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I feel we're each our individual selves. There is no one else out there like you/me, etc. I don't see a problem with cloning animals but not humans. Our world is overpopulated as it is:P
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Nope, it shouldn't happen.



Why not, I can do far more good than bad.



So, what you are saying is, if you mutate a virus that becomes detremental to humanity - that's acceptable. That's not as bad as the alternative of leaving ithings as they are until such time as research can guarantee that that situation will not happen.
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So, what you are saying is, if you mutate a virus that becomes detremental to humanity - that's acceptable.

Has been done before by many countries, even the US.

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That's not as bad as the alternative of leaving ithings as they are until such time as research can guarantee that that situation will not happen.

We will never get the guarntee your talking about. Research is making different things from things we've never seen before. So no one can give you a guarntee it's not going to happen.

I believe if human cloning can help humanity then it should be looking into. Organ farming is out of the question. To produce a clone of yourself, so if your heart fails you have one on ice somewhere. That's not acceptable. Some may argue.. So be it.. I don't agree with some of the ideas that have popped up over human cloning.

As for the couple that has tried everything modern science knows to conceive a child. Well if cloning gets to the point it's feesible and safe I don't feel there is a problem with it. For it to become an option it needs to be researched.

When is it playing god you may ask.. It's not, it's science. Pure and simple.

There is no religion in science, it's science after all. Nothing but theory and fact. Black and White. The researchers can't let their beliefs filter into the research. They have to look at the raw data and be completely objective about the data.



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That article is not even about 'full' human cloning- it's about cloning stem cells from which new organs may be grown. I'm definitely in favor of research on that. As for making copies of people; from what I understand, all attempts of cloning primates have so far failed, so it's quite obvious that we don't know nearly enough to clone a human being- yet (Unless you believe the Raelians).

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I feel we're each our individual selves. There is no one else out there like you/me, etc. I don't see a problem with cloning animals but not humans. Our world is overpopulated as it is:P


See, I dont agree with you.

Cloning will produce someone who is physically almost the same as you. Not 100% (mythocondrial DNA will be from the donnor egg used to implant the subject DNA). That, in itself, is no big difference, but still is one.

Plus, really, we are not just our physical selves. I beleive we are just as much if not more a product of our environment and experiences. Even if tomorow I'm cloned (god forbid ;)) that person will end up being a completely different person then me.

That said, I dont think cloning should be used to replicate someone body. I dont see the point. I dont see the point of cloning cows either, other the pure research issue. For research, to enable to grown a genetically compatibale part in case of deseace (liver for exemple) if it becomes possible to "grow" this liver by itselt, without cloning a full person. Stem cell research too should be persued. It then becomes a case of what to allow in research....
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I believe if human cloning can help humanity then it should be looked into. Organ farming is out of the question. To produce a clone of yourself, so if your heart fails you have one on ice somewhere. That's not acceptable.

I'm bad at not giving detail to my comments....sorry. I agree with you on this Slappie!
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That article is not even about 'full' human cloning- it's about cloning stem cells from which new organs may be grown. I'm definitely in favor of research on that.

I have to agree here, I'm all for stem cell research. That has so many different ways to help humanity and help stamp out major diseases and some types of cancer.



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A cloned person would be an identical twin. If you've ever met identical twins, you know that they can be very different. You can clone physical characteristics, but not personalities. Personally, I really don't see the difference between cloning and in vitro fertilization, other than cloning being much more complex, resulting in a pre-selected set of physical characteristics, rather than the randomness currently provided by IVF.

Do I think cloning a person is a good idea? HELL NO. Mainly because of the emotional implecations involved. For parents wanting to have a child, IVF is a very valid option. Cloning is a needless option. There's no medical reason to pre-select what your child is going to look like, and you'd have parents cloning their kids who die. Parents cloning dead children just wigs me out, and can't possibly be psychologically healthy for the new child.

Cloning individual organs? GREAT IDEA. That way, organ transplants can take place without the possibility of rejection. This is an option that needs to be thoroughly explored.

