jlmiracle 7 #51 January 27, 2004 QuoteI noticed one of the PAX looked like he was having a nervous breakdown and overheard one of his buddys saying that he had done a line of Coke before the lift. I guess he wanted to make the experience a little more intense. I wonder how far out of the door he was before he realised it was a bad move Did he not think his heart would explode without the coke? damn We had a group of tandems show up at 9:00 a.m. one guy, who I saw drive up, gets out of his car holding a beer and his very pregnant wife. Couldn't believe it. We had one guy walk up to him and ask him if he was here to to do a tandem, he said yes, then we explained to him and the rest of his group that HE would not be doing a tandem today and if anyone else in their group has been drinking, they will not be going also. As far as pilots smoking pot, I've never seen it because all the pilots I know either want to fly for an airline/cargo company and I was under the impression they are all drug tested. I still think this thread is kinda trollish. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #52 January 27, 2004 You want to smoke pot do it on your day off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #53 January 27, 2004 Quote Get real benny ,,I have NEVER seen a Drop Zone pilot,,, betray his license, his profession, and his conscience ,,,or jeopardize his credentials by flying in any sort of imparied condition.... Hell,, most every pilot i've ever known or currently know, does not do anything of that sort,,,to any great degree,,, even after the 'light is lit"..and certainly NOT during jumps hours...Man Our jump pilots deserve far greater respect than what you are giving them... Over here, a few months ago an extremely drunk pilot stalled an An-2 just before jump run (those planes are extremely stable and can almost stop in the air before they stop flying). They tumbled from 9000 to about 5000 before he got it under control. I'm really glad most pilots in the states are so great and responsible, but let's not forget some may have different experiences than you, ok? A lot of the pilots that fly us are just making some extra money and do not perceive themselves as DZ pilots (or think very highly of skydivers, for that matter). They also don't seem to have any problems getting into the plane after a few drinks. Sucks, but I'm sure this is not the only place where skydiving operations are run this way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 6 #54 January 27, 2004 Yes, I'm sorry that we some times forget that there is a skydiving world outside of the US and the rules aren't the same or not enforced the same. When I started my DiverDriver.com website I never in my wildest dreams would think that I'd get more emails from foreign pilots than domestic US pilots. It has really surprised me.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeeeeeeFly 0 #55 January 27, 2004 Unfortunately this post will not get the people who have done it and do smoke to reply... So it is really misrepresented. I can understand why people do not do it and the safety reasons that are instilled in ones head for skydiving should be enough... There are people out there that say the same thing about skydiving that have no idea really what is involved... The same can be said about someone who enjoys drinking, smoking, what ever have you. If you have never experienced the situation, your observation is simply an opinion with lack of proof or real data to support. I do not condone something that obviously impairs your perception ability with such a high risk sport, but I also don't believe chastising someone for their beliefs or lifestyle... I feel sad that this post will be one sided by those who feel so objective... Even though it is posted by someone who does not exist other than in cyber space... G "The edge ... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who know where it is are those that have gone over" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #56 January 27, 2004 Based on a past experience, I can definitely say that anyone that thinks it's OK to skydive (or fly) stoned is someone I don't wish to jump (or fly) with. Ever.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AirCav 0 #57 January 27, 2004 O.K!........ I'll feed the troll THE LAW !!! ( Paraphrased ) FAR 91.15 - No pilot can drop anything that creates a hazard. ( Drunks and Dopers are a hazard... offense intended) FAR 91.15 _ No pilot can carry a passenger that is intoxicated or under the influence of drugs.( jump? hell, you can't even carry them) FAR 105.7 No one can jump under the influence of drugs or alcohol. These are just the 3 that directly apply to skydiving. FAR Part 135, 141, 121 etc,etc are even more stringent. FAR 105 pertains to skydivers, not just the pilots. All could be liable if someone gets injured on the ground or in the air. If your under the influence, you are NOT getting on my aircraft. It's just not worth getting your license pulled.GW685,D3888,C5052,SCS843 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BravestDog 0 #58 January 27, 2004 What if a person took a puff or two prior to jumping and they are not acting crazy or dangerous? Would you still feel uncomfortable with this person in your plane or jumping with them? My initial questions were not meant to portray a person who is obviously under the influence of marijuana that they reek of it or are