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There's a real easy way to stop auto-related deaths (No more cars!), but terrorism is a little more complicated.
How about no more terrorists.
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wmw999 2,545
QuoteHow about no more terrorists
How do you propose that?
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
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QuoteThere's a real easy way to stop auto-related deaths (No more cars!), but terrorism is a little more complicated.
How about no more terrorists.
Well that would be nice, but if you read the rest of my post you noticed that it's just a little more complicated. The fact is, we don't know who all the terrorists are or who the next will be. The only way to assure "no more terrorists" is just to kill everyone, including you and me. Or lock us all up, I'm sure the Bushies would be fine with this solution.
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Well that would be nice, but if you read the rest of my post you noticed that it's just a little more complicated..
I disagree. Getting rid of all of the cars would be just as complicated. It was an off the cuff response to what I think wasn't a very well thought out post.
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Well that would be nice, but if you read the rest of my post you noticed that it's just a little more complicated..
I disagree. Getting rid of all of the cars would be just as complicated. It was an off the cuff response to what I think wasn't a very well thought out post.
What's not thought out about it? Which is more likely to kill US citizens - cars or terrorism? You tell me. Pick one.
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You disagree with what? That it's complicated to get rid of all the terrorists? OK, tell me, since you have the list of all the terrorists, where are they, who are they, I'll go kill em my damn self and this will all be over.
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QuoteYou disagree with what? That it's complicated to get rid of all the terrorists? OK, tell me, since you have the list of all the terrorists, where are they, who are they, I'll go kill em my damn self and this will all be over.
Read the post before you respond.
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benny 0
QuoteQuoteYou disagree with what? That it's complicated to get rid of all the terrorists? OK, tell me, since you have the list of all the terrorists, where are they, who are they, I'll go kill em my damn self and this will all be over.
Read the post before you respond.
Read and re-read and still huh? Complicated as in it would screw up our entire system of life yes. But hey, a car's a car and I think we all know it. How do you know who the terrorists are? You don't, therefore you can't assure yourself that they're all gone until everybody's all gone.
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QuoteBut hey, a car's a car and I think we all know it. How do you know who the terrorists are? You don't, therefore you can't assure yourself that they're all gone until everybody's all gone.
Exactly. And so the "solution" is to not declare war on an amorphous concept such as "terrorism" because you simply cannot win. We should have already learnt this lesson with the "war" on drugs.
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Interesting conclusion based on what David Kay actually said 10/6/2003:
"SNOW: You also had heard that Saddam Hussein had gotten frustrated with the UN weapons inspectors and was simply ready to go ahead, regardless of their presence on his soil.
KAY: His senior head of the arms industry has told us that in 2000 he believed that Saddam had simply gotten fed up with the UN restrictions and was ready, in the face of them, to start restarting the program.
Now, the one piece of evidence that confirms that is in the missile area, where exactly that's when it restarted.
SNOW: And you also found propellants.
You mentioned that there are four classes. You had cruise missiles. You had the attempt to buy the Nodong missile from North Korea that can have a range of up to 1,300 kilometers, about 800 miles...
KAY: Right.
SNOW: ... and a series of other things. You had rocket propellants, correct?
KAY: Well, the rocket propellants are really an interesting story I'm surprised no one has picked up on. We have Iraqis now telling us that they continued, until 2001 or early 2002, to be capable of mixing and preparing Scud missile fuel.
Scud missile fuel is only useful in Scud missiles, no other class of missiles that Iraq has. And yet Iraq declared that it got rid of all of its Scud missiles in the early 1990s. Why would you continue to produce Scud missile fuel if you didn't have Scuds? We're looking for the Scuds.
SNOW: In speaking to reporters the other day, you also said that you were examining the possible cross-border transportation of arms into Syria, Jordan and Iran. Now, the Jordanian government has said, absolutely not true. Do you still think it's possible that arms could have made their way into Jordan?
KAY: Well, we're still examining what moved where. We have multiple reports from Iraqis of moving material. We do know that documents were taken to Jordan, because we're engaged in negotiations with someone who is in Jordan to recover those documents. I have no personal knowledge that weapons were moved into Jordan.
SNOW: Does this person in Jordan have any official relationship with the government, or is this a private citizen?
KAY: Oh, absolutely no official relationship with the government. He fled there, and he's there solely on his personal basis.
