quade 4 #76 January 12, 2004 Yeah, it's that 297 bit first sentance of the clue that has me stumped. Can't hardly wait to see the next clue posted.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyne 0 #77 January 12, 2004 I hear ya ... Look at the characters after every comma and every period. There is definitely repition there. The first 8 bits after each comma/period are the same ... would be nice to know how many to count as a .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #78 January 12, 2004 Quote I hear ya ... Look at the characters after every comma and every period. There is definitely repition there. The first 8 bits after each comma/period are the same ... would be nice to know how many to count as a .... I'm not completely certain you can 100% make the assumption that the SPACE character follows the comma or period based on the first five characters. For instance, if that character -was- the space, then you'd also expect it to repeat on average every 25 bits. 25 bits would equal one word and in the english language the average word in common usage is 5 letters. For instance, look at the previous paragraph. It is comprised of 365 characters, 299 of which are not spaces. 365-299=66 and 365/66=5.53030303030303 So, if •••|| = SPACE I'd expect to see it a heck of a lot more often than we've seen it so far. Itispossiblethatthespacecharacterwillhavetobeinferedbythecontext.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyne 0 #79 January 12, 2004 You do have a point. Disregards my 5 bit statement, I have since then had coffee and it no longer makes sense Looking at plain written english (granted, its not my primary language but still) the way I was taught to write it a period should be followed by two spaces. That would support that theory, however that would mean it's 5 bit code and that does'nt make any sense ... Where's that $%^!@#$^ 2nd clue??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #80 January 12, 2004 QuoteThere is definitely repition there. If the whole thing was repetitious, then we could identify it as a techno song. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #82 January 12, 2004 Quote You do have a point. Disregards my 5 bit statement, I have since then had coffee and it no longer makes sense Well, a 5-bit code was my FIRST choice based on the actual message on the DVD on Mars. It would make the easiest code to crack and as others have pointed out, would have been a relevant lesson for younger code crackers. The first 5-bit code was one proposed by Sir Francis Bacon. He didn't realize it at the time, but he had just invented binary. I've enclosed a table of a couple different ways of looking at 5-bit coding. In case anyone is wondering, I made a distiction between what I call Baudot 1 and Baudot 2. Baudot 1 is how it would actually look on a piece of punched tape. Baudot 2 is the actual elements in order according to their ordinal placement. On the paper tape the elements get punched out 54123, but the code code elements are 12345. It's very confusing ain't it? Also, the original "BACON" code only consisted of 24 characters. I guess he didn't feel the need for "J" or "U". As you can see, it's just a simple binary order with A = 00000. I extrapolated it for a modern character set. If the Red Rover code turns out to be a 5-bit code, I don't think it's any of these in it's "normal" form. I've tried them all out and nothing makes a whole lot of sense.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #83 January 12, 2004 Your problem is that you don't think like a 7th grader. When asked to complete sentences from some common figures of speech, schoolkids are reputed to have answered: A penny saved is... not much Two's company, three's... the Musketeers Laugh and the whole world laughs with you, cry and... you have to blow your nose None are so blind as... Stevie Wonder Better late than... pregnant... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyne 0 #84 January 12, 2004 I think we've tried pretty much the same approach using the same (more or less at least) set of tables. I'm stumped ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #85 January 12, 2004 Quote Your problem is that you don't think like a 7th grader. I've been called both childlike and childish. I'd like to think the answer is both simple and elegant, but right now I'm stumped. HEY! I don't see you coming up with anything!quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyne 0 #86 January 12, 2004 QuoteQuote Your problem is that you don't think like a 7th grader. I've been called both childlike and childish. I'd like to think the answer is both simple and elegant, but right now I'm stumped. HEY! I don't see you coming up with anything! Yeah .... What he said! LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #87 January 12, 2004 Quote HEY! I don't see you coming up with anything! WRONG... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyne 0 #88 January 12, 2004 QuoteQuote HEY! I don't see you coming up with anything! Addition: Of value LOL WRONG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #89 January 12, 2004 Well, I guess a wrong answer is a wrong answer. It does server to eliminate one possibility. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyne 0 #90 January 12, 2004 LOL! Yeah, I guess you do have a point there ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #91 January 12, 2004 QuoteWell, I guess a wrong answer is a wrong answer. It does server to eliminate one possibility Wait we can give wrong answers? Its the lyrics to "Radar Love". Its Romeo and Juliet written backwards...by Monkeys that are stoned. Its the recipe for McDonalds "Secret Sauce". Its the location of OBL, and a map to the WMD in Iraq. There, I have done my part"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #92 January 12, 2004 For a while, I was sure the dots would spell 'LEGO' if I shifted them around enough. Okay, so I wasn't exactly sober at the time. But add that to the list of false answers as well... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottbre 0 #93 January 12, 2004 Has anyone tried the inverse log of the binary value yet? "Your mother's full of stupidjuice!" My Art Project Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #94 January 12, 2004 QuoteQuoteWell, I guess a wrong answer is a wrong answer. It does server to eliminate one possibility Wait we can give wrong answers? Its the lyrics to "Radar Love". Its Romeo and Juliet written backwards...by Monkeys that are stoned. Its the recipe for McDonalds "Secret Sauce". Its the location of OBL, and a map to the WMD in Iraq. There, I have done my part Hey, at least my solution is known to protect Earthlings from Martians.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #95 January 12, 2004 QuoteWell, I guess a wrong answer is a wrong answer. It does server to eliminate one possibility. You can't prove that it's wrong. With an appropriate key, anything can be encrypted into anything else. My solution may not be likely, but it's not impossible.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #96 January 12, 2004 What are some famous encoded messages that the clue might be? I am wondering if the clue might have included punctuation in order to give a visual hint about what the clue is. Can anyone think of two famous sentences, the second of which contains two commas? In all likelihood, they would have to do with exploration or space travel. Brent ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #97 January 12, 2004 QuoteHey, at least my solution is known to protect Earthlings from Martians They didn't even TRY "Radar Love". McDonalds "Secret Sauce" is a killer."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #98 January 12, 2004 If it is a five bit code, then the hint message starts with a double letter. This would be quite uncommon. In fact, I can't really think of any words off the top of my head that start with a repeated letter. The repeated five bits are not used elsewhere in the message, leading me to believe they would be infrequently used letters. So maybe it starts out "ZZ Top once said..." Brent ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #99 January 12, 2004 QuoteIf it is a five bit code, then the hint message starts with a double letter. Brent Aardvark... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #100 January 12, 2004 2 minutes. Not bad at all. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
