SkydiveNFlorida 0 #51 January 23, 2004 (((vibes))) I hope you find it :( To add to what has been said, I think that the person who chopped it should definitely volunteer to AT LEAST help pay for it. If I had chopped it, i'd definitely be working on paying what it was worth. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dterrick 0 #52 January 23, 2004 Happy vibes for the safe return of your ride, Heather. Others have mentined it before in other circumstances, how 'bout your homeowners insurance policy?... your friends' policy? IF it is covered, and IF your premiums rise for "X" years because of a claim, you could figure out what the true cost of the claim is and then decide if it is worth pursuing a claim. In the mean time, perhaps your DZO has something to "rent" or loan to keep you buying jump tix? Yes, if I was the friend I'd have made those enquiries already - I wish you the same good fortune. Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #53 January 23, 2004 2 words "renters insurance"Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #54 January 23, 2004 You'll find it Heather. Just look in the swamp! -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #55 January 24, 2004 QuoteHappy vibes for the safe return of your ride, Heather. Others have mentined it before in other circumstances, how 'bout your homeowners insurance policy?... your friends' policy? IF it is covered, and IF your premiums rise for "X" years because of a claim, you could figure out what the true cost of the claim is and then decide if it is worth pursuing a claim. >> We heard about Robert the swamp guy (canopy rat) all the way up here in Seattle. if he can't find it then IMO someone stole it! R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #56 January 24, 2004 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) I wouldn't want to lose a friend because I made them pay for my canopy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't need friends that wouldn't offer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) I wouldn't approach said friend, I would expect friend to come to me with a 'payment' plan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would give them time to find it, but if they don't make the offer, I'd ask. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) I sure as hell wouldn't want friend to think 'Oh, shit, if I chop this I gotta buy it. I wonder if I can land this line over' and go in. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why would they think any differently than if they were using their own gear that they have to pay for? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing is assumed, set the guidelines before you loan your gear. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's the best idea. Say, "Here you go, if you chop it and lose it, you buy it. Ok?" AGREED... I would take my friends car keys until I got my new main.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mad47 0 #57 January 24, 2004 QuoteAGREED... I would take my friends car keys until I got my new main.. Good way to loose a friend. Heather: I hope you'll find it. I know the guy who was looking for his tiny main for a week or so and finally found it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites carbonezone 0 #58 January 24, 2004 I watched it from the ground along with some other people on the DZ. We were all cheering "cool its gonna land right here. Only to find out the winds were really weird on the sunset load (based on some other shit that happened too). We all stood there watching the main drift "appeared to be heading right in the field in front of us". At appox 1000' it took off going the opposite way.....F@ck. Dave quickly took off in the truck to go look but lost it. I mean it took OFF. Sorry Heather hopefully it will come back! As you know, we have the best canopy scout here in z-hills!! Lesson learned here "never under-estimate the zephyr winds"!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #59 January 24, 2004 Is there any way to weight one side of the risers a bit more so the main goes straight down instead of floating away if you chop it? Put some kind of smoke bomb on it where when you chop it spews orange smoke for 10 minutes so you can find it or at least see what direction it was heading???? Small mouse with a radio that has pilot channel? Anything? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jsaxton 0 #60 January 24, 2004 Uh, wouldn't it be her responsibility to find/replace it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #61 January 24, 2004 QuoteUh, wouldn't it be her responsibility to find/replace it? It was a good friend of her's that used it - I'm sure that won't be an issue. As far as location devices - smoke bomb could burn your stuff. Somone was trying to create a canopy lojak once - it activated when the risers left the rig via a lanyard._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites okalb 104 #62 January 24, 2004 Quotehow 'bout your homeowners insurance policy?... your friends' policy? I have a friend that claimed a lost cutaway main on his home owner's insurance and it was certainly not worth it. He was only given the value of the lost main, not the replacement cost. The main was several years old, so all he got was around $350 after the deductible. His rates were promptly raised because of the claim. He is also unable to change insurance companies now because they all ask if he has had any claims in the last three years. When he says yes, they decline coverage. It was certainly not worth the $350 he got to put towards the new main. -OKTime flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeatherB 0 #63 January 24, 2004 I suppose I should have worded the "I don't have the money" part better... What I meant was, if I had *tons* of money I wouldn't even blink an eye, I'd just order a new one. That would save some heartache on both