SNOW: How about Syria? I've heard talk of convoys making their way out of Iraq into Syria in the weeks before the war. What have you heard?
KAY: We've heard the same reports. Actually, we have probably more specific evidence on that, on dates, times...
SNOW: I would suspect you know more than I do on that.
KAY: ... and routes taken. The difficulty we have is proving what was in the convoys, and that's where we're stymied right now." Fox News
And...
"Kay, a former UN weapons inspector who is serving in Iraq as a special adviser to Tenet, issued an interim report earlier this month acknowledging the American failure so far to find illicit weapons or weapons material in Iraq. Kay has cautioned that his search is far from complete, and senior intelligence officials say they still expect him to find weapons material. But Kay has said his team is considering a number of theories, including the prospect that Iraq moved weapons material to other countries and that weapons and other weapons material were destroyed before the war, and perhaps in the period immediately preceding it.
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Clapper's agency is responsible in particular for interpreting satellite intelligence. He said the heavy volume of traffic leading from Iraq to Syria before and during the American-led invasion had convinced him "inferentially" that illicit weapons material had been smuggled outside the country.
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He declined to answer a question about whether he believed that illicit Iraqi weapons material was smuggled into any other country, including Iran.
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The New York Times Head of spy agency points to signs of heavy travel before U.S. invasion
WASHINGTON The director of a top American spy agency said Tuesday that he believed that material from Iraq's illicit weapons program was transported into Syria and perhaps other countries as part of an effort by Iraqis to disperse and destroy evidence immediately before the recent war.
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The official, James Clapper Jr., a retired air force lieutenant general, said satellite images showing a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria just before the American invasion in March had led him to believe "unquestionably" that illicit weapons material was moved outside Iraq.
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"I think people below the Saddam- Hussein-and-his-sons level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to destroy and disperse," Clapper, who heads the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, said at a breakfast with reporters.
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Clapper said he was providing a personal assessment. But other American intelligence officials said his theory was among those being pursued in Iraq by David Kay, who is heading what has so far been an unsuccessful American effort to uncover the weapons cited by the Bush administration as the major reason for going to war against Iraq.
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Clapper's comments come as the CIA is preparing to mount a vigorous defense of its prewar assertions that Iraq possessed chemical and biological weapons and was seeking to reconstitute its nuclear program. The director of central intelligence, George Tenet, has written a private letter to the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence saying the agency will be ready by late November to provide a detailed assessments for members of the panel. In the letter, whose contents were described by several intelligence officials on Tuesday, Tenet proposed that a team headed by John McLaughlin, the deputy director of central intelligence, provide a briefing for the committee sometime after Nov. 20, when the agency's own internal review is expected to be completed. The Senate and House intelligence committees are preparing critical reports about the intelligence work done on Iraq, with congressional officials saying that the CIA overstated Iraq's potential nuclear capability in the months before the war. But the CIA has objected vigorously to that assessment, saying that on the basis of evidence available before the American invasion in March, it would have been foolhardy for the agency to have reached any other conclusion.
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Clapper echoed that defense on Tuesday, but in offering what he called his own "educated guess" about what happened to any illicit Iraqi weapons, he went beyond what any other senior American intelligence official has said publicly. "I think probably in the few months running up to the onset of the conflict, I think there was probably an intensive effort to disperse into private hands, to bury it, and to move it outside the country's borders," Clapper said.
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He said he believed that "at the level below the senior leadership" of Iraq there were officials who "saw what was coming and went to extraordinary lengths to dispose of the evidence."
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Kay, a former UN weapons inspector who is serving in Iraq as a special adviser to Tenet, issued an interim report earlier this month acknowledging the American failure so far to find illicit weapons or weapons material in Iraq. Kay has cautioned that his search is far from complete, and senior intelligence officials say they still expect him to find weapons material. But Kay has said his team is considering a number of theories, including the prospect that Iraq moved weapons material to other countries and that weapons and other weapons material were destroyed before the war, and perhaps in the period immediately preceding it.
.
Clapper's agency is responsible in particular for interpreting satellite intelligence. He said the heavy volume of traffic leading from Iraq to Syria before and during the American-led invasion had convinced him "inferentially" that illicit weapons material had been smuggled outside the country." International Herald Tribune, 10/29/2003
And...
