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It's well known that the UN inspectors were observing and assisting in their destruction.
Although the Iraqi people are/will be/won't be better off without Saddam, there's the small matter of breaking international law (the bit about removing foreign heads of state by force when not in time of war). But then again, breaking international law only matters when it's the people who talk funny who do it.
I'm desperately hoping Blair has to resign over all the shit he's dropped my country into, that way we might get a leader who doesn't bend over for Bush.
Nick
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that way we might get a leader who doesn't bend over for Bush.
Oh...he's not bending over for Bush. They're both bending over for a gang bang from the Wolfowitz cabal.
he complied with resolutions allowing people to search
When? Sure he let inspectors in to his country...however
UNSCR 687 - 3 April 1991
Ceasefire agreement at the end of the Gulf War:
Resolution 687 created a UN observer force to monitor the demilitarised zone.
The resolution also called for the destruction, removal or rendering harmless of:
All chemical and biological weapons, and all stocks of agents and components
All research, development, support and manufacturing facilities for ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150km and related repair and production facilities.
UNSCR 1137 - 12 November 1997
Iraqi travel restrictions outlined:
This measure condemned continuing violations of earlier resolutions by Iraq, and again demanded that Baghdad comply with the Unscom inspectors.
UNSCR 1284 - 17 December 1999
Unmovic established:
The United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (Unmovic) was created to replace Unscom.
Iraq was ordered to allow Unmovic teams immediate and unconditional access to any weapons sites and facilities.
The resolution also recognised the importance of a comprehensive approach to enforcing Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2246037.stm
You will find that all the resolutions quoted above were not complied with here http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect2.html
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[blair voice]Oh............yes.............I love it..........we must...............contine with this policy................[/blair voice]
Nick
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"I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!"
It's well known that the UN inspectors were observing and assisting in their destruction.
I've never heard that...can you please provide a link so I may be enlightened.
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Hey it upsets me too. They are my brothers and sisters in arms. I hate that they had to give their life and limbs to this cause, but spend a day with a large group of these men and women and you will find that the majority of us truly belive in what we are doing over there. Of course you will only see on the liberal media the few that they hunt down that will critize our mission and bitch about doing their job. I truly believe that our cause is a noble one. I also believe that our president went about presenting it to the public in the wrong way. He should have come straight out and said that we are going to end a tyrannical leaders reign of terror and free a suppressed nation of people. All you hear on TV is about the Iraqi's that are still shooting, not the majority of people who are greatly appreciative of what we are doing. Death and Tradgedy make for better stories than happiness. I wish we could have done all this without a single death, but that is not reality. Reality is this is war death is unavoidable, is it fair to their families, no, but this is our chosen profession we know what we are getting into. Semper Fi
I will be sure, always
SEMPER FI
I will be sure, always
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The resolutions weren't complied with? Hmmm, remember when the UN World Court told the US to get the hell out of Nicaragua in 1986 and it didn't? Guess there should have been a unilateral intervention in that case too then. The whole point of going outside the UN was that Iraq supposedly was bristling with WMD's and a pre emptive strike was ok because Iraq posed a direct threat to US national security. Now it's up to congress.
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World Court Rules on State-Sanctioned Violence: Nicaragua vs. USA
The World Court, without a working definition, cannot interpret terrorism per se, but it has ruled on the use of force by states against other states. In the case of Nicaragua v. United States of America (1986 I.C.J. 1 (June 27, 1986), by 12 votes to three, the court decided U.S. training, arming, equipping, and financing the contra forces and laying mines in the territorial waters of Nicaragua was a breach of its obligation "not to intervene in the affairs of another state" and "not to use force against another state."
Nicaragua’s recourse after objection to the ruling was a UN Security Council resolution stating that "all countries should abide by international law," but this was vetoed by Washington. Nicaragua took no violent retaliation and it would have been impossible (and maybe suicidal) to push for a Security Council resolution authorizing force under the "self-defense" clause of Article 51.
http://www.afsc.org/central/ia/fa0104.htm
Guess there should have been a unilateral intervention in that case too then.
I never said it was ok for the U.S. to invade. Please don't put words in my mouth or on my post.
I was simply replying to someone's statement that SH complied with UN resolutions.
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Sorry, should have said "before they were kicked out in 1998". My bad. I know I really should qualify it with a link, but I'm far to tired to bother, it's after midnight here, and I have the BPA AGM tomorrow. Hell, even if I did post a link someone else would find one refuting it, then I'd find another etc. etc.
Some of these threads turn out to be essentially pointless because each person posting knows what they think, and beleives they're more well-informed than the person taking a contrary position. But someone'll dispute that.
I get why lots of people want to kill Americans, and I get why American want to kill a lot of other people. Both sides are right, both sides are wrong. It's down to a lack of understanding, and a lack of willingness to understand, on both sides (and I include myself amongst the ignorami).
But that's my opinion.
Nick
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"I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!"
I took a look and couldn't find anything. I also couldn't find anything involving the UN arms inspectors from 1991-1998.
Perhaps someone else can take a look?
Perhaps someone else can take a look?
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Just a quickie, it's probably crap, but here's something. I just looked to satisfy myself, really.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_iraq_1.html
Nick
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"I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!"
http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_iraq_1.html
Nick
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"I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!"
That's better than what I found. Not saying it didn't happen. I just want to know more about what the UN inspectors did (as well as what SH did to hinder them) before they were kicked out of Iraq.
The problem I have is why was it necessary for SH to kick em out of Iraq? Did SH just throw em a bone trying to satisfy the UN only to kick them out when they continued to sniff around?
Its difficult for me to believe when SH says he doesn't have weapons of mass destruction when he consistently was evasive and uncooperative with UN inspectors. Do you honestly believe he didn't have WMDs proof or no proof?
The problem I have is why was it necessary for SH to kick em out of Iraq? Did SH just throw em a bone trying to satisfy the UN only to kick them out when they continued to sniff around?
Its difficult for me to believe when SH says he doesn't have weapons of mass destruction when he consistently was evasive and uncooperative with UN inspectors. Do you honestly believe he didn't have WMDs proof or no proof?
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