sides. Unfortunately, I don't have $1500 laying around for a new canopy. (wasn't planning for that in my budget) We'll figure it out. Nobody is placing blame or being rude. We're friends. I'll be back at the DZ in a little bit. Maybe we will find it today. (smidgen of hope, but fading fast) We figured out last night that 8 or 10 hours of sunlight is like putting 100 jumps on the canopy. (sun exposure time), but we were all pretty drunk, so that might be wrong! I have a canopy to jump today, either a Sabre2 135 or a Pilot 135. Oh, Bubbles - the person who chopped is your friend Heidi. She is okay. She just feels bad, poor thing. Phree - The canopy has 4 chops on it now...hmmm... We drunk dialed Brian Germain last night. (along with a bunch of other ppl - sorry Kris!) We'll see if Brian calls back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HeatherB 0 #64 January 24, 2004 Quote2 words "renters insurance" I do have homeowner's insurance but like Oren said, it can cause more harm than good. They can raise your rates, deny you coverage when you go to renew, etc. Plus, I just switched to a new company yesterday, I'm thinking they'd get suspicious if I made a claim within the first week of my coverage, lol. It just seems like a bad idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites selbbub78 0 #65 January 24, 2004 Quote Oh, Bubbles - the person who chopped is your friend Heidi. She is okay. She just feels bad, poor thing. No, actually I did know that already. I had another friend (mike i'm still incredibly sorry)who had to chop earlier in the week over the swamps at z-hills (we were visiting for 1 1/2 weeks) when we were doing CRW, and his canopy got wrapped around someone's foot at 9K. From what I understand heather is that they have a good idea of where it went down. I guess the "trackers" saw it go down, so the chances of finding it are extremly high. They told us earlier that they haven't lost a canopy in over 30 years, so hopefully you will be getting it back soon. Still giving you canopy finding ~~VIBES~~, hope you get it back,"Women fake orgasms - men fake whole relationships" – Sharon Stone "The world is my dropzone" (wise crewdog quote) "The light dims, until full darkness pierces into the world."-KDM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sdgregory 0 #66 January 24, 2004 I am sorry but I am a firm believer in this philosphy: If you cannot afford to give something away, or loose it, then do not lend it. When you lend something you run the risk of it being lost or damaged while in that person's possession. I NEVER loan anything I cannot afford to loose. If the friend offers to replace it then I accept the offer, but if they do not, I accept the risk I took. On the other hand if the shoe is on the other foot adn I borrow something and it becomes lost or damged I work hard to replace it. In either case I assume all responsibility and that allows replaceable money or possesions to never get in the way of friendship which is irreplaceable. Of course for this reason I borrow and loan very few things, but when I do I follow this principle completely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerm 0 #67 January 24, 2004 turns out it was, from left to right (as in the way we read)... "Blue Skies, Black death" and i didn't have to land it backward :) Landing without injury is not necessarily evidence that you didn't fuck up... it just means you got away with it this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kramer 0 #68 January 24, 2004 QuoteOh, Bubbles - the person who chopped is your friend Heidi. She is okay. She just feels bad, poor thing. That red-haired girl that packs? -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybrat68 0 #69 January 24, 2004 No. You're thinkin of Flora. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bobsled92 0 #70 January 24, 2004 QuoteIs there any way to weight one side of the risers a bit more so the main goes straight down instead of floating away if you chop it? I was thinking of a skinny sandbag weight for 1 riser idea, just to keep it in a spiral rather than float way. (though was there as my main floated into the 60' trees at CrossKeys) I'll think of something workable & TSO friendly. the "simpler" the less chance to failing._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #71 January 24, 2004 That is what I had in mind. The only thing I see is unequal loading of one riser more than the other. How much weight can you add to one side before you see a slight turn? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bobsled92 0 #72 January 24, 2004 QuoteThat is what I had in mind. The only thing I see is unequal loading of one riser more than the other. How much weight can you add to one side before you see a slight turn? Well, I have a new Comp Cobalt....I could just let the three rings go on the one side as I pull up and down....... I have no idea. Iwould depend on the canopy too. My Raven III and Triathalon 220 are going to fel little effect to a minor weight. Comp. would spiral like a dust devil._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kramer 0 #73 January 24, 2004 QuoteNo. You're thinkin of Flora. Ah, I was thinkin her name was Heidi. My bad. -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redramdriver 0 #74 January 24, 2004 U borrow it....U use it....U abuse it....U loose it...U buy me a new one!!!! pretty cut and driedSo, you bring your beer? Its 5 o'clock somewhere POPS #9344 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sdgregory 0 #75 January 24, 2004 Only problem with this is that we are talking about something we all know can happen. We all know that at any jump, no matter who jumps it, there could be a need for a cut away that results in both the main and the reserve D-bag/pilotchute being lost. Better make sure you only loan it to people who can actually afford to pay for it. I still say do not loan what you cannot afford to loose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
rhino 0 #56 January 24, 2004 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) I wouldn't want to lose a friend because I made them pay for my canopy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't need friends that wouldn't offer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) I wouldn't approach said friend, I would expect friend to come to me with a 'payment' plan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would give them time to find it, but if they don't make the offer, I'd ask. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) I sure as hell wouldn't want friend to think 'Oh, shit, if I chop this I gotta buy it. I wonder if I can land this line over' and go in. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why would they think any differently than if they were using their own gear that they have to pay for? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing is assumed, set the guidelines before you loan your gear. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's the best idea. Say, "Here you go, if you chop it and lose it, you buy it. Ok?" AGREED... I would take my friends car keys until I got my new main.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad47 0 #57 January 24, 2004 QuoteAGREED... I would take my friends car keys until I got my new main.. Good way to loose a friend. Heather: I hope you'll find it. I know the guy who was looking for his tiny main for a week or so and finally found it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carbonezone 0 #58 January 24, 2004 I watched it from the ground along with some other people on the DZ. We were all cheering "cool its gonna land right here. Only to find out the winds were really weird on the sunset load (based on some other shit that happened too). We all stood there watching the main drift "appeared to be heading right in the field in front of us". At appox 1000' it took off going the opposite way.....F@ck. Dave quickly took off in the truck to go look but lost it. I mean it took OFF. Sorry Heather hopefully it will come back! As you know, we have the best canopy scout here in z-hills!! Lesson learned here "never under-estimate the zephyr winds"!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #59 January 24, 2004 Is there any way to weight one side of the risers a bit more so the main goes straight down instead of floating away if you chop it? Put some kind of smoke bomb on it where when you chop it spews orange smoke for 10 minutes so you can find it or at least see what direction it was heading???? Small mouse with a radio that has pilot channel? Anything? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsaxton 0 #60 January 24, 2004 Uh, wouldn't it be her responsibility to find/replace it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #61 January 24, 2004 QuoteUh, wouldn't it be her responsibility to find/replace it? It was a good friend of her's that used it - I'm sure that won't be an issue. As far as location devices - smoke bomb could burn your stuff. Somone was trying to create a canopy lojak once - it activated when the risers left the rig via a lanyard._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #62 January 24, 2004 Quotehow 'bout your homeowners insurance policy?... your friends' policy? I have a friend that claimed a lost cutaway main on his home owner's insurance and it was certainly not worth it. He was only given the value of the lost main, not the replacement cost. The main was several years old, so all he got was around $350 after the deductible. His rates were promptly raised because of the claim. He is also unable to change insurance companies now because they all ask if he has had any claims in the last three years. When he says yes, they decline coverage. It was certainly not worth the $350 he got to put towards the new main. -OKTime flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #63 January 24, 2004 I suppose I should have worded the "I don't have the money" part better... What I meant was, if I had *tons* of money I wouldn't even blink an eye, I'd just order a new one. That would save some heartache on both sides. Unfortunately, I don't have $1500 laying around for a new canopy. (wasn't planning for that in my budget) We'll figure it out. Nobody is placing blame or being rude. We're friends. I'll be back at the DZ in a little bit. Maybe we will find it today. (smidgen of hope, but fading fast) We figured out last night that 8 or 10 hours of sunlight is like putting 100 jumps on the canopy. (sun exposure time), but we were all pretty drunk, so that might be wrong! I have a canopy to jump today, either a Sabre2 135 or a Pilot 135. Oh, Bubbles - the person who chopped is your friend Heidi. She is okay. She just feels bad, poor thing. Phree - The canopy has 4 chops on it now...hmmm... We drunk dialed Brian Germain last night. (along with a bunch of other ppl - sorry Kris!) We'll see if Brian calls back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeatherB 0 #64 January 24, 2004 Quote2 words "renters insurance" I do have homeowner's insurance but like Oren said, it can cause more harm than good. They can raise your rates, deny you coverage when you go to renew, etc. Plus, I just switched to a new company yesterday, I'm thinking they'd get suspicious if I made a claim within the first week of my coverage, lol. It just seems like a bad idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