January 6, 2004
2004 WorldNetDaily.com
A relative of Syrian President Bashar Assad is hiding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction in three locations in Syria, according to intelligence sources cited by an exiled opposition party.
The weapons were smuggled in large wooden crates and barrels by Zu Alhema al-Shaleesh, known for moving arms into Iraq in violation of U.N. resolutions and for sending recruits to fight coalition forces, said the U.S.-based Reform Party of Syria.
The party, based in Potomac, Md., regards itself as a secular body comprised of Syrians who want to see the country embrace "real democratic and economic reforms."
One weapons-cache location identified by the sources is a mountain tunnel near the village of al-Baidah in northwest Syria, the report said. The tunnel is known to house a branch of the Assad regime's national security apparatus.
Two other arms supplies are reported to be in west-central Syria. One is hidden at a factory operated by the Syrian Air Force, near the village of Tal Snan, between the cities of Hama and Salmiyeh. The third location is tunnels beneath the small town of Shinshar, which belongs to the 661 battalion of the Syrian Air Force.
The nephew of Zu Alhema al-Shaleesh, Assef al-Shaleesh, runs Al Bashair Trading Co., a front for the Assad family involved prior to the war in oil smuggling from Iraq and arms smuggling into the country. Al-Bashair has offices in Damascus, Beirut and Baghdad.
In an exclusive interview yesterday with the London Telegraph, Assad came close to admitting his country possessed stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.
Assad told the London paper Syria rejects American and British demands for concessions on weapons of mass destruction, insisting Damascus is entitled to defend itself by acquiring its own chemical and biological deterrent.
He said Israel must agree to abandon its undeclared nuclear arsenal in order for Syria to consider any deal with the U.S. "
AND...
"Posted: October 1, 2003
5:54 p.m. Eastern
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
Following months of frustrated searches by hundreds of U.S. and British investigators for Saddam's weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, some have turned up in Kuwait, according to Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyassah.
The pro-government daily reports Kuwaiti security forces foiled an attempted smuggling of $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country."
Something doesn't smell right. There may be no Iraqi WMD in Iraq, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are still not out there.
Finally, also from WorldNetDaily.com:
"The Washington Post reports Kay is expected to float a working theory that the ousted Iraqi president was bluffing about possessing weapons of mass destruction to appear as more of a threat than he actually was."
Sounds plausible. I think the truth is somewhere in between and each story contains an element of truth. Syria is reported to have imported small arms and ammunition prior to the war. Could this have been simply to help it's neighbor against the US devil or part of an exchange? Again the truth is probably a combination of all of the above.
Like one of the other dz.commers tagline..."just my .02 worth".
Blue skies,
Jim
"SNOW: You also had heard that Saddam Hussein had gotten frustrated with the UN weapons inspectors and was simply ready to go ahead, regardless of their presence on his soil.
KAY: His senior head of the arms industry has told us that in 2000 he believed that Saddam had simply gotten fed up with the UN restrictions and was ready, in the face of them, to start restarting the program.
Now, the one piece of evidence that confirms that is in the missile area, where exactly that's when it restarted.
SNOW: And you also found propellants.
You mentioned that there are four classes. You had cruise missiles. You had the attempt to buy the Nodong missile from North Korea that can have a range of up to 1,300 kilometers, about 800 miles...
KAY: Right.
SNOW: ... and a series of other things. You had rocket propellants, correct?
KAY: Well, the rocket propellants are really an interesting story I'm surprised no one has picked up on. We have Iraqis now telling us that they continued, until 2001 or early 2002, to be capable of mixing and preparing Scud missile fuel.
Scud missile fuel is only useful in Scud missiles, no other class of missiles that Iraq has. And yet Iraq declared that it got rid of all of its Scud missiles in the early 1990s. Why would you continue to produce Scud missile fuel if you didn't have Scuds? We're looking for the Scuds.
SNOW: In speaking to reporters the other day, you also said that you were examining the possible cross-border transportation of arms into Syria, Jordan and Iran. Now, the Jordanian government has said, absolutely not true. Do you still think it's possible that arms could have made their way into Jordan?
KAY: Well, we're still examining what moved where. We have multiple reports from Iraqis of moving material. We do know that documents were taken to Jordan, because we're engaged in negotiations with someone who is in Jordan to recover those documents. I have no personal knowledge that weapons were moved into Jordan.
