JohnnyMarko 1 #1 October 29, 2010 Got this update on the USPA webpage. Anyone know why it was released? http://www.uspa.org/Portals/0/Downloads/SB_CYPRES_2010_10_29.pdf ETA: Just saw this posted in the Incidents Forum on the Archway Incident. Figured a separate thread could be started. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #2 October 29, 2010 Here it is attached, from the PIA website. I have no other information on way it was released.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #3 October 29, 2010 The NTSB will follow shortly and release a reminder to look left when crossing the road. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #4 October 29, 2010 I take it your not too happy about the 'bulletin'? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #5 October 29, 2010 Quote I take it your not too happy about the 'bulletin'? it's a safety notice :) and a fairly useless one. Anyone who has a rigging ticket or just a tiny bit of common sense should not need it. but no, I don't dislike it, I just find it redundant - those who don't pay attention to detail - will not pay attention to the notice. And those who will read it are not the intended target audience. Plus when closing a container I find it hard to miss a cutter staring at you with that open hole :) please tie your shoes, or you risk tripping over them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeteS 0 #6 October 30, 2010 Is it April already? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firemedic 7 #7 October 30, 2010 It's a CYA notice and, yes it is fairly useless Keep stirring the pot and the dregs will stay evenly distributed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slurp56 0 #8 October 30, 2010 Wow, was it really necessary to disturb Helmut to write and publish this safety notice? Perhaps he should have noted that you need to turn the unit on for it to work, too.________________________________________ I have proof-read this post 500 times, but I guarantee you'll still manage to find a flaw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #9 October 30, 2010 Quote Quote I take it your not too happy about the 'bulletin'? it's a safety notice :) and a fairly useless one. Anyone who has a rigging ticket or just a tiny bit of common sense should not need it. but no, I don't dislike it, I just find it redundant - those who don't pay attention to detail - will not pay attention to the notice. And those who will read it are not the intended target audience. Plus when closing a container I find it hard to miss a cutter staring at you with that open hole :) please tie your shoes, or you risk tripping over them. While I see and somewhat agree with your point; reminders don't hurt anyone and maybe will spark a thought. Before an "instructor" failed to give his student the standard 3 safety checks, no one ever worried about wingsuits and legstraps, either. Now...people joke at least once a week "got your legstraps on" when they see me or a student in a WX. It used to annoy me. Now I appreciate it because it tells me people are thinking and even if it takes macabre humor to prevent another fatality; so be it. True, a lot of skydivers don't know (and don't care about) the art and mechanics of rigging, but this notice might inspire someone to ask a question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Throttlebender 0 #10 October 30, 2010 +1Life expands or contracts in proportion to one's courage. ~Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #11 October 30, 2010 Bingo. What he said.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #12 October 30, 2010 Quote I just find it redundant - those who don't pay attention to detail - will not pay attention to the notice. And those who will read it are not the intended target audience The idea is being floated in the incidents forum about this being related to the Archway fatality where a student went in with a Cypres equipped rig, and an intact reserve closing loop. Enough time has pssed in that incident for the police to have located an independent rigger to inspect the gear, and for the Cypres to have made it to SSK for download. There has certainly been speculation as to the operation of the Cypres, and if there was a problem in that operation, and provided that Airtec found the unit to have fired at the correct altitude, this statement would absolve Airtec of any involvement in that incident as far as the general public is concerned. Keep in mind that if the loop was outside of the cutter, I'm pretty sure that Airtec would have been informed as such before the Cypres arrived for download. Seeing as that information will surely play a role in the investigation, and impending lawsuit, you can see why Airtec would not come right out and say that was the case. In the absence of that, the existing statement about putting the loop through the cutter is the best they can do to clear their 'good name' at this point in time. The more I think about it, even if Airtec was not told that the loop was outisde of the cutter, I have seen macro photos of other cutters that show loop fibers on and around the cutter after an activation. If that unit activated 'clean', Airtec may have reached their conclusion in that way. Or course, this is all just pure speculation. The statement may have no relation to the Archway fatality, and Airtec might have just felt like issuing a friendly reminder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #13 October 30, 2010 Quote Bingo. What he said. Ditto! Thanks DSE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #14 October 30, 2010 Just a friendly reminder to pay attention to the basics. With the high turn-over of young jumpers, this may be the first time some of them have heard it. As for the rest of us grumpy, old, grey-bearded Master Riggers ... senility is setting in so fast that some of us need to be reminded of stuff that should be second nature .. like putting on pants in the morning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #15 November 1, 2010 Note to Rob: It's now 12:32 pm.....don't forget to put your pants on in the morning.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #16 November 1, 2010 Quote Note to Rob: It's now 12:32 pm.....don't forget to put your pants on in the morning. And don't put the shoes on until the pants are on. Gary Larson did a Far Side cartoon on this, I found THIS photo reenactment of it. I don't need that sign myself... yet"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #17 November 1, 2010 QuoteGot this update on the USPA webpage. Anyone know why it was released? http://www.uspa.org/Portals/0/Downloads/SB_CYPRES_2010_10_29.pdf ETA: Just saw this posted in the Incidents Forum on the Archway Incident. Figured a separate thread could be started. You gotta be kiddin'.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #18 November 1, 2010 A note on the shoes: TGIF... Toes Go In First! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RIGGER 0 #19 November 1, 2010 I did found in the past a Reflex h/c that the reserve closing loop was OUT of the AAD cutter. It was I&R by an FAA rigger in the USA. I found it during Pre-Jump inspection when the owner came to our DZ & came for a Rigger System Check - he jumped it like that in few DZ across the USA - never found. Easy to see it on Racers, Reflex, Tear Drop when looking into the back grommet where the cutter is set from the inside. Riggers at all levels must check that point twice during the repack process. Be Safe!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #20 November 1, 2010 Speaking of remembering to pull on pants every morning ... The last couple of days, I wore a kilt to work and the supervisor did not even bat an eye! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #21 November 1, 2010 It takes a manly-man to wear a kilt. Your supervisor might have been a bit envious. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #22 November 1, 2010 Quote It takes a manly-man to wear a kilt. Your supervisor might have been a bit envious. Chuck Naw... she was wondering if its true what they say about what a man wears under his kilt ...Always remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #23 November 1, 2010 It does seem that if a new rigger following an older manual (or one used to packing such systems that did not have a Cypres) that missing the Cypres cutter would be easier on a Racer/Reflex type. But at least it is visible from outside a closed rig of these types. Personally I prefer packing rigs like the Jav, where once the closing loop is (properly) installed, you don't have to fuss with the cutter during the packing. But I think it would be nice if it was something the owner/jumper could see/verify. JW JWAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #24 November 1, 2010 Quote Quote It takes a manly-man to wear a kilt. Your supervisor might have been a bit envious. Chuck Naw... she was wondering if its true what they say about what a man wears under his kilt ... Which reminds me of a 'kilt' story... A woman from the good ol' US of a was visiting Scotland and noticed the guard at Edinburgh castle. She approached the guard who was rigidly at attention. She asked in a whisper, what he wore under his kilt. the guard responded with a heavy Scottish accent; 'If ya' reach up under there, you'll know!' The woman looked around and reached-up under the guard's kilt. She quickly withdrew her hand and told the guard; 'It's gruesome!' The guard replied; 'Aye! and if ya' reach up under there again, it'll grew some more!' Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
