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I have seen an emergance of a DZ.com Elite, so to say. Whatever, why stress about it?



Who is stressing. I find it funny since most will not amount to much in the sport or contribute much of anything. This is the only place that they actually have a say in anything. :D

Although a couple know a bunch about the sport most do not.

Most are one break away from quitting.

I; like a couple of moderators have been around long enough to see it happen. Those individuals never survive the sport. Meaning they stop skydiving eventually. :D

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Hrm, are you rich by any chance? I really wanna marry a rich "old guy" with a weak heart



Rich? Remember the part where I mentioned that I skydive? All my cash goes for Jet-A. When I grow up, I'm going to get a real job, then I'll be rich and we can get married. However, until then, could we just live in sin and you support me? I'm not any good in bed, but I make up for the lack of skill with enthusiasm. :)

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When I met him at the bar, I told him straight out that I made a post to get dirt on him.



However, shouldn't he have been told prior to the post?

Yes, I know Phree and know he's got a good sense of humor.

However, if someone is going to post something like that, the individual that it's being posted about should have the knowledge that it's going to happen and be in a position that they can respond to the post as it happens instead of having to wait for awhile to see the post. That way, there is no chance of any one mis-understanding the post.

Knowing that someone can't see a post like that could cause unnecessary mis-understandings and be taken as an attack.
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You don't have to personally know the moderators to see that what they delete/leave out there shows good judgment.



NOt necessarily there Vallerina. There are definitely some personal issues out there. If they cannot separate themselves from it then they should not be Moderators.

I can say this from experience as I have had several leadership responsibilities in the Military. You cannot get along with everyone. Just don't use your power to put someone down. That is a weak way of handling things.

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People often make comments that reference their common experiences. I guess that would make people feel excluded. Sometimes it is just a matter of geography.



True Bill; but don't have a problem with what someone says because you do not know them personally. That is part of the point of this thread. You have also been around long enough to know that most will not stay in the sport. :D

I personally try to do anything I can to help people. The people who know me understand that I love to have a good time. Some don't understand a good time because they have lived a sheltered life though. That could possibly be the issue with some people on here. Even the moderators. I have no idea since I do not know everyone on a personal level.

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"HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!"
"Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES

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Rich? Remember the part where I mentioned that I skydive? All my cash goes for Jet-A. When I grow up, I'm going to get a real job, then I'll be rich and we can get married. However, until then, could we just live in sin and you support me? I'm not any good in bed, but I make up for the lack of skill with enthusiasm



It's my dream to work hard and support a man. You'll need a couple of brand new rigs and on the weekends i'll stay on the ground to pack for you. I'll meet you in the landing area of the sunset load with a nice cold beer and give you a blowjob while you drink it....

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NOt necessarily there Vallerina. There are definitely some personal issues out there. If they cannot separate themselves from it then they should not be Moderators.


If they can't do that, I'm sure HH is aware of it, and I'm sure he handles it how he deems.

#1 Thing you have to remember: this ain't no damn democracy!!! It's HH's site. He can do whatever he wants with it. Sure, he accepts suggestions (there's even a forum for it!), and this topic has been brought up before.

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I can say this from experience as I have had several leadership responsibilities in the Military. You cannot get along with everyone. Just don't use your power to put someone down. That is a weak way of handling things.


I don't think that's a military thing. That logic applies just as much in the corporate world (except in the corporate world, people get sued for doing more "wrongs" than in the military.) Once again, moderators are human. They are not perfect. Their actions won't always be either.
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However, if someone is going to post something like that, the individual that it's being posted about should have the knowledge that it's going to happen and be in a position that they can respond to the post as it happens instead of having to wait for awhile to see the post. That way, there is no chance of any one mis-understanding the post.



