500th!!!!! Dead Americans, That Is. . .

[osuskydiver 0]

Occupy the country for the next 10 years?
why don;t you complain about us still occupying germany and having bases in many other countries

By the time you read this you have already read it.

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still occupying germany and having bases in many other countries

Nah... Makes for good TDY's The germans havent taken pot shots at us since about 1946 I think...The Japanese got over it pretty quick too... with the Emperors edict and all the hard core leader/samurai types committing seppuku.
If you dont think we will be occupying the Middle Eastern countries for your whole military carreer... you are delusional. But it will make for lots more kids getting their combat infantry badges and Purple Hearts.

[osuskydiver 0]

No, i understand we will be ther efor along time. That is what we do in the army is occupy.

How long were you in, what was your MOS?

By the time you read this you have already read it.

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8 years in the USAF.. some of it at the Home of the Walking Air Force... SERE... and 3 weeks TDY in the Army at Fort Benning so yall could teach me how to jump out of Air Force planes

[Michele 1]

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The germans havent taken pot shots at us since about 1946 I think...The Japanese got over it pretty quick too...

Which was at least one year after the war was over, and treaties were signed...seems like even you agree that there was difficulty with "potshots" and insurgents in both of those conflicts...

Why complain that there are still "potshots" (or IED's) in Iraq, +/- 6 months after major battles were completed? And only about 1.5 months after the despotic leader was found and captured?

Why would the aftermath in Iraq be any different than any other country?

(I sense instant gratification propensities of my generation rearing it's ugly head here...)

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[DiverDiver 0]

No terror in Iraq? What do you call the gassing of hundreds of thousands of people, who for one reason or another, disagree with the SH regime? Yeah sure sounds like a great terror-free place for all people who live anywhere near there.
Make sure your points are well founded when you post... not just decide to turn it on Fox news or CNN and come on here to spout of partisan politics. I would respect your opinion if you didnt take a chance to slam a republican almost everytime you post.

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The point Michele my dear is simple.. no matter who we elect we will NOT be able to extricate our forces from this mess. We will be there a LONG time. And unlike former conquests this time it will just escalate because of the way we did it... the pretext we used... and the level of hatred that exists from 1991 when the US caused the death of many many thousands of Iraqui's. And yes our policies were directly responsible for that.. and people over there have long freaking memories.

[benny 0]

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No terror in Iraq? What do you call the gassing of hundreds of thousands of people, who for one reason or another, disagree with the SH regime? Yeah sure sounds like a great terror-free place for all people who live anywhere near there.
Make sure your points are well founded when you post... not just decide to turn it on Fox news or CNN and come on here to spout of partisan politics. I would respect your opinion if you didnt take a chance to slam a republican almost everytime you post.

I think we all know that this wasn't the terror, or war thereon that anyone was referring to. Saddam Hussein is/was a bad guy, very mean to his own people. So are alot of other dictators whom we choose to either ignore or actively support. There's no slam on anyone there. Just the truth. Both democratic and republican admistrations have supported those dictators. It's wrong in either since. But to tell us we had to get him out of there to rid the Iraqi's of tyrrany, well that's just a bit hypocritical.

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[Jimbo 0]

Do you think that since we don't oust Dictator A that it is wrong to oust Dictator B? Or that because we didn't help those people that we can't help these people? Would you feel better if we involved ourselves in the affairs of every country with a government that didn't resemble ours?

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Jim

"Like" - The modern day comma
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

[Michele 1]

Jeanne my lambkin, my point was simple, as well.

The post discussed "500 dead"...and you bring up that potshots hadn't been taken since '46 or so, a year after the war ended. I was simply illustrating that there is no reason to expect this to be any different than prior wars, including "occupation", installation of governments, and long presence in the area. The current potshots/IEDs are "normal", and account for more than half of the deaths from before major battles were stated to be over.

Memories being long and all, this has been a very low fatality war, it's been short, and it's been limited to that which was necessary. I am extremely proud of my military for doing such a sharp job, such a difficult job, and under such pinpoint observations. I grieve each serviceman or woman we (and other countries, including Iraq) have lost, however, so don't get me wrong there, as well as all the civilians who've died, both on my own soil as well as Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[DiverDiver 0]

I think we all know that this wasn't the terror, or war thereon that anyone was referring to. Saddam Hussein is/was a bad guy, very mean to his own people. So are alot of other dictators whom we choose to either ignore or actively support. There's no slam on anyone there. Just the truth. Both democratic and republican admistrations have supported those dictators. It's wrong in either since. But to tell us we had to get him out of there to rid the Iraqi's of tyrrany, well that's just a bit hypocritical.

