Just my .02

[Darius11 12]

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So -- is this your first flaming thread

Wendy W.

Oh no no BEER FOR YOU
I fell for that one once

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[kelel01 1]

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your seeming a little tense. would a shoulder rub help? It'd be my pleasure.

Yes, please. That would be wonderful.

See, the problem is, I am friends with Darius and JKM2500, and I am simply defending the one I think is more right in this instance. And JKM2500 and I happen to be the same not-so-popular religion (not Muslim, in case that wasn't clear), so we know what it's like to have people look down on us for it. That's part of why I was so upset by his post.

[Darius11 12]

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The reason I am offended is as I said before not the poster and his statement.
The fact that every one was ok with it or didn’t care enough to say any thing about it.

Don't take this the wrong way, but maybe the reason that no one protested is because we 'understand' and 'tolerate' and 'accept' other opinions better than you?, please, this is NOT a personal attack, is just my opinion.

No Ivan I don't think of that as a personal attack. You are cool in my book
But you kind of said what was my main problem with the whole thing. Would you have Tolerated that post if it was about what you believe in. That is what I meant by hypocrisy.

For every one else thank you for your posts I am going home. Peace

Darius

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Zenister 0]

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Easy everyone.....respect each other, and their opinions. Did I notice the comment...yes. Did I ponder it....yes. But I also internalized it. It took a lot for the origional poster to share his feelings and thoughts.

Very true, and if you'll refer to my first post in this thread, you'll see that I agree with you.

But (and this is in response to Zenister, mostly) how someone cannot understand that religion is an extremely touchy subject is beyond me. Religion is like family-- if I call your Mom a fat bitch, I sure as hell expect that you're gonna get offended. I don't think this would classify someone as sensitive or "waiting to be offended."

see that would be a personal problem then, if you wear your religion on your sleeve your absolutely 'waiting to be offended' anytime someone mentions it in a light you perceive as negative..

the issue is still however your perception, not the actual statement of opinion.

and whats really silly is there isnt any arguing with his stated opinion anyway..

God isnt muslim
or christian
or buddhist
or jewish

or human.

so anyone becoming offended over such an opinion is ludicrous, what do you want? a retraction? "God is muslim?"

really?

seems that that statement contains more offense than the original, it just doesn’t offend one specific group…

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[CrazyIvan 0]

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Would you have Tolerated that post if it was about what you believe in. That is what I meant by hypocrisy

Good to know that we can have a civilized discussion.

And regarding your comment, if that was targeted to something I believe, quite frankly I'd tolerate it, I might not like it, but for sure tolerate it.

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[lawrocket 3]

Just remember what else he wrote:

"Opinions are just that. If you don’t like mine that is your right, but that doesn’t make me wrong."

He stated an opinion.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kelel01 1]

Ok, I can't argue with you anymore. You're talking in circles.

You know that that statement was meant to indicate that Muslims are not right in the eyes of God-- it was not a polite statement with no ill will behind it. He might not have INTENDED for someone to be hurt by it, but he couldn't have THOUGHT that it wouldn't do so.

Period.

Kelly

[crapflinger2000 1]

You guys are both Rastafarian Koreshians? Wow.

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[kelel01 1]

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You guys are both Rastafarian Koreshians? Wow.

How'd you know?

[Zenister 0]

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Ok, I can't argue with you anymore. You're talking in circles.

You know that that statement was meant to indicate that Muslims are not right in the eyes of God-- it was not a polite statement with no ill will behind it. He might not have INTENDED for someone to be hurt by it, but he couldn't have THOUGHT that it wouldn't do so.

Period.

Kelly

actually i dont know anything of the sort, you are assuming an intent.

its really pretty straight forward actually..

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[downwardspiral 0]

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Just remember what else he wrote:

"Opinions are just that. If you don’t like mine that is your right, but that doesn’t make me wrong."

He stated an opinion.

Just because it is opinion doesn't mean people don't have the right to state their opinion concerning his opinion.

just my opinion

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[skybytch 273]

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You know that that statement was meant to indicate that Muslims are not right in the eyes of God

I read that statement. I don't - and without talking to the poster directly can't - know what the poster meant to indicate, what his intentions were by posting it and/or if he thought that it might hurt someone's feelings.

I can only know what my perceptions of that statement are. With the exception of the person who posted the statement, none of us can possibly know anything about that statement other than our own perceptions.

Period.

[lawrocket 3]

Each religion is persecuted by other religions in one way or another. Judeo-christians have the same God, but one accepts Jesus and the other does not. Hence, the conflict.

Religion is deeply personal. Those who receive attacks on religion may perceive it in a harsh way. But, is not one of the tenets of a religious belief a continuing belief in the face of attack?

Christianity was shocking to the Romans. Why? The Christians would sing upon being executed. Jesus Himself asked God to forgive those who would put them to death, for they did not understand.

One may proselytize religion upon listeners, but all religions also know and teach that any belief must come from the heart. Therefore, arguments over such things do not go far.

Why not accept, as all religions do, that part of the religious experience is the pain experienced when those attack the beliefs of the heart? It is part of what makes religions work - the sacrifice, the pain, and the glory of the believers.

Heed not what others say about your religion, for they do not understand. Do not get offended, for your beliefs are your own and not those of others. Focus on your religion and not that of others, for is not the Golden Rule to do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

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Just remember what else he wrote:

"Opinions are just that. If you don’t like mine that is your right, but that doesn’t make me wrong."

He stated an opinion.

Just because it is opinion doesn't mean people don't have the right to state their opinion concerning his opinion.

just my opinion

True, true...

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kelel01 1]

Lawrocket, that was a very nice way to put it. That has never occurred to me. I mean, persecution is a fact of life, that much I knew. But I never thought about it so courageously.

However, that doesn't mean we have to take it lying down. (I'm talking like I'm being persecuted, which I'm so not, but that's not the point.) Why is it so wrong to say, "That hurts my feelings."? Huh? Why does everyone have to tell people to shut the fuck up, stop their whining, they're bitching to hear themselves bitch, etc.?

People get upset about stuff. Fucking deal with it. It'll probably happen to you someday, too, if you have a heart. (Not you, lawrocket. I kind of got off topic from the beginning of my post.)

Kelly

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Religeon derives from God, not the other way around.

Ok how about this thought:

As man evolves so does God.

Is a chicken omelette redundant?

[Michele 1]

Hi, Darius...

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Maybe I am over reacting but it seems you can say any thing you want as long as it is about Muslims.

It's all right, but you also have to realize most people (all over, not just here) don't understand the separation between Wahhabism and Islam/Muslim. All you need to do is run "Wahhab" throught the search posts function, and you'll see what I mean.

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The post alone is not what is disturbing to me. The fact that no one else noticed it is.

Just a note here, too....and that is someone did notice it, and replied just perfectly to it. It's not hypocritical. Consider the entire post, not just one line. It was about someone's thought process, about what he, as a soldier in a war, is saying about what he has learned, his position, his perception. He says something on there about differing opinions, and for me, that summed up his position very well.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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bkdice wrote:

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opinions really are just that. i have my own opinions about religion, but i don't care to share them on the forum. however, some people would not agree and thats just how it is.

Yes, but this :

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#1 is that god does exists and he is not a Muslim

... was not in the for of an opinion. It is a statement. For one, i'd like to know how he knows that "God" exists at all. I mean, he's sounds pretty positive, and he even knows that he's not Muslim (which, btw, makes no sense as another poster mentioned). He must've met the guy, afterall, seeing as though he's so certain that he exists.

I think it was an ignorant statement. No one is sure there is a God. Many people probably THINK that they're sure there is/isn't a God, but how anyone could KNOW one way or another is beyond me.

Angela.

[JohnRich 4]

It's interesting that you found but one statement to complain about, out of the dozens that he made.

Okay, so you don't like his idea that god is not Muslim.
Fair 'nuff.

But I've also noticed that you haven't said anything in his favor about all the other things going on in his life over in Iraq. Like the fact that he is risking his life to set the Muslim Iraqi people free from the tyranny of Sadam Hussein.

Don't you think he deserves a huge pat on the back for helping your fellow Muslims be free?

Why did you focus only on one "negative", and fail to compliment him on this huge "positive"?

[lawrocket 3]

I understand, kel. Trust me. I know what persecution is, and what it is to be hurt, and to have my whole belief system challenged. The above comes from my experience, and my lessons learned.

I am not religious, though I am spiritual. I was the one attacked in my youth over my not being a Christian. My anger did little for me.

But I learned and I studied the doctrine and the faith. And I understood that often times, the injury to heart is the hardest to ignore. But, the heart is the most resilient part of the soul.

You need not take verbal assaults lying down. To tell a person that feelings were hurt is fine. But be glad you are strong-willed enough to not let those attacks hurt your core beliefs.

Is that not what your beliefs are about?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[flyangel2 2]

Well, I'm not going to read all this, but thought I'd attach this and let you all see what this guy is going through, and you are complaining about one line in his post

Edit to add: The pictures didn't come through, I'll see if I can add them some how.

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[KawiZX900 0]

I think all organized religion is pretty stupid and gets away from the source of "it"

no worse than Cartman on South Park saying whats goin down Jew boy?..!

I'd say you're not over reacting unless you awaken a sleeper cell.

just my .02 cents....

and in the military everybody bags on everybody else's mama don't get your panties in a bunch.

Accelerate hard to get them looking, then slam on the fronts and rollright beside the car, hanging the back wheel at eye level for a few seconds. Guaranteed reaction- Dave Sonsky

[3ringheathen 0]

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My .02 - Never discuss religion or politics with family & friends.

IMO, that's insane:

If you can't discuss these issues with family and friends, who can you discuss them with?

One reason discussing a controversial issue with a friend is good is that you already know something about them and want to maintain the relationship.

That's extra incentive to stay polite, and really try to understand their point of view.

It's far easier to dismiss someones differing viewpoint when you don't know them.
-Josh

If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive. -Me*
*Ron has accused me of plagiarizing this quote. He attributes it to Douglas Adams.

[Muenkel 0]

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I read that statement. I don't - and without talking to the poster directly can't - know what the poster meant to indicate, what his intentions were by posting it and/or if he thought that it might hurt someone's feelings.

I can only know what my perceptions of that statement are. With the exception of the person who posted the statement, none of us can possibly know anything about that statement other than our own perceptions.

Period.

Lisa,

This whole statement hurt my head. I have no reading comprehension skills right now. Either you're on Vicodin or I am.

Chris

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[skydivexxl 0]

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bkdice wrote:

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opinions really are just that. i have my own opinions about religion, but i don't care to share them on the forum. however, some people would not agree and thats just how it is.

Yes, but this :

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#1 is that god does exists and he is not a Muslim

... was not in the for of an opinion. It is a statement. For one, i'd like to know how he knows that "God" exists at all. I mean, he's sounds pretty positive, and he even knows that he's not Muslim (which, btw, makes no sense as another poster mentioned). He must've met the guy, afterall, seeing as though he's so certain that he exists.

I think it was an ignorant statement. No one is sure there is a God. Many people probably THINK that they're sure there is/isn't a God, but how anyone could KNOW one way or another is beyond me.

Angela.

I believe (hence OPINION) that people, when facing death, will see a version of god, whatever that may be to the individual... and that will be a fact to them!

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