Gravitymaster 0 #176 January 26, 2004 QuoteBill Clinton did one good thing... He left a huge surplus instead of a defecit... good for him. Apparently you know nothing of the military because Clinton fucked it up more than Reagan and Carter put together so for you to support him just shows that you clearly dont have any facts to base this argument on... As for the "People who call assholes are assholes" comment... its a good way to try to take a cheap shot when you have nothing to contribute... at least Benny tries to make points and i wouldnt want you to be on my side in any argument Gravity because you seem to discredit any worthwhile argument Benny had. Benny I looked at both sites and both were very interesting and made very poignant facts. But i think its gravitys turn to go watch CNN and/or FNN. Apparently you didn't look at both sides or you would have realized Benny and I were laughing at someone who called him an asshole earlier in this thread. I'm not discrediting Benny anymore than he tries to discredit me. But at the end of the day I respect his views even though I disagree with him. See if you are gonna get involved in these type of threads, you need to learn not to take anything personally. Especially when it doesn't pertain to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #177 January 26, 2004 Quote Speaking for myself, I could NOT care less what the UN says or thinks of USA. I wish we were out. Hey, why don't you just build a big freakin wall around the entire country? That always works. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #178 January 26, 2004 QuoteBUT...lotasa dots.. AND randomly CAPITILIZED words...make up for a lack of....logic.. DON'T they? Because I call it stream of consciousness.. and I KNOW it ANNOYS..... the shit out of you and Michelle. Probably Jessica too.. but she has more sence than get tino these threads.... woo hoo way to go girl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #179 January 26, 2004 QuoteMy god I've seen it all. It's almost as if he's claiming to associate himself with me. There's no emoticon for bewildered. What am I to do. I have to say GM, I felt like hugging you when you said what you said about "assholes" Alright now Benny, lets not get all "gushy" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites b1jercat 0 #180 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteWow dude you hit the nail right on the head, Laura Bush is a slut!!! I said she has bedroom eyes, not that she is a slut. Most people with an average IQ or higher can recognize the difference. QuoteDude your a genius. Wish I could return the compliment. Dude I didn't say that you said Laura Bush is a slut, I didn't think that you meant Laura Bush is a slut. I said Laura Bush was a slut. Dude please keep your average IQ or higher to your self. blue skies jerry _____________________________________________________ She says I do you but never ever him he is a wuss and you is a pimp Than she gos down to my brown one eyed bitch die hear that sound slurp slurp take that stick, turn everthing off bro check out my outfit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #181 January 26, 2004 QuoteAnd it was the REagan Administration who built the problem... Actually, with a bit of research, you'd realize that it was the Carter administration which began with the funding - and the cold war issues which figure prominently into today's events. I've posted the links prior to this, and won't bother myself to do so again...but it's there. Further, you might realize that OBL was not part of the organization which the Carter admin began funding, but came there after several other issues created the desire and opportunity for OBL to join. And still further, you might realize that OBL was not the head of the Afghanistan force, but rather a rich, ideological, villinous man. And still further you would understand, should you be interested in learning independent of what media tells you, that OBL and the head of the Mujahadin had a falling out, and that in effect, AQ was an off-shoot of the original fighting force. When the original leader was assassinated, OBL came back in.... Or perhaps you'd understand it a bit more if one were to point out the Iran hostage situation contributed mightily to our limited support of Hussein, and that even during that time he was considered a bit of a problem. Still further research would teach you that we faced a no-win situation, and chose the best route forward. And yet even more time spent researching would show you that OBL structured and facilitated the 93 WTC attack, which was one of the first warnings the US had about who and what OBL was - and also irrefutably demonstrated our vulnerability; yet no actions were taken, no steps made to tighten our responses...but Clinton was busy fucking an intern, and lying about it, so those deaths must not have mattered...and continue the "not mattering" up through the USS Cole... Et cetera. I am never going to convince you of anything you're not willing to be open about, Jeanne. No one will be. You are an intelligent woman, more than capable of thinking for yourself. It is apalling and disappointing to see the mindless rhetoric you spew... As for blinders, I have chosen to spend years researching things for myself, learning about various aspects of political choices, conflicts and tensions. In 1993, I told a friend of mine we were in for a world of hurt...and in 2001, she called me and said "I never thought you'd be right about this. And I'm sorry you were." Debate with real facts, and real personally arrived at opinions, Jeanne. If all you do is repetitively, unthinkingly spout what is commonly heard on liberal media, you will not understand what has happened, what is happening, and what will happen...and what we, as a nation, are facing. QuotePerhaps it is the Ultra Left Blinders which prohibit you from seeing Michele's logical, reasonable, and moderate viewpoint. Logic and reason go far when trying to get a point across, anger and emotion without logic and reason portray you as a fool. Thanks for that, Jimbo; it is appreciated. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #182 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteWow dude you hit the nail right on the head, Laura Bush is a slut!!! I said she has bedroom eyes, not that she is a slut. Most people with an average IQ or higher can recognize the difference. QuoteDude your a genius. Your post inferred just that. Nice try to wiggle out though. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #183 January 26, 2004 QuoteDude I didn't say that you said Laura Bush is a slut, Yes you did! And I'm telling my mommy! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StevePhelps 0 #184 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuote Speaking for myself, I could NOT care less what the UN says or thinks of USA. I wish we were out. Hey, why don't you just build a big freakin wall around the entire country? That always works. Because I don't believe the USA should be in the UN, means I think we should be isolationalist? Too large of a leap of logic for me to make. I simply do not agree with UN having authority over US military in ANY shape, way or form. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #185 January 26, 2004 QuoteBecause I call it stream of consciousness.. and I KNOW it ANNOYS..... the shit out of you and Michelle. Well..DON'T mention me in the same breath as Michelle or Jessica...cause I am an illiterate compared to them...BUT I for one still truly enjoy your presence AROUND here...if I've never mentioned it... . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #186 January 26, 2004 QuoteActually, with a bit of research, you'd realize that it was the Carter administration which began with the funding - and the cold war issues which figure prominently into today's events You need to research it much more then... its called BLOWBACK. Osama was in a rival group to the ones we initially supported under the Carter Admin. But the CIA played a huge role thru Pakistani back channels who DIRECTLY supported Osama http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/RSblowback.html Since the early 1990s, Osama bin Laden, heir to a Saudi construction fortune, has financed attacks on interests of U.S. and its Arab allies. Blowback is the term that the CIA uses to describe a situation when a some operative, a terrorist, or some situation that they've created gets out of their control and comes back to haunt them. It's a situation where the scientist (Frankenstein) creates a monster that "blows back" on its creator. Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, Timothy McVeigh and Osama bin Laden are all pretty good examples of blowback. They were all nurtured for many years by the CIA, the US military or military intelligence. They all eventually "blew back." Below you'll find some background on the CIA war against Afghanistan. More research is needed on bin Laden's connection to the CIA and it's counterparts in Pakistan. Does anyone out there have time to spend a few hours finding the info on bin Laden's CIA connections? It would be very useful to dig that info up. You'd think people might want to know this guy's connection to US-sponsored terrorist groups. As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia in 1979 to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan. By 1984, he was running Maktab al-Khidamar (MAK) that funneled money, arms and fighters into the Afghan war. MAK was nurtured by Pakistan's intelligence agency, the CIA's primary conduit for conducting the covert war in Afghanistan. Bin Laden and Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps in the Middle East, were partners in the CIA's war. Mujahedeen: The CIA's Heroin Heroes CIA-supported mujahedeen engaged heavily in drug trafficking while fighting against the Soviet-supported government and its plans to reform the very backward Afghan society. The CIA's principal client was Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, one of the leading druglords and a major heroin refiner. CIA-supplied trucks and mules, which had carried arms into Afghanistan, were used to transport opium to laboratories along the Afghan/Pakistan border. They provided up to half of the heroin used annually in the U.S. and three-quarters of that used in Western Europe. U.S. officials admitted in 1990 that they had failed to investigate or take action against the drug operation. In 1993, an official of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency called Afghanistan the new Colombia of the drug world. BLINDERS MY DEAR>> BLINDERS Just like Ollie and the Cocaine connection in Central America. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ian84 0 #187 January 26, 2004 QuoteSpeaking for myself, I could NOT care less what the UN says or thinks of USA. I realise this is your opinion but don't you think statements like this are highly inflamatory to the rest of the world?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #188 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteSpeaking for myself, I could NOT care less what the UN says or thinks of USA. I realise this is your opinion but don't you think statements like this are highly inflamatory to the rest of the world?? I don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #189 January 26, 2004 QuoteI don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. Did you ever hear the story about the small town bully... I forget where he was.. he terrorized a small town for years.. till finally he went too far and a group of townspeople banded together and killed the son of a bitch right on mainstreet in broad daylight.... no one in town saw a thing. We are part of the people of this planet...if the entire world starts thinking we are the big bully in town eventually they will band together and solve our arrogance for us.....It could take a lot of years.. but we can't fight the entire world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ian84 0 #190 January 26, 2004 QuoteI don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. I really don't know what to say to that. Its beyond my comprehension that you could hold such a view and really beleive that its in your nations best interest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #191 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. Did you ever hear the story about the small town bully... I forget where he was.. he terrorized a small town for years.. till finally he went too far and a group of townspeople banded together and killed the son of a bitch right on mainstreet in broad daylight.... no one in town saw a thing. We are part of the people of this planet...if the entire world starts thinking we are the big bully in town eventually they will band together and solve our arrogance for us.....It could take a lot of years.. but we can't fight the entire world. We have many allies in the world. We haven't acted like a bully. We have acted like townspeople in your quaint little story. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #192 January 26, 2004 DUDE you need to read something other than NewsMAX and FOX news.. try some of the news outlets in some of our allies media.. about our tactics of scaring the world.. Last time we scared the world to make a point.. it led to the end of WWII and a 50 year COLD WAR... just because we scared the Soviets with the USE of the ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #193 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. I really don't know what to say to that. Its beyond my comprehension that you could hold such a view and really beleive that its in your nations best interest. I'm trying to get your logic. The US should bend over backwards to make everyone else happy. The rest of the world doesn't have to reciprocate in any way? Send your money to us while we oppose everything that you do. Help me out here. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andrewstewart 0 #194 January 26, 2004 Quote I don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. Wow, I bet that attitude has really carried you to huge success in your life. Collaboration sucks ass! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #195 January 26, 2004 QuoteDUDE you need to read something other than NewsMAX and FOX news.. try some of the news outlets in some of our allies media.. about our tactics of scaring the world.. Last time we scared the world to make a point.. it led to the end of WWII and a 50 year COLD WAR... just because we scared the Soviets with the USE of the ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction. Now you're blaming the US for WWII? You've earned your "Blame it on America First" button today. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andrewstewart 0 #196 January 26, 2004 QuoteI'm trying to get your logic. The US should bend over backwards to make everyone else happy. The rest of the world doesn't have to reciprocate in any way? Send your money to us while we oppose everything that you do. Help me out here. Where are you getting this from? I really would like to know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #197 January 26, 2004 Wow, I bet that attitude has really carried you to huge success in your life. Thinly veiled personal attack. No response needed. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andrewstewart 0 #198 January 26, 2004 Quote Wow, I bet that attitude has really carried you to huge success in your life. Thinly veiled personal attack. No response needed. Oh but I would very much like you to respond. I really want to know how you can say "I don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us" and actually mean it. Are you seriously saying that the entire world, bar the US, is basically useless and should have it's opinion discounted because they aren't doing anything to "impress us"? I really want to hear you extrapolate and explain your statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #199 January 26, 2004 IT must be late there.. since you are having trouble connecting the dots.. We used the atom bomb to make a point with Stalin.. it did.. It scared him into building their own as well as copying the B-29 as a delivery vehicle. We needed to make a point to the Japanese to convince them to surrender.. not in their nature so that many americans would not have to die in an invasion of the home islands. The physicists of the Manhatten Project wanted to do a demonstration of the bomb and not be responsible for the bombing of the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Hawks wanted to make them pay.. they won out and about 200,000 people died from the explosions and subsequent radiation poisioning. IF you do not think the rest of the world sees that as a horrible event in human history.. you had best get a more global view.. and fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #200 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuote Wow, I bet that attitude has really carried you to huge success in your life. Thinly veiled personal attack. No response needed. Oh but I would very much like you to respond. I really want to know how you can say "I don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us" and actually mean it. Are you seriously saying that the entire world, bar the US, is basically useless and should have it's opinion discounted because they aren't doing anything to "impress us"? I really want to hear you extrapolate and explain your statement. Don't change the meaning of what I said. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #179 January 26, 2004 QuoteMy god I've seen it all. It's almost as if he's claiming to associate himself with me. There's no emoticon for bewildered. What am I to do. I have to say GM, I felt like hugging you when you said what you said about "assholes" Alright now Benny, lets not get all "gushy" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #180 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteWow dude you hit the nail right on the head, Laura Bush is a slut!!! I said she has bedroom eyes, not that she is a slut. Most people with an average IQ or higher can recognize the difference. QuoteDude your a genius. Wish I could return the compliment. Dude I didn't say that you said Laura Bush is a slut, I didn't think that you meant Laura Bush is a slut. I said Laura Bush was a slut. Dude please keep your average IQ or higher to your self. blue skies jerry _____________________________________________________ She says I do you but never ever him he is a wuss and you is a pimp Than she gos down to my brown one eyed bitch die hear that sound slurp slurp take that stick, turn everthing off bro check out my outfit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #181 January 26, 2004 QuoteAnd it was the REagan Administration who built the problem... Actually, with a bit of research, you'd realize that it was the Carter administration which began with the funding - and the cold war issues which figure prominently into today's events. I've posted the links prior to this, and won't bother myself to do so again...but it's there. Further, you might realize that OBL was not part of the organization which the Carter admin began funding, but came there after several other issues created the desire and opportunity for OBL to join. And still further, you might realize that OBL was not the head of the Afghanistan force, but rather a rich, ideological, villinous man. And still further you would understand, should you be interested in learning independent of what media tells you, that OBL and the head of the Mujahadin had a falling out, and that in effect, AQ was an off-shoot of the original fighting force. When the original leader was assassinated, OBL came back in.... Or perhaps you'd understand it a bit more if one were to point out the Iran hostage situation contributed mightily to our limited support of Hussein, and that even during that time he was considered a bit of a problem. Still further research would teach you that we faced a no-win situation, and chose the best route forward. And yet even more time spent researching would show you that OBL structured and facilitated the 93 WTC attack, which was one of the first warnings the US had about who and what OBL was - and also irrefutably demonstrated our vulnerability; yet no actions were taken, no steps made to tighten our responses...but Clinton was busy fucking an intern, and lying about it, so those deaths must not have mattered...and continue the "not mattering" up through the USS Cole... Et cetera. I am never going to convince you of anything you're not willing to be open about, Jeanne. No one will be. You are an intelligent woman, more than capable of thinking for yourself. It is apalling and disappointing to see the mindless rhetoric you spew... As for blinders, I have chosen to spend years researching things for myself, learning about various aspects of political choices, conflicts and tensions. In 1993, I told a friend of mine we were in for a world of hurt...and in 2001, she called me and said "I never thought you'd be right about this. And I'm sorry you were." Debate with real facts, and real personally arrived at opinions, Jeanne. If all you do is repetitively, unthinkingly spout what is commonly heard on liberal media, you will not understand what has happened, what is happening, and what will happen...and what we, as a nation, are facing. QuotePerhaps it is the Ultra Left Blinders which prohibit you from seeing Michele's logical, reasonable, and moderate viewpoint. Logic and reason go far when trying to get a point across, anger and emotion without logic and reason portray you as a fool. Thanks for that, Jimbo; it is appreciated. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #182 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteWow dude you hit the nail right on the head, Laura Bush is a slut!!! I said she has bedroom eyes, not that she is a slut. Most people with an average IQ or higher can recognize the difference. QuoteDude your a genius. Your post inferred just that. Nice try to wiggle out though. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #183 January 26, 2004 QuoteDude I didn't say that you said Laura Bush is a slut, Yes you did! And I'm telling my mommy! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StevePhelps 0 #184 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuote Speaking for myself, I could NOT care less what the UN says or thinks of USA. I wish we were out. Hey, why don't you just build a big freakin wall around the entire country? That always works. Because I don't believe the USA should be in the UN, means I think we should be isolationalist? Too large of a leap of logic for me to make. I simply do not agree with UN having authority over US military in ANY shape, way or form. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #185 January 26, 2004 QuoteBecause I call it stream of consciousness.. and I KNOW it ANNOYS..... the shit out of you and Michelle. Well..DON'T mention me in the same breath as Michelle or Jessica...cause I am an illiterate compared to them...BUT I for one still truly enjoy your presence AROUND here...if I've never mentioned it... . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #186 January 26, 2004 QuoteActually, with a bit of research, you'd realize that it was the Carter administration which began with the funding - and the cold war issues which figure prominently into today's events You need to research it much more then... its called BLOWBACK. Osama was in a rival group to the ones we initially supported under the Carter Admin. But the CIA played a huge role thru Pakistani back channels who DIRECTLY supported Osama http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/RSblowback.html Since the early 1990s, Osama bin Laden, heir to a Saudi construction fortune, has financed attacks on interests of U.S. and its Arab allies. Blowback is the term that the CIA uses to describe a situation when a some operative, a terrorist, or some situation that they've created gets out of their control and comes back to haunt them. It's a situation where the scientist (Frankenstein) creates a monster that "blows back" on its creator. Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, Timothy McVeigh and Osama bin Laden are all pretty good examples of blowback. They were all nurtured for many years by the CIA, the US military or military intelligence. They all eventually "blew back." Below you'll find some background on the CIA war against Afghanistan. More research is needed on bin Laden's connection to the CIA and it's counterparts in Pakistan. Does anyone out there have time to spend a few hours finding the info on bin Laden's CIA connections? It would be very useful to dig that info up. You'd think people might want to know this guy's connection to US-sponsored terrorist groups. As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia in 1979 to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan. By 1984, he was running Maktab al-Khidamar (MAK) that funneled money, arms and fighters into the Afghan war. MAK was nurtured by Pakistan's intelligence agency, the CIA's primary conduit for conducting the covert war in Afghanistan. Bin Laden and Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps in the Middle East, were partners in the CIA's war. Mujahedeen: The CIA's Heroin Heroes CIA-supported mujahedeen engaged heavily in drug trafficking while fighting against the Soviet-supported government and its plans to reform the very backward Afghan society. The CIA's principal client was Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, one of the leading druglords and a major heroin refiner. CIA-supplied trucks and mules, which had carried arms into Afghanistan, were used to transport opium to laboratories along the Afghan/Pakistan border. They provided up to half of the heroin used annually in the U.S. and three-quarters of that used in Western Europe. U.S. officials admitted in 1990 that they had failed to investigate or take action against the drug operation. In 1993, an official of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency called Afghanistan the new Colombia of the drug world. BLINDERS MY DEAR>> BLINDERS Just like Ollie and the Cocaine connection in Central America. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ian84 0 #187 January 26, 2004 QuoteSpeaking for myself, I could NOT care less what the UN says or thinks of USA. I realise this is your opinion but don't you think statements like this are highly inflamatory to the rest of the world?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #188 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteSpeaking for myself, I could NOT care less what the UN says or thinks of USA. I realise this is your opinion but don't you think statements like this are highly inflamatory to the rest of the world?? I don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #189 January 26, 2004 QuoteI don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. Did you ever hear the story about the small town bully... I forget where he was.. he terrorized a small town for years.. till finally he went too far and a group of townspeople banded together and killed the son of a bitch right on mainstreet in broad daylight.... no one in town saw a thing. We are part of the people of this planet...if the entire world starts thinking we are the big bully in town eventually they will band together and solve our arrogance for us.....It could take a lot of years.. but we can't fight the entire world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ian84 0 #190 January 26, 2004 QuoteI don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. I really don't know what to say to that. Its beyond my comprehension that you could hold such a view and really beleive that its in your nations best interest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #191 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. Did you ever hear the story about the small town bully... I forget where he was.. he terrorized a small town for years.. till finally he went too far and a group of townspeople banded together and killed the son of a bitch right on mainstreet in broad daylight.... no one in town saw a thing. We are part of the people of this planet...if the entire world starts thinking we are the big bully in town eventually they will band together and solve our arrogance for us.....It could take a lot of years.. but we can't fight the entire world. We have many allies in the world. We haven't acted like a bully. We have acted like townspeople in your quaint little story. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #192 January 26, 2004 DUDE you need to read something other than NewsMAX and FOX news.. try some of the news outlets in some of our allies media.. about our tactics of scaring the world.. Last time we scared the world to make a point.. it led to the end of WWII and a 50 year COLD WAR... just because we scared the Soviets with the USE of the ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #193 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. I really don't know what to say to that. Its beyond my comprehension that you could hold such a view and really beleive that its in your nations best interest. I'm trying to get your logic. The US should bend over backwards to make everyone else happy. The rest of the world doesn't have to reciprocate in any way? Send your money to us while we oppose everything that you do. Help me out here. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andrewstewart 0 #194 January 26, 2004 Quote I don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. Wow, I bet that attitude has really carried you to huge success in your life. Collaboration sucks ass! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #195 January 26, 2004 QuoteDUDE you need to read something other than NewsMAX and FOX news.. try some of the news outlets in some of our allies media.. about our tactics of scaring the world.. Last time we scared the world to make a point.. it led to the end of WWII and a 50 year COLD WAR... just because we scared the Soviets with the USE of the ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction. Now you're blaming the US for WWII? You've earned your "Blame it on America First" button today. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andrewstewart 0 #196 January 26, 2004 QuoteI'm trying to get your logic. The US should bend over backwards to make everyone else happy. The rest of the world doesn't have to reciprocate in any way? Send your money to us while we oppose everything that you do. Help me out here. Where are you getting this from? I really would like to know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #197 January 26, 2004 Wow, I bet that attitude has really carried you to huge success in your life. Thinly veiled personal attack. No response needed. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andrewstewart 0 #198 January 26, 2004 Quote Wow, I bet that attitude has really carried you to huge success in your life. Thinly veiled personal attack. No response needed. Oh but I would very much like you to respond. I really want to know how you can say "I don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us" and actually mean it. Are you seriously saying that the entire world, bar the US, is basically useless and should have it's opinion discounted because they aren't doing anything to "impress us"? I really want to hear you extrapolate and explain your statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #183 January 26, 2004 QuoteDude I didn't say that you said Laura Bush is a slut, Yes you did! And I'm telling my mommy! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #184 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuote Speaking for myself, I could NOT care less what the UN says or thinks of USA. I wish we were out. Hey, why don't you just build a big freakin wall around the entire country? That always works. Because I don't believe the USA should be in the UN, means I think we should be isolationalist? Too large of a leap of logic for me to make. I simply do not agree with UN having authority over US military in ANY shape, way or form. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #185 January 26, 2004 QuoteBecause I call it stream of consciousness.. and I KNOW it ANNOYS..... the shit out of you and Michelle. Well..DON'T mention me in the same breath as Michelle or Jessica...cause I am an illiterate compared to them...BUT I for one still truly enjoy your presence AROUND here...if I've never mentioned it... . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #186 January 26, 2004 QuoteActually, with a bit of research, you'd realize that it was the Carter administration which began with the funding - and the cold war issues which figure prominently into today's events You need to research it much more then... its called BLOWBACK. Osama was in a rival group to the ones we initially supported under the Carter Admin. But the CIA played a huge role thru Pakistani back channels who DIRECTLY supported Osama http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/RSblowback.html Since the early 1990s, Osama bin Laden, heir to a Saudi construction fortune, has financed attacks on interests of U.S. and its Arab allies. Blowback is the term that the CIA uses to describe a situation when a some operative, a terrorist, or some situation that they've created gets out of their control and comes back to haunt them. It's a situation where the scientist (Frankenstein) creates a monster that "blows back" on its creator. Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, Timothy McVeigh and Osama bin Laden are all pretty good examples of blowback. They were all nurtured for many years by the CIA, the US military or military intelligence. They all eventually "blew back." Below you'll find some background on the CIA war against Afghanistan. More research is needed on bin Laden's connection to the CIA and it's counterparts in Pakistan. Does anyone out there have time to spend a few hours finding the info on bin Laden's CIA connections? It would be very useful to dig that info up. You'd think people might want to know this guy's connection to US-sponsored terrorist groups. As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia in 1979 to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan. By 1984, he was running Maktab al-Khidamar (MAK) that funneled money, arms and fighters into the Afghan war. MAK was nurtured by Pakistan's intelligence agency, the CIA's primary conduit for conducting the covert war in Afghanistan. Bin Laden and Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps in the Middle East, were partners in the CIA's war. Mujahedeen: The CIA's Heroin Heroes CIA-supported mujahedeen engaged heavily in drug trafficking while fighting against the Soviet-supported government and its plans to reform the very backward Afghan society. The CIA's principal client was Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, one of the leading druglords and a major heroin refiner. CIA-supplied trucks and mules, which had carried arms into Afghanistan, were used to transport opium to laboratories along the Afghan/Pakistan border. They provided up to half of the heroin used annually in the U.S. and three-quarters of that used in Western Europe. U.S. officials admitted in 1990 that they had failed to investigate or take action against the drug operation. In 1993, an official of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency called Afghanistan the new Colombia of the drug world. BLINDERS MY DEAR>> BLINDERS Just like Ollie and the Cocaine connection in Central America. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian84 0 #187 January 26, 2004 QuoteSpeaking for myself, I could NOT care less what the UN says or thinks of USA. I realise this is your opinion but don't you think statements like this are highly inflamatory to the rest of the world?