SNOW: Does this person in Jordan have any official relationship with the government, or is this a private citizen?
KAY: Oh, absolutely no official relationship with the government. He fled there, and he's there solely on his personal basis.
SNOW: How about Syria? I've heard talk of convoys making their way out of Iraq into Syria in the weeks before the war. What have you heard?
KAY: We've heard the same reports. Actually, we have probably more specific evidence on that, on dates, times...
SNOW: I would suspect you know more than I do on that.
KAY: ... and routes taken. The difficulty we have is proving what was in the convoys, and that's where we're stymied right now." Fox News
And...
"Kay, a former UN weapons inspector who is serving in Iraq as a special adviser to Tenet, issued an interim report earlier this month acknowledging the American failure so far to find illicit weapons or weapons material in Iraq. Kay has cautioned that his search is far from complete, and senior intelligence officials say they still expect him to find weapons material. But Kay has said his team is considering a number of theories, including the prospect that Iraq moved weapons material to other countries and that weapons and other weapons material were destroyed before the war, and perhaps in the period immediately preceding it.
.
Clapper's agency is responsible in particular for interpreting satellite intelligence. He said the heavy volume of traffic leading from Iraq to Syria before and during the American-led invasion had convinced him "inferentially" that illicit weapons material had been smuggled outside the country.
.
He declined to answer a question about whether he believed that illicit Iraqi weapons material was smuggled into any other country, including Iran.
.
The New York Times Head of spy agency points to signs of heavy travel before U.S. invasion
WASHINGTON The director of a top American spy agency said Tuesday that he believed that material from Iraq's illicit weapons program was transported into Syria and perhaps other countries as part of an effort by Iraqis to disperse and destroy evidence immediately before the recent war.
.
The official, James Clapper Jr., a retired air force lieutenant general, said satellite images showing a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria just before the American invasion in March had led him to believe "unquestionably" that illicit weapons material was moved outside Iraq.
.
"I think people below the Saddam- Hussein-and-his-sons level saw what was coming and decided the best thing to do was to destroy and disperse," Clapper, who heads the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, said at a breakfast with reporters.
.
Clapper said he was providing a personal assessment. But other American intelligence officials said his theory was among those being pursued in Iraq by David Kay, who is heading what has so far been an unsuccessful American effort to uncover the weapons cited by the Bush administration as the major reason for going to war against Iraq.
.
Clapper's comments come as the CIA is preparing to mount a vigorous defense of its prewar assertions that Iraq possessed chemical and biological weapons and was seeking to reconstitute its nuclear program. The director of central intelligence, George Tenet, has written a private letter to the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence saying the agency will be ready by late November to provide a detailed assessments for members of the panel. In the letter, whose contents were described by several intelligence officials on Tuesday, Tenet proposed that a team headed by John McLaughlin, the deputy director of central intelligence, provide a briefing for the committee sometime after Nov. 20, when the agency's own internal review is expected to be completed. The Senate and House intelligence committees are preparing critical reports about the intelligence work done on Iraq, with congressional officials saying that the CIA overstated Iraq's potential nuclear capability in the months before the war. But the CIA has objected vigorously to that assessment, saying that on the basis of evidence available before the American invasion in March, it would have been foolhardy for the agency to have reached any other conclusion.
.
Clapper echoed that defense on Tuesday, but in offering what he called his own "educated guess" about what happened to any illicit Iraqi weapons, he went beyond what any other senior American intelligence official has said publicly. "I think probably in the few months running up to the onset of the conflict, I think there was probably an intensive effort to disperse into private hands, to bury it, and to move it outside the country's borders," Clapper said.
.
He said he believed that "at the level below the senior leadership" of Iraq there were officials who "saw what was coming and went to extraordinary lengths to dispose of the evidence."
.
Kay, a former UN weapons inspector who is serving in Iraq as a special adviser to Tenet, issued an interim report earlier this month acknowledging the American failure so far to find illicit weapons or weapons material in Iraq. Kay has cautioned that his search is far from complete, and senior intelligence officials say they still expect him to find weapons material. But Kay has said his team is considering a number of theories, including the prospect that Iraq moved weapons material to other countries and that weapons and other weapons material were destroyed before the war, and perhaps in the period immediately preceding it.