stumbling..., because sometimes if a person takes a puff or two, it may be difficult to determine if a person is under the influence, correct? How would you feel about jumping with or riding up with a person that you can't tell whether they are under the influence, a light user for example? PS. There is no reason to get hostile at me or call me names, I'm just asking some questions about marijuana and jumping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #59 January 27, 2004 Quoteif a person takes a puff or two, it may be difficult to determine if a person is under the influence, correct? How would you feel about jumping with or riding up with a person that you can't tell whether they are under the influence, a light user for example? I think your questions have already been answered by several people . One or two puffs is just as bad as a whole bag or whole bottle. It's not only against the law it is insane and dangerous to all involved be it jumper, pilot or passenger. I don't know how that point can be made any clearer to you after whats already been said."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #60 January 27, 2004 QuoteDang ... you still on that shower thing from the WFFC? (or was it Couch Freaks) Do you have a problem with the lady wanting to take a shower in private? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BravestDog 0 #61 January 27, 2004 Quote One or two puffs is just as bad as a whole bag or whole bottle. I think there is a moderate to major difference between a person who takes a puff or two versus someone who smokes a big fatty before. Wondering if the amount smoked by a person would influence how you feel about jumping with or being in the same plane with? What if a person drank a quarter, half... of a beer prior to jumping. Do you think that has an effect on their reasoning and would that make you not want to be around them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BravestDog 0 #62 January 27, 2004 QuoteIt's not only against the law Is it against the law if a person has a medical prescription from their doctor say for pain, appetite stimulant...to jump under the influence of marijuana? Or are you saying it is against the law to just possess it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldfart 0 #63 January 27, 2004 On my first jump course way back in 1978,there was a slogan "one high at a time".I think that says it all.There's a time and a place for everything. I knew a few guys that jumped stoned back in the day.I only remember one incident where one of them lost track of altitude awareness and finally deployed his main at about 800 feet AGL. He was grounded for a few weeks.Sheer stupidity.Save the weed and the beer after the jumping.It's more enjoyable that way.No pressure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BravestDog 0 #64 January 27, 2004 Air Cav QuoteFAR 105.7 No one can jump under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Do they give a list of what drugs are forbidden? Is aspirin or other mild drugs included? How specific are the FAR's? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AirCav 0 #65 January 27, 2004 Yes, it is against the law. FAR 91.17 makes allowances for passengers taking prescription medication. FAR 105.7 does not. It states ..any drug that effects the persons faculties in any way contrary to safety. No allowance for medication.GW685,D3888,C5052,SCS843 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #66 January 27, 2004 Judy, I'm disappointed. Do not feed the troll. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do%3Dsearch_results%3Bsearch_forum%3Dall%3Bsearch_user_username%3DBravestDog%3Bmh%3D25=Show+user%27s+posts ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #67 January 27, 2004 ... Thanks for your objective input jerry81...my words were 100 % factual,,, I HAVE never seen such behavior in a jump pilot....( I guess I don't get around much ) Yet I will not disagree with your first hand observation.....True enough,, things may be MUCH different in your part of the world.... I try to show respect for pilots,,, until they do something which will lose that respect.... It appears that the pilot you mention has done just that..... Antanov AN-2 Bi plane... slooooow climber... tough to stall.... so.. you and your friends would do well to be careful out there....and Oh yes..... what was the response from the drop zone operator????.. good luck jerry81 .................jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jlmiracle 7 #68 January 27, 2004 QuoteJudy, I'm disappointed. Do not feed the troll. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do%3Dsearch_results%3Bsearch_forum%3Dall%3Bsearch_user_username%3DBravestDog%3Bmh%3D25=Show+user%27s+posts I was thinking about hijacking it but its in general skydiving and I was going to incorporate PENIS's some how, but that belongs in Talk Back. If nothing else, I'm good at killing threads. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #69 January 27, 2004 Pot / alcohol- bad mescaline- good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gerryfuss 0 #70 January 27, 2004 Does pot enhance your skydiving experience? I personally get enough of a rush off of skydiving without throwing drugs or alcohol into the equation. You have to know your own limits and think "Is this substance really going to help me up there?". Obviously if someone needs to take a gravol to handle the skydive from motion sickness there's nothing wrong with that. I think it's best to avoid usage of drugs or alcohol while jumping, and once that last load is done for the day you can do whatever the hell pleases you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yardhippie 0 #71 January 27, 2004 Quote I was thinking about hijacking it but its in general skydiving and I was going to incorporate PENIS's some how, but that belongs in Talk Back. If nothing else, I'm good at killing threads. Judy [giggle] peeeeeeniiiiiis [/giggle] LOL at Judy! Oh yea... me no like smoke/jump at same time. but jumping into smoke.... different question all together.Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeryde13 0 #72 January 27, 2004 rat_________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lee03 0 #73 January 27, 2004 Speaking as both a pilot, and a skydiver, there is no way that i would fly a plane, or jump with another skydiver if I knew that they had been either drinking or smoking before hand! Both are substances that impair reaction time, vision, judgement, etc! When flying a plane, or jumping from one, I concentrate, 100% on what I am doing, and expect all others around me to do the same, someone impaired, in any way, by any type of substance, cannot do this and is a hazzard, liability and danger to the safety of all involved! The FARS are clear and they are the law! To violate them not only risks everybody, from a legal standpoint, but also risk the safety of others involved. Noone has a right to do either, in my opinion!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #74 January 28, 2004 This topic was already discussed quite thoroughly after a stoned skydiver went in in Chicago. As you can see, such an event did wonders for the public perception of skydivers. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=212112#212112 My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chachi 0 #75 January 28, 2004 I understand curiosity but this thread seems as likely to get honest responses of oh yeah I get baked b4 every jump like I have of being elected President of the USA, although if some dope like Bush can get elected ........ ~Chachi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 3 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
jlmiracle 7 #68 January 27, 2004 QuoteJudy, I'm disappointed. Do not feed the troll. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do%3Dsearch_results%3Bsearch_forum%3Dall%3Bsearch_user_username%3DBravestDog%3Bmh%3D25=Show+user%27s+posts I was thinking about hijacking it but its in general skydiving and I was going to incorporate PENIS's some how, but that belongs in Talk Back. If nothing else, I'm good at killing threads. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #69 January 27, 2004 Pot / alcohol- bad mescaline- good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerryfuss 0 #70 January 27, 2004 Does pot enhance your skydiving experience? I personally get enough of a rush off of skydiving without throwing drugs or alcohol into the equation. You have to know your own limits and think "Is this substance really going to help me up there?". Obviously if someone needs to take a gravol to handle the skydive from motion sickness there's nothing wrong with that. I think it's best to avoid usage of drugs or alcohol while jumping, and once that last load is done for the day you can do whatever the hell pleases you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #71 January 27, 2004 Quote I was thinking about hijacking it but its in general skydiving and I was going to incorporate PENIS's some how, but that belongs in Talk Back. If nothing else, I'm good at killing threads. Judy [giggle] peeeeeeniiiiiis [/giggle] LOL at Judy! Oh yea... me no like smoke/jump at same time. but jumping into smoke.... different question all together.Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #72 January 27, 2004 rat_________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #73 January 27, 2004 Speaking as both a pilot, and a skydiver, there is no way that i would fly a plane, or jump with another skydiver if I knew that they had been either drinking or smoking before hand! Both are substances that impair reaction time, vision, judgement, etc! When flying a plane, or jumping from one, I concentrate, 100% on what I am doing, and expect all others around me to do the same, someone impaired, in any way, by any type of substance, cannot do this and is a hazzard, liability and danger to the safety of all involved! The FARS are clear and they are the law! To violate them not only risks everybody, from a legal standpoint, but also risk the safety of others involved. Noone has a right to do either, in my opinion!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #74 January 28, 2004 This topic was already discussed quite thoroughly after a stoned skydiver went in in Chicago. As you can see, such an event did wonders for the public perception of skydivers. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=212112#212112 My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chachi 0 #75 January 28, 2004 I understand curiosity but this thread seems as likely to get honest responses of oh yeah I get baked b4 every jump like I have of being elected President of the USA, although if some dope like Bush can get elected ........ ~Chachi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites