andrewstewart 0 #51 January 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteArgue just to argue. You have yet to "lay proof" on any of your claims. I smell Troll. The only claims he made are about the budget and deficit. Are you disputing that? Check his post history. WHy do you keep on saying that? If you want to say that I've not substantiated something, kindly link to the specific post and I will address it. You're the one who sounds like a troll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #52 January 29, 2004 You haven't read my posts regularly. I've stated the exact same thing about the right.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #53 January 29, 2004 QuoteYou haven't read my posts regularly. I've stated the exact same thing about the right. Well, not everyone reads every single post on all the forums. If you're going to slag off the Democrats and you feel similarly about the Republicans - at least take a second to say that. Otherwise, people might think you were biased or something ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John4455 0 #54 January 29, 2004 "I believe that a self-righteous liberal with a cause is more dangerous than a Hell’s Angel with an attitude" Tedd Nugent How do ya like it Johnny? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #55 January 29, 2004 QuoteI know there have to be more than a few of us out there. Let's get together and make a difference, both in the skydiving community and beyond... One of my favorite things about skydiving has always been that it transcends all social, cultural, political, and religious boundaries. I enjoy having a tight group of friends composed of people who may not agree with me on every issue. Therefore, even though I may be off base about this, I have to question the logic of bringing politics (real politics, not those kooky DZ politics) into skydiving to the point of organizing "conservative" and "liberal" skydiving factions. The next thing you know, our candidates for USPA office will have party affiliations. We have enough of that crap in the real world; let's keep it out of skydiving. Blue skies, Douva D-22772I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #56 January 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteI know there have to be more than a few of us out there. Let's get together and make a difference, both in the skydiving community and beyond... One of my favorite things about skydiving has always been that it transcends all social, cultural, political, and religious boundaries. I enjoy having a tight group of friends composed of people who may not agree with me on every issue. Therefore, even though I may be off base about this, I have to question the logic of bringing politics (real politics, not those kooky DZ politics) into skydiving to the point of organizing "conservative" and "liberal" skydiving factions. The next thing you know, our candidates for USPA office will have party affiliations. We have enough of that crap in the real world; let's keep it out of skydiving.Quote But this is the Liberal way. To divide people into social, ethnic, cultureral,religious,and economic groups and then pit one against another. Nothing new here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airdweller 0 #57 January 29, 2004 Your post seems to make the most sense on this silly thread. Personally I really don't care where people are politically. To each there own. Skydivers should actually unite by JUMPING together------------------------------------------------------ "From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" C. Montgomery Burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #58 January 29, 2004 QuoteQuotebecause intelligent voters know that gun control is abject stupidity and futility interwoven into a nice faggotized doily. I am very surprised that the moderators allowed you to get away with saying "faggot". I didn't mean it to refer to "gay" in any way. If anyone took offense, I apologize. It was a result of my lack of articulation when I was looking for a word to mean "all milque-toasty and cowardly and useless and limp and ineffective." Sorry. ---Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #59 January 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuotebecause intelligent voters know that gun control is abject stupidity and futility interwoven into a nice faggotized doily. I am very surprised that the moderators allowed you to get away with saying "faggot". I didn't mean it to refer to "gay" in any way. If anyone took offense, I apologize. It was a result of my lack of articulation when I was looking for a word to mean "all milque-toasty and cowardly and useless and limp and ineffective." Sorry. ---Jeffrey That's worthy of some respect points.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Douva 0 #60 January 29, 2004 Quote But this is the Liberal way. To divide people into social, ethnic, cultureral,religious,and economic groups and then pit one against another. Nothing new here. I hate to break it to you, but that's the way of all extremists. Both sides are more concerned with the prosperity of their party than the prosperity of their country. Conservatives and liberals alike try to divide and label and blame, and both sides will defend their leaders and decry their opponents to the end, regardless of the position or the issue. The extreme side of liberalism is communism, and the extreme side of conservatism is fascism, and when you take a long hard look at communism and fascism, they are similarly flawed systems. Take the case of the communists and the fascists battling it out in World War II. The world saw two evil, genocidal totalitarian regimes squaring off like movie monsters in a bad Japanese sequel. Like Godzilla and Rodan, the liberals and conservatives are locked in a constant battle that seldom accomplishes more than leaving everything around them in ruins. Edited to accurately differentiate between social and economic platforms.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #61 January 29, 2004 ya sound a little bitter Douva.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #62 January 29, 2004 Quote The extreme side of liberalism is socialism, and the extreme side of conservatism is fascism, and when you take a long hard look at socialism and fascism, they are similarly flawed systems. I disagree with this statement. The extreme side of socialism is fascism because socialism goes against the human spirit and the perpetrators of liberalism then begin to force the system on the people. Ever read "Animal Farm?" If you haven't, you should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benny 0 #63 January 29, 2004 Hmm, damn drunken posting... gets me in trouble all the time. First of all, let me apologize for causing a ruckus. Didn't mean to really, was just a little tipsy and feeling a bit silly. Yep I'm a liberal and I happily shares my views on things. Some of my best friends ever have been ardent Republicans. Trust me, I don't intend to and would never let politics come between me and another human being, much less someone who shares the bond of skydiving. All that aside, I wasn't in this thread bashing anyone, I was just saying "wassup" to like minded people. Sorry if I offended anyone. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #64 January 29, 2004 Well case made regarding that "other thread" "I rest my case your honor". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WeakMindedFool 0 #65 January 29, 2004 Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves. -Eric Hoffer - Check out these Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benny 0 #66 January 29, 2004 Quote The extreme side of liberalism is socialism, and the extreme side of conservatism is fascism, and when you take a long hard look at socialism and fascism, they are similarly flawed systems. I disagree with this statement. The extreme side of socialism if fascism because socialism goes against the human spirit and the perpetrators of liberalism then begin to force the system on the people. Ever read "Animal Farm?" If you haven't, you should. Actually though, there's been a discussion on this before and whilst fascism allows for private ownership, it demands that ideology be kept in lock-step. Not saying this is true of every conservative (expecially those who are libertarian leaning) but it does have some similarities to extreme right wingers (Ralph Reed, Christian Coalition, Jerry Falwell etc...) Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #67 January 29, 2004 Have to disagree with you both. The political compass has four points. Left and right, and up and down. Fascism is up, regardless of how far left or right you are. And communism is possible without authoritarianism. Stalin was extremely left, and most definitely a fascist, as was Pol Pot. And Hitler was pretty moderate, in fact his economic policies were Keynesian. And Gandhi was very strongly in favor of collectivism, but I challenge you to point out any fascist qualities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #68 January 29, 2004 Word History: It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority. The Italian name of the movement, fascismo, is derived from fascio, “bundle, (political) group,” but also refers to the movement's emblem, the fasces, a bundle of rods bound around a projecting axe-head that was carried before an ancient Roman magistrate by an attendant as a symbol of authority and power. The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benny 0 #69 January 29, 2004 The point being that fascism is a political rather than economic philosopy, if I'm reading you right PhillyKev Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #70 January 29, 2004 Exactly. There are two axes. One is social, the other economic. Fascism/authoritarianism is a social aspect and independent of economic policy. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #71 January 29, 2004 From that site above, this is an interesting graphic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benny 0 #72 January 29, 2004 No real surprise that GWB is the most authoritarian. What does surprise me is how authoritarian most of the Dem candidates are, although that nifty website did tell me I should vote for Kucinich. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Douva 0 #73 January 29, 2004 QuoteExactly. There are two axes. One is social, the other economic. Fascism/authoritarianism is a social aspect and independent of economic policy. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ To be more accurate, I should have used the terms "fascism" and "communism;" however, the word "communist" has been thrown around so loosely in the past that its use instantly congers up images, in many people's minds, of rednecks wearing "better dead than red" belt buckles. Point taken, though. I have edited my previous post to be more accurate and make my point clearer.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Douva 0 #74 January 29, 2004 Quoteya sound a little bitter Douva. Bitter that our nation is being torn apart by what basically amounts to a school rivalry? Me? Never!I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. 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airdweller 0 #57 January 29, 2004 Your post seems to make the most sense on this silly thread. Personally I really don't care where people are politically. To each there own. Skydivers should actually unite by JUMPING together------------------------------------------------------ "From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" C. Montgomery Burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #58 January 29, 2004 QuoteQuotebecause intelligent voters know that gun control is abject stupidity and futility interwoven into a nice faggotized doily. I am very surprised that the moderators allowed you to get away with saying "faggot". I didn't mean it to refer to "gay" in any way. If anyone took offense, I apologize. It was a result of my lack of articulation when I was looking for a word to mean "all milque-toasty and cowardly and useless and limp and ineffective." Sorry. ---Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #59 January 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuotebecause intelligent voters know that gun control is abject stupidity and futility interwoven into a nice faggotized doily. I am very surprised that the moderators allowed you to get away with saying "faggot". I didn't mean it to refer to "gay" in any way. If anyone took offense, I apologize. It was a result of my lack of articulation when I was looking for a word to mean "all milque-toasty and cowardly and useless and limp and ineffective." Sorry. ---Jeffrey That's worthy of some respect points.