Oh, please! How can asking for dirt for someone be even compared to personal attacks? :S Someone could have told me, "Phree doesn't wash his hands after using the restroom. Don't share appetizers with him if he goes." I would have been very appreciative to hear that. :P

Seriously, when I moderate, personal attacks in my mind are when they say, "you are a _________", and when you can tell that they are an attack by looking at the whole context and tone of the post.
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because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon

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I don't think that's a military thing. That logic applies just as much in the corporate world (except in the corporate world, people get sued for doing more "wrongs" than in the military.)



I did not say it was a military thing young lady.

The point was that I have experience being a leader. In order to be a good one you need to be able to segregate your feelings about people you do not like and do what is proper. It has nothing to do with being human. A TRUE LEADER CAN DO THIS!

Now I understand you do not feel well so take some meds, and a nap then come read it again when you feel better. I only say this because you have said that you do not feel well and admitted yourself that you cannot concentrate on work.


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"HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!"
"Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES

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Oh, please! How can asking for dirt for someone be even compared to personal attacks?



The same way you moderate.

It is the way you personally percieve it.

That has already been proven and when you don't particularly care for something from your own personal view.

I mean you have to be honest with yourself first.

I am the first to admit I can be a real ASSHOLE. I can also be really helpful. I prefer to be the later half.

I can also segregate myself from things and see it from many angles. Then again I have had it drilled into me.

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"HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!"
"Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES

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You have a good point. I do feel that I have to watch what "I" say but, those that feel self important don't seem to have much regard for me or my consideration not to just say it how it is.:|
I kind but, I'm still from New York.;)
(...and it's the same people,as for most, that I would offer a place to stay if needed)
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I; like a couple of moderators have been around long enough to see it happen. Those individuals never survive the sport. Meaning they stop skydiving eventually. :D

Laters,

.



EVERYONE stops skydiving eventually.:P
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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I like all the greenies and think they do a wonderful job. If you have some kind of problem with them, maybe it's time to step away from the key board. Or better yet, see if HH will let you be a greenie for a few days, and then you can show us what a great job you do. Then, we'll all be patting you on your back saying how wonderful you are ;)
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EVERYONE stops skydiving eventually.



I have said it many times:

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ONLY ONE THING WILL STOP ME FROM SKYDIVING, DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



You can read about my injuries, one from skydiving and others not. I have outlived my lives! Anyone who knows me can tell you that. Oh, and yes I do have pictures! :D:S:ph34r:

Laters,

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The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!

"HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!"
"Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES

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Are we feeling a bit sensitive today Kra?

Take a Xanax and drink a beer, it'll be ok.:P

(Besides, as long as you put the smileys in the right places, and use "Smiley Etiquite(sp)" you can get away with a lot more:P)


ALL OF HE ABOVE: my favorite style too (?Xanax? busparone is cheaper.....where my bottle!)
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> I guess you have to be on the in crowd of DropZone.com. What a Shame. <

I consider myself to be on the in crowd of dropzone.com.

Well more like on the outside looking in, but I guess thats something:S
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The same way you moderate.

It is the way you personally percieve it.



Moderating is not an exact science. What one person finds offensive, other people do not. Still, we all try to be an extension of Sangiro, and do what we feel he would do. I probably delete, lock and move posts way less than you think I do. Do I get it wrong sometimes? Sure, I'm only human, and I've never professed to be perfect.

If you have a problem with my moderating or any other greenies, send HH a pm.
She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man,
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon

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I usually agree with HappyThoughts on most everything he says.. He has more common sense than most..



WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! - you know this is going to be his new sig line
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Heh, I guess from reading your post, you would consider me part of the "in" crowd since I post a lot and I know a lot of the folks on the site personally?

Wish I would have known, I have crap deleted all the time and I get PMs from the greenies telling me I'm getting out of line, etc.

They're just doing what they were asked to do. Furthermore, they're doing it for free. Sort of like this site, its free for us, but it costs HH on the upwards of $15k a year to run. Thats out of his own pocket. Sure, he has advertisers, but have you seen the rates? How much do you really think he makes? Enough to buy the sysadmin/programmer a beer sometimes. That person happens to be himself, he's done all of this because he wanted to, all he asks is for some civility.
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