bobsled92 0 #26 January 25, 2004 Quote Quote He is Skull & Bones=Masonic Elite Hasn't ohhh...like EVERY president been a Mason? Or am I mistaken? They call the shots. My Dad=Counter-terrorist Spc. Buried as Brig. Gen told me things that made me relize everything is grey, nothing set in stone can't be change with a chizel. I was suprised that it was in the press and that's it. I left the temple when I was to go in because they always pray and you are NOT allowed to pray "in the name Of Christ". Mason temple is called a Mosque..think about it. It spooked me._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #27 January 25, 2004 Quote I like him and I think he has done a pretty good job with the EXTRA crappy hand he had to work with. Amen, we have 8 years of crap to make up for!Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #28 January 25, 2004 Hi, quade. Actually, here is a chart of suicide rates per 100,000. It was the easiest to read and compare with overall, and that's why I chose to link that particular one. 17.6(male) + 4.1(female) per 100,000/US. 21 suicides for the 140,000 (+/-) troops in Iraq. Actually, pretty much right what I would've expected. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #29 January 25, 2004 Quote What is that, and why is it important enough to not vote for him? Well....there are some Church groups out there that equate being a member of a Masonic Temple with Satanism basically. I have seen printed propaganda from churchs on the subject. I found it fairly hilarious. Quote Even the $10,000 signing bonus isn't helping all that much. The Air Force offered me $26,000 to stay. It wasn't enough. I came fairly close to joining the Army Guard after I got out but I decided that if I was going to do it....it would be full time or nothing. So....I said So Long to the military forever instead. Keep in mind that those articles seemed to be discussing Guard/Reserve units and Not active duty. Long deployments are one of the BIG reasons I didn't take the Guard job. The unit I was going to was about to do a 270 day deployment to Kuwait. I thought it would be pretty hard to have a civi career with that kind of thing going on. No matter how cool flying Apaches sounded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 January 25, 2004 Quote Mason temple is called a Mosque..think about it. Uh, I don't think so. I think they're called Masonic temples, as in the temple of Solomon, as in the masons that constructed it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #31 January 25, 2004 Sorry. I must be dense. But what shots do they call, and is it the Skull and Bones or the Masons who call whatever shots? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #32 January 25, 2004 Quote told me things that made me relize everything is grey, nothing set in stone can't be change with a chizel. Yep.....Dascht Eist Lieben. Working for the govt has let me see lots of things the "average" person may never be privy to. I had my entire world turned on end a few years ago. That experience changed me. I can honestly say that I wish I had remained ignorant of how the world really works. It was a nicer place for me prior to 1998. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #33 January 25, 2004 Quote Quote Mason temple is called a Mosque..think about it. Uh, I don't think so. I think they're called Masonic temples, as in the temple of Solomon, as in the masons that constructed it. The SHriners' (older Masons such as my Great Grnd Dad) have the Zembo Mosque right here in Harrisburg, PA and the nifty litle Cresect &Star is of the same origin and meaning. The Black group go by names as Pharos rather than Templars. We have Masonic Village Just outside of Hershey and Harrisburg. Lots of Mason, etc. Like I said before it is personal to me and may not be an issue to others. It's NOT about politics for me._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeryde13 0 #34 January 25, 2004 i don't know about the dead solders obviously. but would the guys in the va hospitols vote for him. i'm not in the service so i honestly don't know how they feel. but to me a solder who is injured in war for his country should get a huge fukin disability check and live like a king. do they ? someone who knows about this let me know. any one in the service...do you think this country does enough for the dead solders families and solders maimed or injured in battle? and all that name calling is just so ...so ugly..is there a need for that here?_________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #35 January 25, 2004 Quote someone who knows about this let me know. Well...as far as taking care of those that are wounded. I would say yes. If the individual does what he needs to and jumps through all the hoops that are set up with the VA they are often WELL taken care of. The Dead.....you can't replace them. No amount would ever be "enough." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #36 January 25, 2004 Michele -- There is a college fraternity at Yale called Skull and Bones. Bush (41) was a member and Bush (43) was also admitted as a legacy pledge (someone guaranteed admittance due to his familial relations to a previous member). It started out as just another frat house, but over the years Skull and Bones gained a certain reputation since many of their members did research for and later gained employment at the CIA. Bush (41) did exactly that. He was both a member of Skull and Bones AND the Director of the CIA. Bush (43), on the other hand and according to almost all accounts, didn't go in for the "spooky" part of the frat life too much and was pretty much there just to have a good time and party, which again, by all accounts, he was -really- good at. To my knowledge, Skull and Bones has nothing to do with the Masons. The Masons go back to the time of King George but some claim they can trace themselves back to the original masons of the Temple of Solomon. The Masons are a fraternal and philanthropic organization, but not associated with academic life -- think Shriners and Rotarians. Almost all of the founding fathers of the United States were members of the Masons and you'll see some pretty obvious tributes to them if you look around Washington D.C. and even on the back of a one dollar bill. There are conspiracy theorists that believe the entire world is being lead by "The Illuminati" and they have a tendency to group the Masons, Skull and Bones as well as other organizations into that group. If you want to go nuts, do some Googling on the subject. It's facinating reading, but highly unlikely.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #37 January 25, 2004 yeah, quade has it about right. the masons are one of the oldest fraternity groups. They keep their rituals a secret, so the conspiracy nuts think this is a sinister & powerful organization. Rather than abunch of old farts with bad comb-overs who just prance around & play-act some lame rituals with their trouser-cuffs rolled up. Over the years I have developed a healthy disrespect for conspiracy theorists. Generally, the more powerless the person, the more pervasive and powerful are the conspiracies in his cosmology. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #38 January 25, 2004 Quote It's facinating reading, but highly unlikely. Excellent fiction novel qualities. What was the name of that semi recent movie that was made, presumably, about Skull and Bones? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkm2500 0 #39 January 25, 2004 How dare you question the patriotism of my brothers in arms. I have been in Iraq since Apr of 2003. I have been shot at, mortared, RPG'd, mined, and IED'd. I have seen people die for their country, I have seen people permanently damaged for their country. If you feel that you can forsake their sacrafice for their country by questioning our commander in chief you are a sad individual indeed. You only have rights to speak out against the president because of the sacrafice that these soldiers have made. I find it distasteful that you would even suggest that these soldiers would not support their commander in chief. You obviously have no idea what patriotism is, and you have never served your county. btw, I voted for GWB, I will vote for him again. SGT Joshua K. Marshall US Army Samarra, IraqThe primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #40 January 25, 2004 Quote If you feel that you can forsake their sacrafice for their country by questioning our commander in chief you are a sad individual indeed. Let's remember that questioning the Commander in Chief is a perogative of any citizen of a democracy. Isn't that what we are supposed to be fighting for? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #41 January 25, 2004 Quote What was the name of that semi recent movie that was made, presumably, about Skull and Bones? Well, there -was- a movie named . . . THE SKULLS. Some parts based on some of the knowns about the frat, most of it total fiction because, well, that's actually more interesting. Well, maybe not, it was a pretty crappy movie as I recall.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #42 January 25, 2004 Quote Quote What was the name of that semi recent movie that was made, presumably, about Skull and Bones? Well, ther -was- a movie named . . . THE SKULLS. Some parts based on some of the knowns about the frat, most of it total fiction because, well, that's actually more interesting. I never saw it. THe back of a dollar bill is a pyramid not Solomon's Temple or any other place of worship. Heck I'm just glad that some one knows what I'm referring to. I usually have to get near D.C. region to discuss this. Fact is, I like you but, I'm only human and I have my personal beliefs (faith), that's about it._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #43 January 25, 2004 Quote I will say this about those brave men and women who died for our country in Iraq. Regardless of their political interests, ALL of them would gladly give their lives again for their country. How can you be sure they would? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #44 January 25, 2004 One of my friends Marine Lance Corporal David Fribley was killed in Iraq several months ago. I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that Corporal Fribley would without a doubt vote to re-elect George Bush if you could send him a ballot in the afterlife. He would not hold the President responsible for being dead. He would hold Iraq and it's Militia responsible. Corporal Fribley had so much pride for America, and the chance to serve his country. Honestly, if you had told him before he left for Iraq, that he would not return alive, I doubt he'da batted an eye. He joined the Marines to serve his country, and that's exactly what he did. Would he hold Bush responsible for the bullet that hit him in the face? Phat chance... -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #45 January 25, 2004 This is pretty tasteless. Dead people don't vote. While not a fan of the Iraqi-centric foreign policy approach the Bush administration chose to pursue, it does have its merit in some respects. Since we are there now, the US must take care of the situation. I think we're doing a decent job of doing so. If you want to attack the President by all means do so to your heart's desire. I believe most of us here would prefer that you do it with a bit of class - unlike this attempt.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #46 January 25, 2004 Quote He would not hold the President responsible for being dead. But if the president hadn't sent him over there he wouldn't be dead. The logic is pretty inescapable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkm2500 0 #47 January 25, 2004 Quote Let's remember that questioning the Commander in Chief is a perogative of any citizen of a democracy. Quote You are most certainly correct, and in my haste to type the response I meant to say this:If you feel that you can forsake their sacrafice for their country by questioning their commitment to the commander in chief you are a sad individual indeed. Sorry for the incorrect wording.The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #48 January 25, 2004 Quote THe back of a dollar bill is a pyramid not Solomon's Temple or any other place of worship. I suppose it depends on if you want to accept that some of the symbols are there or want to totally deny it. I believe most modern Masons do a bit of both, some being somewhat gullible and believing the entire thing means they'll someday rule the world and others trying a bit too hard to distance themselves from that large of a conspiracy theory. The fact is, you can look on the back of the one dollar bill and see some symbols. http://www.prs.org/gallery-mason.htm Again, Google for the wacky shit.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #49 January 25, 2004 Quote Quote He would not hold the President responsible for being dead. But if the president hadn't sent him over there he wouldn't be dead. The logic is pretty inescapable. Woulda, coulda, shoulda........... If Clinton had finished Saddam off during Desert Fox instead of pussying out. We wouldn't be there now. If Clinton had taken OBL when he was offered him by Sudan, Sept 11th never would have happened. How many shoulda, woulda, coulda's do you want to excuse? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #50 January 25, 2004 Quote If Clinton had finished Saddam off during Desert Fox instead of pussying out. We wouldn't be there now. Dude . . . unfair! You could just as easily say, Bush (41) and Desert Storm.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