selbbub78 0 #65 January 24, 2004 Quote Oh, Bubbles - the person who chopped is your friend Heidi. She is okay. She just feels bad, poor thing. No, actually I did know that already. I had another friend (mike i'm still incredibly sorry)who had to chop earlier in the week over the swamps at z-hills (we were visiting for 1 1/2 weeks) when we were doing CRW, and his canopy got wrapped around someone's foot at 9K. From what I understand heather is that they have a good idea of where it went down. I guess the "trackers" saw it go down, so the chances of finding it are extremly high. They told us earlier that they haven't lost a canopy in over 30 years, so hopefully you will be getting it back soon. Still giving you canopy finding ~~VIBES~~, hope you get it back,"Women fake orgasms - men fake whole relationships" – Sharon Stone "The world is my dropzone" (wise crewdog quote) "The light dims, until full darkness pierces into the world."-KDM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #66 January 24, 2004 I am sorry but I am a firm believer in this philosphy: If you cannot afford to give something away, or loose it, then do not lend it. When you lend something you run the risk of it being lost or damaged while in that person's possession. I NEVER loan anything I cannot afford to loose. If the friend offers to replace it then I accept the offer, but if they do not, I accept the risk I took. On the other hand if the shoe is on the other foot adn I borrow something and it becomes lost or damged I work hard to replace it. In either case I assume all responsibility and that allows replaceable money or possesions to never get in the way of friendship which is irreplaceable. Of course for this reason I borrow and loan very few things, but when I do I follow this principle completely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerm 0 #67 January 24, 2004 turns out it was, from left to right (as in the way we read)... "Blue Skies, Black death" and i didn't have to land it backward :) Landing without injury is not necessarily evidence that you didn't fuck up... it just means you got away with it this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #68 January 24, 2004 QuoteOh, Bubbles - the person who chopped is your friend Heidi. She is okay. She just feels bad, poor thing. That red-haired girl that packs? -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybrat68 0 #69 January 24, 2004 No. You're thinkin of Flora. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #70 January 24, 2004 QuoteIs there any way to weight one side of the risers a bit more so the main goes straight down instead of floating away if you chop it? I was thinking of a skinny sandbag weight for 1 riser idea, just to keep it in a spiral rather than float way. (though was there as my main floated into the 60' trees at CrossKeys) I'll think of something workable & TSO friendly. the "simpler" the less chance to failing._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cvfd1399 0 #71 January 24, 2004 That is what I had in mind. The only thing I see is unequal loading of one riser more than the other. How much weight can you add to one side before you see a slight turn? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bobsled92 0 #72 January 24, 2004 QuoteThat is what I had in mind. The only thing I see is unequal loading of one riser more than the other. How much weight can you add to one side before you see a slight turn? Well, I have a new Comp Cobalt....I could just let the three rings go on the one side as I pull up and down....... I have no idea. Iwould depend on the canopy too. My Raven III and Triathalon 220 are going to fel little effect to a minor weight. Comp. would spiral like a dust devil._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kramer 0 #73 January 24, 2004 QuoteNo. You're thinkin of Flora. Ah, I was thinkin her name was Heidi. My bad. -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redramdriver 0 #74 January 24, 2004 U borrow it....U use it....U abuse it....U loose it...U buy me a new one!!!! pretty cut and driedSo, you bring your beer? Its 5 o'clock somewhere POPS #9344 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sdgregory 0 #75 January 24, 2004 Only problem with this is that we are talking about something we all know can happen. We all know that at any jump, no matter who jumps it, there could be a need for a cut away that results in both the main and the reserve D-bag/pilotchute being lost. Better make sure you only loan it to people who can actually afford to pay for it. I still say do not loan what you cannot afford to loose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
cvfd1399 0 #71 January 24, 2004 That is what I had in mind. The only thing I see is unequal loading of one riser more than the other. How much weight can you add to one side before you see a slight turn? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #72 January 24, 2004 QuoteThat is what I had in mind. The only thing I see is unequal loading of one riser more than the other. How much weight can you add to one side before you see a slight turn? Well, I have a new Comp Cobalt....I could just let the three rings go on the one side as I pull up and down....... I have no idea. Iwould depend on the canopy too. My Raven III and Triathalon 220 are going to fel little effect to a minor weight. Comp. would spiral like a dust devil._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #73 January 24, 2004 QuoteNo. You're thinkin of Flora. Ah, I was thinkin her name was Heidi. My bad. -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redramdriver 0 #74 January 24, 2004 U borrow it....U use it....U abuse it....U loose it...U buy me a new one!!!! pretty cut and driedSo, you bring your beer? Its 5 o'clock somewhere POPS #9344 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #75 January 24, 2004 Only problem with this is that we are talking about something we all know can happen. We all know that at any jump, no matter who jumps it, there could be a need for a cut away that results in both the main and the reserve D-bag/pilotchute being lost. Better make sure you only loan it to people who can actually afford to pay for it. I still say do not loan what you cannot afford to loose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