[tcnelson 1]

i served my country for five years as a marksman in the army amazon....you?

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[benny 0]

Now you're twisting my principles. It's not wrong to take out one, because you didn't take out the other. It's wrong to do so without significant reason and then to claim that the real reason is to "free" those poor people. That's a lie, if it were about freeing people we'd be in a lot more places than Iraq. But freeing Iraqis wasn't the reason we were given until we invaded the place and found out, uhoh, he didn't actually have WMD. Now it's about liberation, uhuh, right. And I was in favor of the Kosovo war because I wanted all their oil!

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[DiverDiver 0]

There have been COUNTLESS points to the fact that Iraq is rich in oil and thats the main reason we are there... Well its funny that the US oil reserves hold enough for 25 years without having to buy any OPEC oil... there are plenty of other allied countries with the United States that are swimming with oil.. to try to point out that fact is just another attempt for you to jump on the partisan bandwagon... you sound like a repeating record of jackasses that i see post this inane dribble all the time. Actually do me a favor.. get off here for an hour... watch CNN or Fox News (dont try this at home kids) then come back and maybe you will have something to contribute to the memory of the 500 soldiers without pissing on their graves. What an asshole.

[DiverDiver 0]

Michele you make a great point... keep posting I want to hear more

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[Jimbo 0]

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Now you're twisting my principles.

I simply responded to what you wrote. If you think that I am twisting your principals, then perhaps in the future you'll write exactly what you mean.

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Jim

"Like" - The modern day comma
Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

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Actually do me a favor.. get off here for an hour... watch CNN or Fox News (dont try this at home kids) then come back and maybe you will have something to contribute to the memory of the 500 soldiers without pissing on their graves. What an asshole.

I do not think I have ever agreed with anything Benny said but I think you need to read the rules of posting.

One of them is NO PERSONAL ATTACKS and your final statement here may constitute as one. I am not sure but just to warn you, although a moderator might do that as well.


edited because I typed like old people hump. Slow and sloppy.

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i served my country for five years as a marksman in the army amazon....you?

8 years Active duty SERE including Airborne ( as in NOT A LEG) as well as a TDY or two to Hurlbert Field.. and if you have read very many of my posts... also an NRA member and a VERY good markswoman.

[DiverDiver 0]

No Personal Attacks?

Everything in this thread is passive aggressive tone... you are committing a personal attack with almost anything you say. But if i must be scolded for pointing out the obvious then thats kind of harsh.

Quick question... Is the phrase "go to hell" a personal attack? J/w

[sdgregory 0]

Like I said I am not sure whether this falls under the category but I just thought I would let you know. Take it with a grain of salt. Or tell me to shove it. I do not have any authority here.

Someone who does will let me know if I am off base here.

[tcnelson 1]

well no wonder you're a liberal....8 years at SERE school would make anyone crazy.

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[Amazon 7]

But I did look really kewl in my black uniform with the Red Stars

[tcnelson 1]

VERY is a relative term and oh yeah....AIRASSAULT!

"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch
NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329

[DiverDiver 0]

My tone would suggest i was calling him an asshole but it was more like when your mom or dad told you to do something when you were younger and they walked away and you flipped them off behind their back... same kind of premise.

If i wanted a personal attack I would have said something like " _____ you are an asshole and a dimwit" Thats a personal attack.

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I totally pissed off some Euro dude for recounting taking down an elk a few years ago.. at 300 yards... on the run... uphill... and thru the head... Had a freind from the Coast Gurd with me.. in the Eagle Cap Wilderness of Oregon... high country.. very open.. small patches of subalpine fir up at treeline.

I do not do full bady mass with edible meat.

Oh 7mm Remington mag.. on a Mauser action accurized with a turned down Douglas Airguage barrel is my weapon of choice in the high country. bench rested it shoots sub minute of angle... and it has a Tasco World Class 6-24x 40mmm variable... and all the rounds I hunt with are loaded on my RCBS... with match grade brass and all bullets and powder loads are within 1/10th of a grain... anything more than that is rolled up for plinking

I take my shooting REAL serious.