diskord 0 #1 January 27, 2004 For all those that had fun decoding Spirit's message, there is now a 2nd message up, that is different, on Opportunity. https://planetary.org/redrover-dvd/dvd_opportunity.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diskord 0 #2 January 27, 2004 I also believe that the image currently up there is from Spirit and not opportunity yet, but here is a link 2 the opportunity Disc: http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/002/1P128365104EFF0100P2205L4M1.JPG and http://origin.mars5.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/002/1P128365137EFF0100P2205L1M1.JPG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 January 27, 2004 WTF? It's the same image and the wording on the web page just doesn't make sense. I think they tried to update the web page with the current name, but just made it a confusing mess.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diskord 0 #4 January 27, 2004 and also after much zooming and analysis done by someone other than me (Thanks X-Scale) 10011011010010010010000001010000010010010010011 01000010010001011001000011001000010001000011001 00011010010010010000000010010000010000000010010 I believe that is what the code is this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diskord 0 #5 January 27, 2004 Quade, look at the links I posted above, they have a picture of the real disc (The disc actually looks different) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 January 27, 2004 I think it looks different because the image was taken at a lower resolution and the compression is playing havok with stuff at the lower end of resolution. Macro-blocks of similar composition would look ok, but fine detail, especially patterns, could be quite deceiving. I wrote them a note asking about the DVD images and also if we'll ever get a chance to see a ranking of some sort. We'll see what they have to say -- shortly I hope.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diskord 0 #7 January 27, 2004 QuoteI think it looks different because the image was taken at a lower resolution and the compression is playing havok with stuff at the lower end of resolution. Macro-blocks of similar composition would look ok, but fine detail, especially patterns, could be quite deceiving. I wrote them a note asking about the DVD images and also if we'll ever get a chance to see a ranking of some sort. We'll see what they have to say -- shortly I hope. Hopefully after the pass tonight then we can get some better pictures. I am trying to debate whether I should even look at trying to hack on that first string of code, or if I should wait for updated pictures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #8 January 28, 2004 Right, from what I see, it seems that we have 3 words, 7,2 and 5 characters long, each letter represented with a 3x2 binary matrix (considering the dots are ones and empty spaces are zeroes) So the message looks like this; 10|11|11|10|10|10|10 01|10 10|10|10|10|11 01|00|10|10|01|11|01 11|01 10|01|00|11|01 00|11|10|10|10|10|00 10|10 10|00|00|10|10 First word begins and ends with the same letter, which also appears in the third word. Three letters appear twice. What does it say? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottbre 0 #9 January 28, 2004 This was pathetically easy compared to the first one. *yawn* Total time spent on this (including straining my eyes at the crappy picture): 20 minutes "Your mother's full of stupidjuice!" My Art Project Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #10 January 28, 2004 Okay, that was way too cheap. And the link to the certificate is not even up yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #11 January 28, 2004 You guys are ticking me off. I don't get this one. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diskord 0 #12 January 28, 2004 QuoteThis was pathetically easy compared to the first one. *yawn* Total time spent on this (including straining my eyes at the crappy picture): 20 minutes Can you post what you used for the binary code? There seem to be some discrepencies as to what people believe is the right binary code. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #13 January 28, 2004 Quote Can you post what you used for the binary code? There seem to be some discrepencies as to what people believe is the right binary code. 10|11|11|10|10|10|10 01|10 10|10|10|10|11 01|00|10|10|01|11|01 11|01 10|01|00|11|01 00|11|10|10|10|10|00 10|10 10|00|00|10|10 Is the correct message. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diskord 0 #14 January 28, 2004 Thanks. I know this is probably stupid, but to get a decimal value for a binary matrix, for example the first letter, would you just write it out 100100 and have a value of 36 or ? Sorry for the dumb math question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #15 January 28, 2004 Quote I know this is probably stupid, but to get a decimal value for a binary matrix, for example the first letter, would you just write it out 100100 and have a value of 36 or ? Sorry for the dumb math question. I'll let someone more knowledgeable answer that (though my guess is that if we're talking code, there are more ways to represent a number in such a matrix). Anyway, you're thinking way too much. The solution of this puzzle will probably be a disappointment to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #16 January 28, 2004 Finally. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut in the forest sometimes. Sadly, I spent way too much time on it. Probably three to four hours. I can't upload the screen shot because I am not computer savvy enough to make it a small enough file. 111010101100101110101110 101101011000010101001111 101010100000001010110000? Brent EDIT: Reduced the # of colors. EDITED AGAIN: Link to certificate still not working. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diskord 0 #17 January 28, 2004 01 1011 1011 0111011001 10 0000 0001 1001100111 00 0010 0010 0000001010 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Linde 0 #18 January 28, 2004 Hmm, it seems they havent promised any clues on the red rover page...dammit its gonna be a long night, i cant see through the numbers And to top it off, people are going "aww man thats too easy" Must be me then... Congrats to yall who made it sofar:-) Linde Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #19 January 28, 2004 We all fell for it for a little while. Don't feel too bad. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #20 January 28, 2004 It's not so much that it is easy - there is just a trick to it that will eventually come to you. You just have to "see" the trick. Brent EDITED to add a hint that will irritate Quade. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Linde 0 #21 January 28, 2004 oh well, ill keep looking for it then:-). Say, will i benefit from reading up some stuff on binary numbers (never understood in tech), or will it just make things complicated? Linde Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 January 28, 2004 Son of a bitch! Ok, I admit it. I was wrong about there being a second message on the second DVD, but when I looked at the image on the web page today, yep, it was a second code and a second message and trivial at that. Once I saw a good picture of it, I recognised it immediately and spent maybe 2 minutes on it! I'm really disappointed in his one. Hardly seems worth the time as an educational exercise. Brent -- 11101101 11101010 0101 0110 10100111 01010111 00000001 1011 1101 01001001 00101010 10001000 0010 1010 00001011!quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diskord 0 #23 January 28, 2004 Quoteoh well, ill keep looking for it then:-). Say, will i benefit from reading up some stuff on binary numbers (never understood in tech), or will it just make things complicated? Linde To do the first one, you might or might not benifiet from reading up on binary numbers, you don't have to know but it helps. The 2nd one, i think I actually hurt myself by putting it in binary, just look at the rover picture and you will see it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lolie 0 #24 January 28, 2004 QuoteI'm really disappointed in his one. Hardly seems worth the time as an educational exercise. Well there goes my motivation to try it... oh, what am I talking about, I'm going to start right now. -Miranda you shall above all things be glad and young / For if you're young,whatever life you wear it will become you;and if you are glad / whatever's living will yourself become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #25 January 28, 2004 What I meant was that it hardly seems worth it as an educational exercise for the kids. I would have thought they'd get this in a different type of class. The first one made a LOT of sense as far as teacing the kids about binary, variable bit rate compression . . . lot's of stuff they should be exposed to in a computer science class. This one, I guess is for the younger kids that aren't quite ready for the more complicated stuff. Also, the first message was very efficient, packing more data into fewer bits. This one is much less efficient than it could be (althought I guess it is quite a bit easier for its real purposes).quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
