Unbelievable?

[sdgregory 0]

I am looking at my log book right now.

Levels 1 thru 7 - Manta 290

Levels 8 thru 17 - Nav 260

Levels 18 thru 22 - 240 (Did not log whether it was a Manta or Nav but I think it was a Nav.)

Levels 23-25 plus jumps 26 - 31 - Hornet 230.

32-33 I jumped a 7-cell F111 that I rented because my hornet was getting some things done to it. I do not remember the size but I think it was 210. If Phreezone reads this he could fill in that blank. (I forgot to write that bit of info in my log book.)

Up until three weeks ago I weighed 240 lbs out the door. Now I am down to 230 and going down each day. So now I load at a little over 1:1 I think.

I know that one of the chicas I was going through AFF at the same time with was downsizing a little more often than I was. But she still has not reached even a 1:1 loading.

I see no reason why you would lie about the rate at which you dowqnsized. From the little I have seen most people downsize throughout their progression.

That said, I do see how someone might think this is an exageration just because it sounds unbelievably dangerous to allow someone to downsize so rapidly. Even with my limited experience, the rate at which you are downsizing seems like a bad idea.

Wing loading is only part of the thing to think about. Smaller canopies by nature are more agressive. If I am wrong here someone let me know. I am always open to educating.

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[StearmanR985 0]

Doesn't seem TOO unbelievable to me. My 1st 2 AF's were on a 220 @ .97:1 followed by a 190 @ 1.1:1 On jump 22 I switched to and purchased a 175 @ 1.2:1.

I didn't ask to be downsized I just followed my JM's advice. I fully trusted his judgement. It worked out very well. My landings on the 190 were better than the 220 and the 175 are better yet.

[sdgregory 0]

Yeah, I think it is easier to land my Hornet than it is the others.

[benny 0]

You madman! And I thought I was risky... I'm not sure, maybe I should be scared shitless of what I'm jumping. Seems to be that some think so, others not so much. I'm definitely sticking with what my JMs say, they haven't gotten me killed yet.

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[Michele 1]

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Get over yourself.

Yes.

Quite.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[chaoskitty 0]

You did AFF at ASC? Yah so did I, and the same situation happened with me. Why? because I had different AFF instructors for every level. I believe my first couple of jumps were under something around a 235..which is HEWGE for me, but ok for AFF. I do recall my level 7 instructor wanting me to jump something like a 169, and I said no way, I want the 190.
I'd have to look in my logbook to see what I actually jumped, but thats how I remember it. It was also before they got all the new student gear, so dont bother telling me that they dont even have a student rig 169.
Canopy control was not my strong point during AFF (though I never landed off, which is easy to do at ASC), so I cant say that they were just soooo impressed with my progress that I was ready to downsize so quickly.

[benny 0]

So it isn't unbelievable.... No problem kitty, I know they recently got new student gear, I wasn't going to accuse you of lying. Actually I think one of the canopies I referred to as a 210 may have been a 209, though I'm not exactly sure, oops. Now if they try to put me on a 150 next time. No thanks, gimme the 170. I've been fortunate enough to have fairly consistent (meaning usually the same) JMs (thanks Stewart, you're great).

Note to any other JMs I've had: you all were great too it's just that Stewie's been with me most of the time.

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[Pick 0]

Exactly where did politics enter the talent/ability/wing-loading/AFF progression formula?

Perhaps I'm confused.

[TribalTalon 0]

hmmm.. i went from a 260 on my first jump to a 240 on my second, to a 220 on my 3rd and 4th, to a 200 on my 5th and 6th, a 220 on my 7th and 8th (i was at eloy and the 220 was the smallest they had) and a 190 from 9 to like 17, and the 185 from 18 to 26. my next jump will be on my spectre 170. i've stood up every landing since my... 3rd? and i was in control of each and every one of those landings. i would have downsized to the 170 but they've been out of commission needing a cypress repair or reserve pack or whatever. If somebody told me that i was unsafe under canopy, or thought i would hurt myself, i would listen and act accordingly. you cant just judge everybody on a flat scale. people learn at different rates. i just got the hang of it quicker. *shrugs* do i think i'm cooler or more bad ass as a result? nope. doesnt really matter to me. could care less if you're flying a napkin or a chute the size of a house as long as you're safe and dont hurt yourself.

