julia.germany 0 #1 November 2, 2010 hey! i just made my aff license and am now looking out for my first own parachute (got a rig already). should i choose a safire 2, a sabre 2 or rather a pulse? which questions could make my choice easier? i know that i have lots to learn and would like to have a parachute which is responding but not unforgiving... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #2 November 3, 2010 Quotehey! i just made my aff license and am now looking out for my first own parachute (got a rig already). should i choose a safire 2, a sabre 2 or rather a pulse? which questions could make my choice easier? i know that i have lots to learn and would like to have a parachute which is responding but not unforgiving... they are all great canopies with a strong following and good resale value - it would be ideal if you could demo each one and make the choice yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GLIDEANGLE 1 #3 November 3, 2010 Add a Pilot to your list of canopies to demo. The jumpers who fly them seem to LOVE them. http://www.flyaerodyne.comThe choices we make have consequences, for us & for others! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MorfiusX 0 #4 November 3, 2010 I don't have a lot of experience with different canopies, but I've been trying out a friends Saffire 2. Did a hop and pop with it and it was the softest opening I've ever had. With only a couple test jumps on it, I'm really liking it. Not that I am recommending one thing over another, just some thoughts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
727_Jumper 0 #5 November 3, 2010 I'll second the "demo" advice.. seriously. try 'em out, see which ones you like best. you have a rig already, I know that PD will let you demo what ever they have for a week or two, check their website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petejones45 0 #6 November 3, 2010 QuoteAdd a Pilot to your list of canopies to demo. The jumpers who fly them seem to LOVE them. http://www.flyaerodyne.com good canopy but you have to make sure you get a good one, there was batch that was made with a built in turnLook out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
erdnarob 1 #7 November 3, 2010 You should choose a Pulse since that parachute is the most advanced of the three canopies you mention. On a PULSE openings are faster than a Safire 2 and slower than a Sabre 2 but they stay very comfortable. Toggles pressure is very soft, you will travel a lot because of its flat glide and since you are a beginner, packing will be easier too due to the hybrid construction. Learn from others mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petejones45 0 #8 November 3, 2010 Quotepacking will be easier too due to the hybrid construction. but will also wear out fasterLook out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #9 November 3, 2010 QuoteQuotepacking will be easier too due to the hybrid construction. but will also wear out faster ......................................................................... Who cares how fast the bottom skin wears out, when the top skin is doing most of the work?????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
julia.germany 0 #10 November 3, 2010 i think trying out is a good idea... i hope, i have the possibility to do so on my dropzone... for the pulse i have to look out for an pd event in germany... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
julia.germany 0 #11 November 3, 2010 thank you. i will have a look on this... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
julia.germany 0 #12 November 3, 2010 sounds good :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #13 November 3, 2010 Aerodyne has reps in Europe and should make it easier for you to get a demo, since they dont have to ship one from the US. All of your choices are pretty good, but IMHO, I think the Pilot is the best beginner canopy on the market. Great soft openings and easy to fly. But try as many as you can and make a decision for yourself.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #14 November 3, 2010 Quote hop-n-pop with it and it was the softest opening I've ever had. Most canopies will open nice and soft when you are just doing a hop-n-pop. Take it to terminal, then you can judge what does and doesnt have a soft opening.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #15 November 3, 2010 Quote .... packing will be easier too due to the hybrid construction. Don't underestimate the importance of this if you are buying new and find packing a "challenge"."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #16 November 3, 2010 QuoteYou should choose a Pulse since that parachute is the most advanced of the three canopies you mention. On a PULSE openings are faster than a Safire 2 and slower than a Sabre 2 but they stay very comfortable. Toggles pressure is very soft, you will travel a lot because of its flat glide and since you are a beginner, packing will be easier too due to the hybrid construction I bet the Pulse is a good canopy. PD rarely puts out a crappy one, but.....Since she is a beginner maybe she should follow PD's recommendation on what is a good beginner canopy. Here is a quote from there own website. Doesn't say a newbie shouldn't jump it, but they don't say it is a newbie canopy. ***The Pulse is a lightly elliptical nine cell canopy designed for the active intermediate to experienced "fun jumper." Pack volume has been reduced significantly, by combining our proprietary low bulk fabric technology with our well-known zero-p fabric. The Pulse can give you stress free on heading openings, a very flat glide and easy landings. It is highly responsive, very capable, and lots of fun to fly. QuoteDom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #17 November 4, 2010 They also apparently recommend it for Student and Novice jumpers as shown on their wing loading chart. For example, Student wing loading is shown as: Pulse-190 140 (64) Pulse-210 157(71) Pulse-230 172(78) Pulse-260 195(89)My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites erdnarob 1 #18 November 4, 2010 Julia has already 30 jumps then it's the time for her to go and buy a parachute suitable for her for the next 100-200 jumps and more maybe. All depends on the loading factor. She didn't mention her weight then I would say a loading factor of 1- 1.2 should be OK. However she should be briefed by a current and knowledgeable instructor before jumping any canopies having more performances than a student canopy. The student recommended loadings seem to be a little bit conservative. If Julia is weighting say 130 lbs + 25 lbs (for equipment) that means a total exit weight of 155 lbs. Jumping a Pulse 170 will makes a loading factor of 0.9 which is fine (with a good briefing : staying straight forward for landing with plenty of space ahead). Before jumping a 170 I suggest she jumps several times a 210 then a 190 canopy to get used to the increased speed. note : the Safire 2 and the Sabre 2 are also slightly semi elliptical, nothing wrong with that. Learn from others mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
popsjumper 2 #17 November 4, 2010 They also apparently recommend it for Student and Novice jumpers as shown on their wing loading chart. For example, Student wing loading is shown as: Pulse-190 140 (64) Pulse-210 157(71) Pulse-230 172(78) Pulse-260 195(89)My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
erdnarob 1 #18 November 4, 2010 Julia has already 30 jumps then it's the time for her to go and buy a parachute suitable for her for the next 100-200 jumps and more maybe. All depends on the loading factor. She didn't mention her weight then I would say a loading factor of 1- 1.2 should be OK. However she should be briefed by a current and knowledgeable instructor before jumping any canopies having more performances than a student canopy. The student recommended loadings seem to be a little bit conservative. If Julia is weighting say 130 lbs + 25 lbs (for equipment) that means a total exit weight of 155 lbs. Jumping a Pulse 170 will makes a loading factor of 0.9 which is fine (with a good briefing : staying straight forward for landing with plenty of space ahead). Before jumping a 170 I suggest she jumps several times a 210 then a 190 canopy to get used to the increased speed. note : the Safire 2 and the Sabre 2 are also slightly semi elliptical, nothing wrong with that. Learn from others mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