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #188 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteSpeaking for myself, I could NOT care less what the UN says or thinks of USA. I realise this is your opinion but don't you think statements like this are highly inflamatory to the rest of the world?? I don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #189 January 26, 2004 QuoteI don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. Did you ever hear the story about the small town bully... I forget where he was.. he terrorized a small town for years.. till finally he went too far and a group of townspeople banded together and killed the son of a bitch right on mainstreet in broad daylight.... no one in town saw a thing. We are part of the people of this planet...if the entire world starts thinking we are the big bully in town eventually they will band together and solve our arrogance for us.....It could take a lot of years.. but we can't fight the entire world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian84 0 #190 January 26, 2004 QuoteI don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. I really don't know what to say to that. Its beyond my comprehension that you could hold such a view and really beleive that its in your nations best interest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #191 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. Did you ever hear the story about the small town bully... I forget where he was.. he terrorized a small town for years.. till finally he went too far and a group of townspeople banded together and killed the son of a bitch right on mainstreet in broad daylight.... no one in town saw a thing. We are part of the people of this planet...if the entire world starts thinking we are the big bully in town eventually they will band together and solve our arrogance for us.....It could take a lot of years.. but we can't fight the entire world. We have many allies in the world. We haven't acted like a bully. We have acted like townspeople in your quaint little story. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #192 January 26, 2004 DUDE you need to read something other than NewsMAX and FOX news.. try some of the news outlets in some of our allies media.. about our tactics of scaring the world.. Last time we scared the world to make a point.. it led to the end of WWII and a 50 year COLD WAR... just because we scared the Soviets with the USE of the ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #193 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteI don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. I really don't know what to say to that. Its beyond my comprehension that you could hold such a view and really beleive that its in your nations best interest. I'm trying to get your logic. The US should bend over backwards to make everyone else happy. The rest of the world doesn't have to reciprocate in any way? Send your money to us while we oppose everything that you do. Help me out here. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #194 January 26, 2004 Quote I don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us. Wow, I bet that attitude has really carried you to huge success in your life. Collaboration sucks ass! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #195 January 26, 2004 QuoteDUDE you need to read something other than NewsMAX and FOX news.. try some of the news outlets in some of our allies media.. about our tactics of scaring the world.. Last time we scared the world to make a point.. it led to the end of WWII and a 50 year COLD WAR... just because we scared the Soviets with the USE of the ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction. Now you're blaming the US for WWII? You've earned your "Blame it on America First" button today. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #196 January 26, 2004 QuoteI'm trying to get your logic. The US should bend over backwards to make everyone else happy. The rest of the world doesn't have to reciprocate in any way? Send your money to us while we oppose everything that you do. Help me out here. Where are you getting this from? I really would like to know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #197 January 26, 2004 Wow, I bet that attitude has really carried you to huge success in your life. Thinly veiled personal attack. No response needed. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #198 January 26, 2004 Quote Wow, I bet that attitude has really carried you to huge success in your life. Thinly veiled personal attack. No response needed. Oh but I would very much like you to respond. I really want to know how you can say "I don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us" and actually mean it. Are you seriously saying that the entire world, bar the US, is basically useless and should have it's opinion discounted because they aren't doing anything to "impress us"? I really want to hear you extrapolate and explain your statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #199 January 26, 2004 IT must be late there.. since you are having trouble connecting the dots.. We used the atom bomb to make a point with Stalin.. it did.. It scared him into building their own as well as copying the B-29 as a delivery vehicle. We needed to make a point to the Japanese to convince them to surrender.. not in their nature so that many americans would not have to die in an invasion of the home islands. The physicists of the Manhatten Project wanted to do a demonstration of the bomb and not be responsible for the bombing of the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Hawks wanted to make them pay.. they won out and about 200,000 people died from the explosions and subsequent radiation poisioning. IF you do not think the rest of the world sees that as a horrible event in human history.. you had best get a more global view.. and fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #200 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuote Wow, I bet that attitude has really carried you to huge success in your life. Thinly veiled personal attack. No response needed. Oh but I would very much like you to respond. I really want to know how you can say "I don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us" and actually mean it. Are you seriously saying that the entire world, bar the US, is basically useless and should have it's opinion discounted because they aren't doing anything to "impress us"? I really want to hear you extrapolate and explain your statement. Don't change the meaning of what I said. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