.
Clapper's agency is responsible in particular for interpreting satellite intelligence. He said the heavy volume of traffic leading from Iraq to Syria before and during the American-led invasion had convinced him "inferentially" that illicit weapons material had been smuggled outside the country." International Herald Tribune, 10/29/2003
And...
January 6, 2004
2004 WorldNetDaily.com
A relative of Syrian President Bashar Assad is hiding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction in three locations in Syria, according to intelligence sources cited by an exiled opposition party.
The weapons were smuggled in large wooden crates and barrels by Zu Alhema al-Shaleesh, known for moving arms into Iraq in violation of U.N. resolutions and for sending recruits to fight coalition forces, said the U.S.-based Reform Party of Syria.
The party, based in Potomac, Md., regards itself as a secular body comprised of Syrians who want to see the country embrace "real democratic and economic reforms."
One weapons-cache location identified by the sources is a mountain tunnel near the village of al-Baidah in northwest Syria, the report said. The tunnel is known to house a branch of the Assad regime's national security apparatus.
Two other arms supplies are reported to be in west-central Syria. One is hidden at a factory operated by the Syrian Air Force, near the village of Tal Snan, between the cities of Hama and Salmiyeh. The third location is tunnels beneath the small town of Shinshar, which belongs to the 661 battalion of the Syrian Air Force.
The nephew of Zu Alhema al-Shaleesh, Assef al-Shaleesh, runs Al Bashair Trading Co., a front for the Assad family involved prior to the war in oil smuggling from Iraq and arms smuggling into the country. Al-Bashair has offices in Damascus, Beirut and Baghdad.
In an exclusive interview yesterday with the London Telegraph, Assad came close to admitting his country possessed stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.
Assad told the London paper Syria rejects American and British demands for concessions on weapons of mass destruction, insisting Damascus is entitled to defend itself by acquiring its own chemical and biological deterrent.
He said Israel must agree to abandon its undeclared nuclear arsenal in order for Syria to consider any deal with the U.S. "
AND...
"Posted: October 1, 2003
5:54 p.m. Eastern
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
Following months of frustrated searches by hundreds of U.S. and British investigators for Saddam's weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, some have turned up in Kuwait, according to Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyassah.
The pro-government daily reports Kuwaiti security forces foiled an attempted smuggling of $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country."
Something doesn't smell right. There may be no Iraqi WMD in Iraq, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are still not out there.
Finally, also from WorldNetDaily.com:
"The Washington Post reports Kay is expected to float a working theory that the ousted Iraqi president was bluffing about possessing weapons of mass destruction to appear as more of a threat than he actually was."
Sounds plausible. I think the truth is somewhere in between and each story contains an element of truth. Syria is reported to have imported small arms and ammunition prior to the war. Could this have been simply to help it's neighbor against the US devil or part of an exchange? Again the truth is probably a combination of all of the above.
Like one of the other dz.commers tagline..."just my .02 worth".
Blue skies,
Jim
Gee... didn't a few people say earlier today that there were no WMDs and we didn't need to wait until a final report was made?
kallend 2,108
QuoteGee... didn't a few people say earlier today that there were no WMDs and we didn't need to wait until a final report was made?
Rummy even said "We know where they are".
Imagine that. Must be delaying for dramatic effect. Expect an announcement about a week before the election.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteQuoteGee... didn't a few people say earlier today that there were no WMDs and we didn't need to wait until a final report was made?
Rummy even said "We know where they are".
Imagine that. Must be delaying for dramatic effect. Expect an announcement about a week before the election.
Hmmmm.... what do you think they are going to announce?
kallend 2,108
QuoteQuoteQuoteGee... didn't a few people say earlier today that there were no WMDs and we didn't need to wait until a final report was made?
Rummy even said "We know where they are".
Imagine that. Must be delaying for dramatic effect. Expect an announcement about a week before the election.
Hmmmm.... what do you think they are going to announce?
That they found tons of Sarin and Anthrax and yellowcake from Africa exactly where Rummy said they were, and that the reason it took so long was GPS error (bad spot).
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
That they found tons of Sarin and Anthrax and yellowcake from Africa exactly where Rummy said they were, and that the reason it took so long was GPS error (bad spot).
Bwahahahaha (wiping off computer screen)
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