(btw i'm about 190 out the door)

[benny 0]

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Exactly where did politics enter the talent/ability/wing-loading/AFF progression formula?

Perhaps I'm confused.

It didn't, I just couldn't figure out any other reason for the person to accuse me of lying other than that he had issues with my political views. There's a link to that thread somewhere in this thread. Oh well.

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[Pick 0]

My current flight instructor considers log books to be some of the most prolific works of fiction ever produced in quantity.

If you desperately feel the need to tell us about it, chances are good that some of us won't be overly impressed. Sorry. I hate it for ya.

They might not be laughing with you.......they may very well be laughing AT you........

Lying? maybe, then again, maybe not. I don't know them nor do I know you, so I have nothing to gain either way.

It's just a thought.........or a collection of thoughts........I'm a one-jump-wonder........take it for what it's worth.

[pds 0]

huh?

namaste, motherfucker.

[Gawain 0]

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I'm not going to name names, that would be unkind. But a certain person thinks that I'm lying when I say that I jumped a 210 for levels 1&2, a 190 for 3&4, and a 170 for 5&6. I'm a skinny guy, that gets me to a 1:1 loading now. The guy accuses me of trying to lie myself into a tight-nit community, says he's gonna call my DZ and ask. I welcome him to, give him the names of my JMs. He just calls me a liar some more.

You keep a log book right? No big deal. My progression wasn't as quick, but from jump #1 (AFF) I went from a Falcon 300 to a Triathlon 160 at jump 33. I've been jumping that size since, but hey...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[champu 1]

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Exactly where did politics enter the talent/ability/wing-loading/AFF progression formula?

Benny made a political comment and someone suggested he stopped talking about politics and work on his landings, and so on and so forth.

IANAI but a 1:1 wingloading for a student is considered pretty aggresive by most manufacturers' standards. Also, I will tell anyone that asks me that it's better to change as little as possible at least until you have your license. IMO there's no reason to add variables to an already difficult to learn activity.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Sadly, it doesn't shock me at all to learn about your canopy downsizing.

Why not? I read the incidents forum.

what he said.

from watching 2 landings (some of your very first landings at that) your jm ok's aff student to downsize? and then yet again after a few more?

Maybe it should not be automatically assumed that the JM was remiss in okaying the aff student to downsize. Does the student have pilot training? This, I'm told, helps students understand and then accomplish good landings with a proper pattern, altitude awareness, and flare. I know, because my own pilot training benefited me. My JM knew that I had done four long-ago static line jumps (canopy unknown at this point) and AFF I, and knew I was a pilot, and although all I had available to jump was a PD 190 in F11, I was RELEASED on my first non-tandem AFP jump. Sure, I was all over the sky, but I had my mental shit more-or-less together and made a safe deployment at altitude and landed fine. Stood it up, as I recall. No, wait, not that one. Anyway, I'm just saying that I don't think there's something so crazy wrong with making the progression he made. A lot of factors may have been considered by the JM before he okayed this particular deal, and we're not aware of them.

---Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[pds 0]

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IANAI but a 1:1 wingloading for a student is considered pretty aggresive by most manufacturers' standards. Also, I will tell anyone that asks me that it's better to change as little as possible at least until you have your license. IMO there's no reason to add variables to an already difficult to learn activity.

this is my point. changing canopies also changes the landing characteristics most importantly the flare. i feel a student should get as much guided practice doing that really important thing, landing, before said student is released into the wild. changing canopies every 2 jumps does not achieve this end IMO. i am not saying that benny is a crater waiting for coordinates. i am saying that he should not have flown 3 different canopies in his first 7 jumps.

namaste, motherfucker.

[benny 0]

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IANAI but a 1:1 wingloading for a student is considered pretty aggresive by most manufacturers' standards. Also, I will tell anyone that asks me that it's better to change as little as possible at least until you have your license. IMO there's no reason to add variables to an already difficult to learn activity.

this is my point. changing canopies also changes the landing characteristics most importantly the flare. i feel a student should get as much guided practice doing that really important thing, landing, before said student is released into the wild. changing canopies every 2 jumps does not achieve this end IMO. i am not saying that benny is a crater waiting for coordinates. i am saying that he should not have flown 3 different canopies in his first 7 jumps.

thanks for listening and once again, thanks for your support

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