500th!!!!! Dead Americans, That Is. . .

[Ian84 0]

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I'm trying to get your logic. The US should bend over backwards to make everyone else happy. The rest of the world doesn't have to reciprocate in any way? Send your money to us while we oppose everything that you do. Help me out here.

Bend over backwards?? No. But maybe make more effort at diplomacy and use reason rather that brute force. It might save you getting into sticky situations like Iraq. It might also give you more friendly "allies" rather than the ones who simply cannot afford to lose your buisness and therefore go along with you. You may have agreements with many governments and call them allies but its the the hearts of the people you really need. After all they're the ones who are going out and becoming terrorists.

[SkydiverRick 0]

After all they're the ones who are going out and becoming terrorists.

[andrewstewart 0]

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Wow, I bet that attitude has really carried you to huge success in your life.

Thinly veiled personal attack. No response needed.

Oh but I would very much like you to respond.

I really want to know how you can say "I don't see the rest of the world doing anything to impress us" and actually mean it.

Are you seriously saying that the entire world, bar the US, is basically useless and should have it's opinion discounted because they aren't doing anything to "impress us"?

I really want to hear you extrapolate and explain your statement.

Don't change the meaning of what I said.

[SkydiverRick 0]

Don't change the meaning of what I said.

[andrewstewart 0]

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After all they're the ones who are going out and becoming terrorists.

It's a bad time in history to become a terrorist.

[SkydiverRick 0]

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After all they're the ones who are going out and becoming terrorists.

It's a bad time in history to become a terrorist.

That's the kind of macho, chest-beating bravado that got us into this mess in iraq. "Bring 'em on"... right?

[andrewstewart 0]

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In it's simplist meaning: one hand washes the other. You want the US to be sensitive to the feelings and goals of other countries? We would like the same from them.

But don't you think it's kind of like a situation where you want to do something, but all your friends can see that it's a mistake - and they tell you that it's a mistake. And then when you do go and do it you find out that they were right, but instead of admitting they were right you get angry with them as a sort of emotional defense mechanism?

[Michele 1]

Ratical's "mission statement"...

"rat haus reality, ratical branch is the electronic manifestation of rat haus reality press, dedicated to promulgating and promoting life-nurturing activities and awarenesses regarding this "home" we all share and are all responsible for, not simply for the seventh generation of humankind yet unborn, but for all life germinated and nourished by Gaia.

the human transition from an adolescent, "industrial-mind" value system, based only on asking the question, is it POSSIBLE?, to Gaia- sustaining and promoting practices and explorations which must ask the question, is it APPROPRIATE? is the only possible future of human activity on this earth. without taking responsibility for everything we participate in here, we condemn to premature termination the exquisite eons of life exploring itself in this dimension."

And one of several pages here

And their bulletin board here

Know what, Jeanne? While some of the information is verifiable (from my own research...), I have extreme difficulty looking through this website and not having a fundamental difference of opinion regarding reality from what's contained therein.

As for the germ of truth in your post, it is nothing that can't be found on several of my posts, and many reliable sources from a quick 'net search - without the liberal left twist (far more than a bent) that I find on that particular site. And while there are some interesting things to read there, and some things that may actually prove food for thought (for instance, the Hopi culture is a dynamic, and fascinating one), I find it's political perspectives rather unreal...as those on the BB demonstrate.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[SkydiverRick 0]

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In it's simplist meaning: one hand washes the other. You want the US to be sensitive to the feelings and goals of other countries? We would like the same from them.

But don't you think it's kind of like a situation where you want to do something, but all your friends can see that it's a mistake - and they tell you that it's a mistake. And then when you do go and do it you find out that they were right, but instead of admitting they were right you get angry with them as a sort of emotional defense mechanism?

I'll say it once more, removing Saddam from power was a good thing. How can you argue otherwise? The majority of the Iraqi people are glad that he's gone btw.

never pull low......unless you are

[andrewstewart 0]

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The US will defend itself from all threats. If they chose the path of terrorism, we will confront them.

You've regressed to the point of banal politi-speak.

But to critique your statement - the issue is one of wether a "threat" is real or not (c.f. WMD). The issue is also one of wether or not that "threat" justifies preemptive war. To say that the US will defend itself from "all" threats is a carte blance statement that will get us into a ton of shit. Oh wait, it already did.

[Ian84 0]

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It's a bad time in history to become a terrorist.

