HeatherB 0 #1 January 23, 2004 Someone send happy canopy-finding vibes to Z-hills b/c my main is gone....they've been looking for it all day and no luck so far. Loaned it to a friend and she had to chop. She's fine, which is great, but the canopy is nowehere to be found. She chopped it on the sunset load yesterday. I'm freaking out. I do not have gobs of cash right now to go out and buy a new one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 January 23, 2004 Is'nt that canopy a tad cursed? How many chops on it? You want a Jedei? Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarcie 0 #3 January 23, 2004 Question from a newbie: Whose responsibility is it to replace the canopy in this situation? Sorry to hear your canopy is gone, and very glad your friend is OK! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #4 January 23, 2004 Are you sure she chopped?, maybe it's a scam j/k VIBES!!!! and also glad to hear your friend is OK__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcandalysse 0 #5 January 23, 2004 check farmer mcnasty's barn! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elfanie 0 #6 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuestion from a newbie: Whose responsibility is it to replace the canopy in this situation? In my newbie opinion....it's absolutely the responsibility of the chopper (borrowing friend). If I loan my car to someone and they wreck it...who should have to pay for repairs? Friend was flying it...friend was responsible for it. Friend did the right thing to chop, but friend became responsible for that canopy the second she took posession of it. Just like friend would be responsible for her own safety and gear checks and everything... -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #7 January 23, 2004 it should be your friend's responsibility to replace the canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #8 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuestion from a newbie: Whose responsibility is it to replace the canopy in this situation? That gets complicated with lending it to a friend.... If I borrow someone's gear, I feel its my responsability to bring it back to them. Thats the general rule, but again, sometimes its gets sticky....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stacy 0 #10 January 23, 2004 I"m so sorry Heather!! Hopefully your buddy will step up and help out. Where did she chop? I hope it's not in the swamp... or at McNastys.... __ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #11 January 23, 2004 seriously... good news your friend is okay... but now she should be thinking about replacing your gear very quickly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #12 January 23, 2004 QuoteShe chopped it on the sunset load yesterday. Your friend should know better than to have a malfunction on the sunset load. You know what the BSRs say about that."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #13 January 23, 2004 QuoteIn my newbie opinion....it's absolutely the responsibility of the chopper (borrowing friend). But...who what the last person packing it?, I mean, if I packed it and my friend borrowed it and my friends chops...in a way is my fault, but if it was his/her packing job that's a different story.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DShiznit 0 #14 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteIn my newbie opinion....it's absolutely the responsibility of the chopper (borrowing friend). But...who what the last person packing it?, I mean, if I packed it and my friend borrowed it and my friends chops...in a way is my fault, but if it was his/her packing job that's a different story. Yes, but who was the last person to air up my tires? Is it their fault if I get a flat? Nope. Heather, your friend owes you a new canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elfanie 0 #15 January 23, 2004 Quote But...who what the last person packing it?, I mean, if I packed it and my friend borrowed it and my friends chops...in a way is my fault, but if it was his/her packing job that's a different story. If I use a packer at the DZ and I have a mal....are they financially responsible? (even in part?) -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #16 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteIn my newbie opinion....it's absolutely the responsibility of the chopper (borrowing friend). But...who what the last person packing it?, I mean, if I packed it and my friend borrowed it and my friends chops...in a way is my fault, but if it was his/her packing job that's a different story. Yes, but who was the last person to air up my tires? Is it their fault if I get a flat? Nope. Heather, your friend owes you a new canopy. In conclusion: DON'T LEND GEAR!!!! __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflygoddess 0 #17 January 23, 2004 Well I go by the golden rule: "Once the rig is on your back and you are exiting that door it is yours until giving all of it back to the owner" Meaning it is your responsability to check the pack job before using, and your responsiablity to save your ass under a mal and your responsiablity to pay for that reserve pack job, bringing back the main and free bag and if it so happens pay for that cypress fire...I consider it yours once you are out that door and you are responsiable for your shit and bringing it back to the owner.... glad she is ok, but she really should be the one replacing your main and she should be the one out there looking for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #18 January 23, 2004 Did you call Robert? That guy could find a pint of brown gravy in a cesspool. It is amazing some of the gear he has returned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arlo 0 #19 January 23, 2004 QuoteIf I use a packer at the DZ and I have a mal....are they financially responsible? (even in part?) not even in the least. you take FULL responsibility when you get a pack job...period. blues, arlo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #20 January 23, 2004 QuoteThat guy could find a pint of brown gravy in a cesspool. Ewwwwwwww... I don't know Robert, but that's grose! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #21 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteThat guy could find a pint of brown gravy in a cesspool. Ewwwwwwww... I don't know Robert, but that's grose! Language is all about imagery. I guess that was pretty clear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #22 January 23, 2004 Heather didn't pack it, and it wasn't in her rig, but it was on her risers which are shorter and matched the split colors on her rig (each one was a different color). I think the PC and D-Bag may be hers as well. Also, it was a custom ordered Lotus 136 that matched her gear. The main was fine - Sally checked it out after her last chop two weeks ago, and someone test jumped it a few times to make sure it was fine. The jumper lost her Freebag and PC. So this was a very expensive jump. They think it is in the swamp, and the recovery guy was out looking for it today, and they flew the otter over the swamp. No luck yet._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elfanie 0 #23 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteIf I use a packer at the DZ and I have a mal....are they financially responsible? (even in part?) not even in the least. you take FULL responsibility when you get a pack job...period. blues, arlo then why should the person who loaned the rig to her friend be in any way financially responsible if there is a mal? I know I'd feel bad...but that shouldn't make me financially responsible. (like the tire analogy...if I loan my car to someone and it gets a flat and they wreck it..it should still be up to them to fix my car) -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcrocker 0 #24 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuestion from a newbie: Whose responsibility is it to replace the canopy in this situation? In my newbie opinion....it's absolutely the responsibility of the chopper (borrowing friend). If I loan my car to someone and they wreck it...who should have to pay for repairs? Friend was flying it...friend was responsible for it. Friend did the right thing to chop, but friend became responsible for that canopy the second she took posession of it. Just like friend would be responsible for her own safety and gear checks and everything... I agree fully but ... 1) I wouldn't want to lose a friend because I made them pay for my canopy. 2) I wouldn't approach said friend, I would expect friend to come to me with a 'payment' plan 3) I sure as hell wouldn't want friend to think 'Oh, shit, if I chop this I gotta buy it. I wonder if I can land this line over' and go in. Nothing is assumed, set the guidelines before you loan your gear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JRock 0 #25 January 23, 2004 Basically... If I borrow something and lose it... Would I be responsible for replacing it? Why is this different? I am not a fan of borrowing gear or lending gear... but will do it if I know the person can't jump otherwise. But if they lost my shit... I would expect reimbursement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