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My quick thoughts...

1. I have no problems whatsoever with human cloning for reproduction.

2. I have huge problems with cloning embryos/babies that will be destroyed or otherwise killed.

3. I have no problem cloning an organ or whatnot to help those in need of transplants.

As for people with the cinematic idea that cloning will make a duplicate of a person exactly and have this idea of Michael Keaton in Multiplicity or Arnold Schwarzenegger in The 6th Day....that's highly highly inaccurate.
it would be more like an identical twin born years (or decades) later. Identical twins are unique individuals with their own opinions, feelings, thoughts, experiences, personalities....
same for a clone.

those are my thoughts.

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Organ farming, growing clones to harvest their innards, etc



My (very basic) understanding is that you can grow the stem cells into organs without growing the full organism. At least potentially. So they would not be growing people to cut them up, they would be growing parts of people.

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My quick thoughts...

1. I have no problems whatsoever with human cloning for reproduction.

2. I have huge problems with cloning embryos/babies that will be destroyed or otherwise killed.

3. I have no problem cloning an organ or whatnot to help those in need of transplants.



Again, my (very basic) understand is that you have to destroy the embryo to grow the organs.

[reconsidering because I can't remember when it technically becomes an embryo]
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Cloning individual organs? GREAT IDEA. That way, organ transplants can take place without the possibility of rejection. This is an option that needs to be thoroughly explored.



OK, I've got a question for everyone. Let's say stem cell research goes on and a few years down the road we can clone organs without making a new person. How do you all feel about growing "improved" organs?

Like let's say the air turns (more) sour, and some people go out and get new lungs. Or people who have new eyes grown that have better than perfect vision. Or new noses that are as a good as a dog so you can work drug and explosive interdiction without the dog. How would you all feel about that?
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Again, my (very basic) understand is that you have to destroy the embryo to grow the organs. [reconsidering because I can't remember when it technically becomes an embryo]



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At this stage, approximately 100 cells, the stem cells should be removable.



Forgive me for saying this... but I just do not see how harvesting 100 cells is the same as killing a human life. If that's all it takes to potentially find a cure for parkinsons and diabetes, and grow organs... then this is quite worth it.

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My quick thoughts...

1. I have no problems whatsoever with human cloning for reproduction.

2. I have huge problems with cloning embryos/babies that will be destroyed or otherwise killed.

3. I have no problem cloning an organ or whatnot to help those in need of transplants.



Again, my (very basic) understand is that you have to destroy the embryo to grow the organs.

[reconsidering because I can't remember when it technically becomes an embryo]



You don't need to have an embryo in order to have stem cells...we all have stem cells in our bodies, and can harvest stem cells from umbilical cord blood.

there never has to be an embryo to have stem cells. (it becomes an embryo as soon as conception has occurred...or when the proverbial egg is zapped and begins acting as it is fertilized)

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This is one of those topics where people have their opinions and it is highly unlikely that debating the issue will change anything. However, I would ask that you consider the long-term or 'end game' of this topic. Those of you that are in favor of banning this type of research need to consider two things:

1- this type of research WILL be done and this technology WILL be developed

2- If you want to have any influence in controlling how the research is used, it must be kept here

If laws are enacted in the Western world to ban stem cell and cloning research it will simply move elsewhere.

just my $0.02

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Forgive me for saying this... but I just do not see how harvesting 100 cells is the same as killing a human life. If that's all it takes to potentially find a cure for parkinsons and diabetes, and grow organs... then this is quite worth it.



Depends on if you are harvesting cells...or if you're killing an embryo.

It also depends on if you're prolife or prochoice and what you think the embryo is (a lump of cells or a human life) and what rights you feel the embryo should have.
thus the never ending abortion debate. ;)

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That's not my position exactly, but go tell that to the pro-lifers. As far as they're concerned, the morning after pill is killing a human life.

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...quite worth it



Everyone need to make that decision for themselves.
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