kelel01 1 #26 February 5, 2004 QuoteDid anyone notice that he misses his family? Yeah, but what's your point? And I'm not being a bitch; I'm seriously wondering . . . Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #27 February 5, 2004 QuoteQuoteDid anyone notice that he misses his family? Yeah, but what's your point? And I'm not being a bitch; I'm seriously wondering . . . Kelly It is one of 50+ private thoughts that JKM decided to share with us. His thoughts and observations. Now we sit here and bitch and whine about it. The moment I read #1 I could see the flames and lightning bolts coming, and like typical dropzonedotcommers we attacked him and his opinions....and now you attack me. Don't worry, I still have my Nomex flightsuit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #28 February 5, 2004 QuoteQuoteHow about if you don't try to start fights? Wow, another brilliant comment. Too bad the vast majority of the dz.commers are too childish to follow this great advice. They would rather sit at their computer and think of topics to get a rise out of people. You know, the typical religeon, politics, gun laws etc... threads. Think about how quickly these garbage threads would go away and how fast the dolts would stop posting them if we just ignored them. And when I refer to "garbage threads" I am not referring to Darius'. Darius is one of the more intelligent and mature posters here. The constant whining is in what way more productive than said threads? If you don't like it so much...why are you here or why do always post your hatred for those types of threads? Why not just ignore em like many people do?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #29 February 5, 2004 Is Nomex flame retardent? And I think the issue here is that Darius was OFFENDED . . . He's not bitching about somebody's choice to use/not use an RSL. Religion is a very personal thing, and when someone attacks it, it can be one of the most upsetting and painful subjects. And jkm's statement was lacking tact. Just my additional $.02, for a total of $.06 or so. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #30 February 5, 2004 yeah its a shame he put that at #1. It set the mood for the post and made me lose interest right away. Left me thinking....I didn't think the Marines were still over there.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #31 February 5, 2004 QuoteQuotekeeping responses to or comments about a post in the original thread Actually, he did comment in the original thread also. This is starting a new thread, about whom it's OK to bash, using that as the starting point. see the thing is the statement stands in context and isnt 'bashing' anyone.. QuoteSome things that I have learned here in Iraq. they are opinions based on individual observation. you cant accept or reject his opinions on any of his posted observations, but it still isnt bashing you or your religion, simply because you disagree with his observations... get over it. far to many people sit around 'waiting to be offended' go find God yourself.. he isnt christian either...its not a very difficult concept, why are you offended?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #32 February 5, 2004 Quotebut it still isnt bashing you or your religion Just wanted to point out the ridiculousness of this statment-- if you break it down word for word, phonetically, etc., it's not an offensive statement. If you read it like a human being with a brain in your head, you recognize that it was meant to bash the religion. It wasn't a random statement of fact. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #33 February 5, 2004 Interesting...I've reading this, and so far NO MUSLIM has posted a reply, perhaps because they're NOT offended or just don't care, the only one complaining is a person who like to "put himself in someone else's shoes", I see a problem there, in fact, "put yourself in someone else's shoes" and ask yourself if perhaps YOU are offending someone by 'guessing' what they 'might' feel or think. We are all entitled to our opinions, and sometimes we might offend someone...so what? you can't please/agree with everybody.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #34 February 5, 2004 QuoteI've reading this, and so far NO MUSLIM has posted a reply How do you know this? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #35 February 5, 2004 isn't darius muslim?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #36 February 5, 2004 QuoteIs Nomex flame retardent? Yes, are you offended? QuoteAnd I think the issue here is that Darius was OFFENDED 1/2 the stuff on dropzone.com can be considered offensive. RSLs, AADs, are also personal things, and everyone forms an opinion on them. QuoteAnd jkm's statement was lacking tact. Yes, it may be considered lacking tact, but again, they were his reflections. His intent was not to invoke a flame war. I'm out. PM if you want. I don't want to waste anymore time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #37 February 5, 2004 QuoteQuoteI've reading this, and so far NO MUSLIM has posted a reply How do you know this? Wendy W. My point exactly, how do I/WE know this offended anyone?__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #38 February 5, 2004 The reason I am offended is as I said before not the poster and his statement. The fact that every one was ok with it or didn’t care enough to say any thing about it. People on here argue and point out every thing that they might think is wrong. It was sad that no one thought that statement was wrong. After I posted this I see many people think it was wrong or at least not nice. I feel good when I see people are fair When you live in a place that in the last 3 years every one thinks ( most not having a clue what Islam is about) that Muslims are killers and are the lowest of the low you tend to get a little sensitive. Maybe it is just me but when I see something that is not right or flat out wrong. I well speak up. No one has to like what I say and that’s fine. This is not directed at you Zenister but to every one who is telling me to chill out. It is funny they can’t chill out about my post that is not insulting any thing they believe in but they expect me to not say any thing about something I feel strongly about.