Yes it is. But it doesn't matter how many terrorists you kill if you keep breeding new ones to take their place. At least consider world opinion before you act, or try to appear as if you've paid attention. Bush I'm afraid did neither. When I hear you say how many allies you have it makes me wonder how much you even know about them. I think you might find that they are a list of nations willing to put up with you rather than whole hearted supporters of your cause.

I think, for the record, that Americans in general are great people. I just think that they should try to gain more insight into how the rest of the world sees them. Then, once they have seen that they can make up their minds as to whether they care what we think or not. Might just change your attitude. Or it might not.

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I'll say it once more, removing Saddam from power was a good thing. How can you argue otherwise?

Easily. Because the unilateral invasion and occupation of Iraq, without UN support, has done immense harm to the US. If you want to protect yourself, don't act in a way that ostracises you and will likely send people flooding towards causes that are adversarial towards you. The US will reap the ill effects of it's recent decisions for decades from now.

[Amazon 7]

This administration that attacks other countries based upon false information is not the model I would like to see on this planet. If I have to dig and use only right wing sources I guess its a futile attempt because anything not deemed consumable by the good church going sheeple will never be put out... just like TEFLON Ronnie RAYGUN... plausible deniability by a bunch of thugs in the basement selling drugs to buy weapons to run covert ilegal wars around the world.

I supported Ronald Reagan and voted for him. I found out they sold the American people a bill of goods that is still being promulgated by the Ultra Righties who are using the distortions of reality to enrich themselves at the cost of more and more american lives. If this president who lied to us all about the WMD... and even Colin Powell with his dog and pony show I remember seeing.. with all the nice framed pictures of all the WMD sites around Iraq.. If our intelligence community is that flawed and incompetent... or worse.. culpable and corrupt to mislead our naive President...then just WHO is pulling his strings.

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This administration that attacks other countries based upon false information is not the model I would like to see on this planet. If I have to dig and use only right wing sources I guess its a futile attempt because anything not deemed consumable by the good church going sheeple will never be put out... just like TEFLON Ronnie RAYGUN... plausible deniability by a bunch of thugs in the basement selling drugs to buy weapons to run covert ilegal wars around the world.

I supported Ronald Reagan and voted for him. I found out they sold the American people a bill of goods that is still being promulgated by the Ultra Righties who are using the distortions of reality to enrich themselves at the cost of more and more american lives. If this president who lied to us all about the WMD... and even Colin Powell with his dog and pony show I remember seeing.. with all the nice framed pictures of all the WMD sites around Iraq.. If our intelligence community is that flawed and incompetent... or worse.. culpable and corrupt to mislead our naive President...then just WHO is pulling his strings.

You sure do a lot of name calling in your posts.

never pull low......unless you are

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You sure do a lot of name calling in your posts

It was a very widely used term for President Reagan in the 1980's.. I lived thru it.. and was very interested in news while I was in college in the 1980's using every last penny of my GI BILL.

And how many of you Ultra Right Hand guys are constantly referring to the Clintons, The Kennedys, any of the democratic candidates, and on and on and on in derogatory terms.. instead of an endearing term from the time when he was president.

[Ian84 0]

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I'll say it once more, removing Saddam from power was a good thing. How can you argue otherwise?

Easily. Because the unilateral invasion and occupation of Iraq, without UN support, has done immense harm to the US. If you want to protect yourself, don't act in a way that ostracises you and will likely send people flooding towards causes that are adversarial towards you. The US will reap the ill effects of it's recent decisions for decades from now.

Wish I could have said it that well..

[Michele 1]

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If I have to dig and use only right wing sources I guess its a futile attempt because anything not deemed consumable by the good church going sheeple will never be put out

Geesh, Jeanne. I never suggested - nor do I exclusively use - "ultra right wing" sources. I have difficulty with your source. It reminds me of David Icke, Rense and a few of the other conspiracy websites that are around (who's that guy who's overnight on talk radio - whatshisname - always going on and on about aliens and so forth...).

I'd suggest finding some moderate website, researching verifiable facts, and then formulating your own opinion. It's not too difficult.

As to the "good, church going sheeple", I find that utterly ridiculous and thoroughly beneath you. Unfortunately, you don't seem to concur...

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[Amazon 7]

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As to the "good, church going sheeple", I find that utterly ridiculous and thoroughly beneath you. Unfortunately, you don't seem to concur...