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #60 January 29, 2004 Quote But this is the Liberal way. To divide people into social, ethnic, cultureral,religious,and economic groups and then pit one against another. Nothing new here. I hate to break it to you, but that's the way of all extremists. Both sides are more concerned with the prosperity of their party than the prosperity of their country. Conservatives and liberals alike try to divide and label and blame, and both sides will defend their leaders and decry their opponents to the end, regardless of the position or the issue. The extreme side of liberalism is communism, and the extreme side of conservatism is fascism, and when you take a long hard look at communism and fascism, they are similarly flawed systems. Take the case of the communists and the fascists battling it out in World War II. The world saw two evil, genocidal totalitarian regimes squaring off like movie monsters in a bad Japanese sequel. Like Godzilla and Rodan, the liberals and conservatives are locked in a constant battle that seldom accomplishes more than leaving everything around them in ruins. Edited to accurately differentiate between social and economic platforms.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #61 January 29, 2004 ya sound a little bitter Douva.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #62 January 29, 2004 Quote The extreme side of liberalism is socialism, and the extreme side of conservatism is fascism, and when you take a long hard look at socialism and fascism, they are similarly flawed systems. I disagree with this statement. The extreme side of socialism is fascism because socialism goes against the human spirit and the perpetrators of liberalism then begin to force the system on the people. Ever read "Animal Farm?" If you haven't, you should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #63 January 29, 2004 Hmm, damn drunken posting... gets me in trouble all the time. First of all, let me apologize for causing a ruckus. Didn't mean to really, was just a little tipsy and feeling a bit silly. Yep I'm a liberal and I happily shares my views on things. Some of my best friends ever have been ardent Republicans. Trust me, I don't intend to and would never let politics come between me and another human being, much less someone who shares the bond of skydiving. All that aside, I wasn't in this thread bashing anyone, I was just saying "wassup" to like minded people. Sorry if I offended anyone. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #64 January 29, 2004 Well case made regarding that "other thread" "I rest my case your honor". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeakMindedFool 0 #65 January 29, 2004 Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves. -Eric Hoffer - Check out these Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #66 January 29, 2004 Quote The extreme side of liberalism is socialism, and the extreme side of conservatism is fascism, and when you take a long hard look at socialism and fascism, they are similarly flawed systems. I disagree with this statement. The extreme side of socialism if fascism because socialism goes against the human spirit and the perpetrators of liberalism then begin to force the system on the people. Ever read "Animal Farm?" If you haven't, you should. Actually though, there's been a discussion on this before and whilst fascism allows for private ownership, it demands that ideology be kept in lock-step. Not saying this is true of every conservative (expecially those who are libertarian leaning) but it does have some similarities to extreme right wingers (Ralph Reed, Christian Coalition, Jerry Falwell etc...) Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #67 January 29, 2004 Have to disagree with you both. The political compass has four points. Left and right, and up and down. Fascism is up, regardless of how far left or right you are. And communism is possible without authoritarianism. Stalin was extremely left, and most definitely a fascist, as was Pol Pot. And Hitler was pretty moderate, in fact his economic policies were Keynesian. And Gandhi was very strongly in favor of collectivism, but I challenge you to point out any fascist qualities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #68 January 29, 2004 Word History: It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority. The Italian name of the movement, fascismo, is derived from fascio, “bundle, (political) group,” but also refers to the movement's emblem, the fasces, a bundle of rods bound around a projecting axe-head that was carried before an ancient Roman magistrate by an attendant as a symbol of authority and power. The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #69 January 29, 2004 The point being that fascism is a political rather than economic philosopy, if I'm reading you right PhillyKev Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #70 January 29, 2004 Exactly. There are two axes. One is social, the other economic. Fascism/authoritarianism is a social aspect and independent of economic policy. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #71 January 29, 2004 From that site above, this is an interesting graphic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #72 January 29, 2004 No real surprise that GWB is the most authoritarian. What does surprise me is how authoritarian most of the Dem candidates are, although that nifty website did tell me I should vote for Kucinich. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #73 January 29, 2004 QuoteExactly. There are two axes. One is social, the other economic. Fascism/authoritarianism is a social aspect and independent of economic policy. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ To be more accurate, I should have used the terms "fascism" and "communism;" however, the word "communist" has been thrown around so loosely in the past that its use instantly congers up images, in many people's minds, of rednecks wearing "better dead than red" belt buckles. Point taken, though. I have edited my previous post to be more accurate and make my point clearer.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #74 January 29, 2004 Quoteya sound a little bitter Douva. Bitter that our nation is being torn apart by what basically amounts to a school rivalry? Me? Never!I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #75 January 29, 2004 QuoteFrom that site above, this is an interesting graphic And the Roster for this game has GWB playing FAR RIGHT field With no one else in the Republican party playing Center Field..there should be plenty of base hits right up the middle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