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #39 February 5, 2004 QuoteIf you read it like a human being with a brain in your head Easy everyone.....respect each other, and their opinions. Did I notice the comment...yes. Did I ponder it....yes. But I also internalized it. It took a lot for the origional poster to share his feelings and thoughts. There are greater issues in the world. Remember that much is lost in the way of nuance when writing in these forums. If you have issue with someone...take it to PM. B2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GARYC24 3 #40 February 5, 2004 "put himself in someone else's shoes One should always walk a mile in someone else's shoes before they criticise them.. That way..if they don't change their mind about them at least they got their shoes! har har. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #41 February 5, 2004 QuoteQuotebut it still isnt bashing you or your religion Just wanted to point out the ridiculousness of this statment-- if you break it down word for word, phonetically, etc., it's not an offensive statement. If you read it like a human being with a brain in your head, you recognize that it was meant to bash the religion. It wasn't a random statement of fact. really you can get into an authors head and tell us what they really meant?? literature classes must have been a breeze for you. it isnt a statement of fact at all, its an observed opinion, from a specific environment, one you have very little real knowledge of, but your all ready to tell everyone what the author "really meant to say" If your getting offending by someone else’s opinion on the nature of god....well you are a prime example of waiting to be offended crowd..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #42 February 5, 2004 you know I think you guys gave a good idea. I think I will send the author a PM. A nice respectful PM as I do respect what he is doing for us so we can sit here and have opinions.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #43 February 5, 2004 i'm jewish, living in israel which is pretty much the #1 terror struck place in the world. i should have every reasons to hate muslims, right? well wrong. i have a lot of respect to islam and i've enjoyed studying about it in school which makes me sad to see how it is used today to motivate people to do bad things (and yes, it exists with every religion in a way). i can understand why a US soldier in Iraq would have a problem with what's going on there in the name of Islam. its a pitty that too many people see only that side but the only people who can change that are guys like you who don't follow the way of "Jihad". P.S dont know what god is, but i'm pretty sure its a she... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #44 February 5, 2004 QuoteI noticed and it kinda bugged me a little bit, but I don't believe in god anyway, so WTF. Didn't think it worth stirring up a fuss about, especially concerning the rest of the things listed. The dude is over there busting his ass in our name, and I think he of all people is entitled to his opinion. Not like he is posting in the name of the US Army. I think I win this thread too! I WIN THE THREAD!!! I WIN THE THREAD!!! I WIN THE THREAD!!! I WIN THE THREAD!!! __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #45 February 5, 2004 So -- is this your first flaming thread Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdweller 0 #46 February 5, 2004 > The fact that every one was ok with it < I didn't realize you could read everyones mind on this subject. It seems to me, to make an absurd judgment like this is somewhat ridiculous.------------------------------------------------------ "From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" C. Montgomery Burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #47 February 5, 2004 QuoteEasy everyone.....respect each other, and their opinions. Did I notice the comment...yes. Did I ponder it....yes. But I also internalized it. It took a lot for the origional poster to share his feelings and thoughts. Very true, and if you'll refer to my first post in this thread, you'll see that I agree with you. But (and this is in response to Zenister, mostly) how someone cannot understand that religion is an extremely touchy subject is beyond me. Religion is like family-- if I call your Mom a fat bitch, I sure as hell expect that you're gonna get offended. I don't think this would classify someone as sensitive or "waiting to be offended." Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #48 February 5, 2004 your seeming a little tense. would a shoulder rub help? It'd be my pleasure.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #49 February 5, 2004 Quotehow someone cannot understand that religion is an extremely touchy subject is beyond me. Religion is like family-- if I call your Mom a fat bitch, I sure as hell expect that you're gonna get offended. I don't think this would classify someone as sensitive or "waiting to be offended." Well I can understand since there are people that don't believe in any religion. Therefore, they aren't offended. If my Mother were a fat bitch...that would be a true statement, so I wouldnt be offended by it. It is all a matter of perception. Sometimes....perceptions are off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #50 February 5, 2004 QuoteThe reason I am offended is as I said before not the poster and his statement. The fact that every one was ok with it or didn’t care enough to say any thing about it. Don't take this the wrong way, but maybe the reason that no one protested is because we 'understand' and 'tolerate' and 'accept' other opinions better than you?, please, this is NOT a personal attack, is just my opinion.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