Remember the movie with Tom Cruise and Jack Nickelson..Jack Nicholson as The Colonel.. you cant handle the truth" (as per Jack Nicholson in a Few Good Men). As long as all thos good people can wrap themselves in the flag of patriotism and family values... what would they think if they were REALLLLY provided with the truth. But OH ITS ON A LIBERAL MEDIA WEBSITE so its a lie. How whacked is that.. I wonder how the good people will handle all the things done in their name under the guise of PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY.

No I am not a liberal. I tend to have some liberal beliefs.. and some conservative ones as well, I am idealistic and a humanist believing in things like

You shall not murder

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is your neighbor’s


OOPS.. for good god fearing folk in the White House.. I wonder if having other people do it for you counts as sin?
http://www.torahatlanta.com/?OVRAW=ten%20commandments&OVKEY=commandment%20ten&OVMTC=standard

[freefallfreak 0]

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What drivel. You are claiming that Bush started a war because his wife won't have sex with him. That's absurd.

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I mean geez, didn't you see the package on the guy when he wore that flight suit???

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Apparently you did.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Now that was the funniest part of this idiotic thread yet...

FFF

"Upon seeing the shadow of a pigeon, one must resist the urge to look up."

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Speaking for myself, I could NOT care less what the UN says or thinks of USA.

I realise this is your opinion but don't you think statements like this are highly inflamatory to the rest of the world??

Most of what I read in this thread is inflammatory.

[Faber 0]

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I was going to respond that this guys spelling is the proud product of our schools

your welcome i know many people knows that i aint that good at english but EVEN you seemed to understand it so it aint that bad.

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Guess they can't spell English there either

Many people here spell english better than me(look at von santa),so if your simple mind guess that the rest of DK is bad as me.. well then i can just say that im happy that not all english speaking persons are like you.

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Why would he care about what USA does

i care becours what USA does to other cuntryes,my cuntry gets punnished by.

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I sure don't care what Denmark does

that is why 9-11 happened.just go think..

ps. if you respond to me then please speak to me,and not to the rest of the crowd as im a morron

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

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Hey:

Stop telling me I don't know what I'm fighting for. And don't pretend you know. I've been over there once already. Getting ready to go back and I know what I'm fighting for. So do the rest of my Marines. The protest the other day... over 100,000 Iraqis wanting direct elections. Not ONE shot fired. Peacful protests to get what they want. COULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT 7 MONTHS AGO.

It's a personal affront to me that you assume I don't know what I'm fighting for. The above is just one reason. Why don't you get off of your high horse and realize that the US military has brought more freedom, more help to those people than any other organization over the last 30 years combined. Hell the UN and red cross STILL wont stay. Why? Because they don't have strength in their convictions. It's not worth it to them to have people die to bring good things to the Iraqi people. I CHOSE to wear this uniform. We did GOOD things, and still are! It's my duty to go, and I believe in the mission enough that I'm ready to die for it. I'm sorry that you don't believe that bringing people freedom is worth dying for. Sounds pretty selfish to me to argue that "we're no safer so it was the wrong thing to do!"

CAPT USMC

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What drivel. You are claiming that Bush started a war because his wife won't have sex with him. That's absurd.

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I mean geez, didn't you see the package on the guy when he wore that flight suit???

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Apparently you did.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Now that was the funniest part of this idiotic thread yet...

FFF

God, what's up with all you people getting so personal? It's like GWB's your personal savior or something. It's not like I go telling people to STFU and go practice whatever (I think 4/6 stand up landings is pretty decent condsidering I've been downsizing every 2 jumps!) when you talk about what a bad guy Clinton is...

Never go to a DZ strip show.

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Thank-you for your service. Many of us appreciate your willingness to put your life on the line so we can sit here at our computers and jump out of airplanes. I know the guys like you who have actually been there on the ground in Iraq understand what its' all about more so than any Keyboard Generals ever will.

Thank you again for all you guys do. Most of us support what you are doing and the reasons why you do it.

Some people get it and some people don't. Cold one on me if we ever meet.

[Faber 0]

dude i respect you and your guys for what your doing. what i dont think is right is the things you/i were told as reasons to go to war.I have a freind(lucky he will come home here first in feb) in Iraqe right now.

hope that you and your guys will have safe "eventures".be safe out there

Stay safe
Stefan Faber