy sticks bomb in rig. Hooks detonator to reserve cable, when the dumb fuck TSA cuts the cable which he will because........ well because. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM! There goes Ontario or LAX. Be careful about what you say... some people may take that as some sort of plan... You know, security is tight and Homeland Security is watching everyone... I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it. - Voltaire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #61 February 17, 2004 QuoteYou know, security is tight and Homeland Security is watching everyone... No we're not.....I mean...them....ummm....yeah they aren't here....watching or anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #62 February 17, 2004 QuoteNo we're not Yoy dont count Clay... we all know you got that job to get chicks... and ewes...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakyrat 1 #63 February 17, 2004 I flew Airtran with my rig several times with no problems. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #64 February 17, 2004 Quotewe all know you got that job to get chicks.. Flight Attendants are an interesting lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #65 February 17, 2004 Quote You need to understand that every rig with a cypres has an IED(improvised explosive devise) in it. There is no way of knowing whether this is a real explosive or not. this is an absurd statement. As Phree pointed out, laptop batteries have more explosive potential... fortunately unless you've been out to the range recently before jumping there is no reason why your rig should hit for explosives...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sweetjava77 0 #66 February 18, 2004 This doesn't happen anymore. It used to. An AVO came out about how to handle parachutes when they come through security. All screeners were mandatorily trained on what to do should they encounter one. faith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sweetjava77 0 #67 February 18, 2004 Really... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sweetjava77 0 #68 February 18, 2004 This is absolutely not true. Fertilizer has TNT and Nitro chemicals in it, perfum, heart medicine, road constuction chemicals, road salt, and countless other materials will all cause a rig to hit for explosives. I suggest having it cleaned before air travel. I just travelled to Florida in Jan. I had no trouble and my rig was just washed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #69 February 18, 2004 QuoteThis doesn't happen anymore. It used to. An AVO came out about how to handle parachutes when they come through security. All screeners were mandatorily trained on what to do should they encounter one. faith Maybe you missed the whole conversation about this happening just 2 weeks ago! Person traveling to the World Record attempts in Thailand had TSA cut their reserve pin! Be careful before you make blanket (This doesn't happen anymore) statements. You're bound to get burned.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomSpoon 4 #70 February 18, 2004 Quote*** Be careful about what you say... some people may take that as some sort of plan... You know, security is tight and Homeland Security is watching everyone... Yes , I know what you mean. They planted a radio transmiter in my tooth while I was sleeping. I've been hearing voices too. Do you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #71 February 18, 2004 QuoteThis is absolutely not true. Fertilizer has TNT and Nitro chemicals in it, perfum, heart medicine, road constuction chemicals, road salt, and countless other materials will all cause a rig to hit for explosives. I suggest having it cleaned before air travel. I just travelled to Florida in Jan. I had no trouble and my rig was just washed. would seem to be easier to wash your hands and keep your rig out of areas that it might be exposed to such corrosive chemicals in the first place. what i was disputing was your claim that a AAD is a IED () not that there werent at least a few ways to get a 'false positive' for explosives.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #72 February 18, 2004 **************************************** Could you possible offer documentation on CORRECT procedures that the TSA are required to follow. The on going trouble is still based on "Who >feels< like handling gear the RIGHT way" rather than a national policy or practice. Vilolating our constituional rights of life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness is NOT a great way to treat skydivers. It is hazzardous to our lives. being with the TSA allows you certain benefits of carrying a rig aboard that we don't have. If you have a SET procedure for us to avoid such harm, it would be appreciated. (It is a stressful job, I understand. Ray Kaiser told me why he resigned as Head of U.S. Boarder Patrol & Customs at the time he did)_______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sweetjava77 0 #73 February 19, 2004 The procedures are explained in AVO6100-47. Unfortunately this is Sensite Security Information. However, the USPA website gives a good, accurate summary of the AVO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #74 February 19, 2004 just flew into PHX (again) was given more grief because i decided i didnt need to take my shoes off (they've been thru hundreds of airport screens without issue) than for my rig...in fact when i was 'randomly pulled aside' they didnt even look at my rig or my laptop but instead did a complete overkill with the wand (which didnt beep once on me no matter how many times he waved it over me..) i think the screener was almost annoyed that his wand wasnt beeping ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #75 February 19, 2004 Quotejust flew into PHX (again) was given more grief because i decided i didnt need to take my shoes off (they've been thru hundreds of airport screens without issue) than for my rig...in fact when i was 'randomly pulled aside' they didnt even look at my rig or my laptop but instead did a complete overkill with the wand (which didnt beep once on me no matter how many times he waved it over me..) i think the screener was almost annoyed that his wand wasnt beeping Some times if you get a TSA person who stands too close to the magnitometer themselves it will alarm as you pass through. I believe there are marking tape on each side of the magnitometer. I always check to see if they are standing behind their line as I pass through. Neet little trick huh? If there's no mark on the ground for them to stand behind then I guess your just gonna have to go with the flow and get secondary screening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
