Remster 30 #1 May 19, 2002 Now, every freaking DZ in the US and Europe is gonna have a windtunnel.... whooohooooo... and everyone is gonna spend their hard earned cash in them ... whooohooo...Call me a old fart, but I though the point of skydiving was... well...mmm... skydiving... Sure, tunnels are great to get rid of problems, and for teams who want to get the last drop of performance out of themselves, but for fun jumpers like me (and most of you lot), whats the point.... I'd rather be jumping.There, flame away....RemsterMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #2 May 19, 2002 QuoteThere, flame away....Count on it. JumpinDuo.com...come and sign the guestbook. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbunky 3 #4 May 19, 2002 it would be great to have one up here in the great white north just to keep from getting rusty over the winter (or to practice for pff if, like me, you have no licence yet!). two problems though, these things seem monstrously expensive and would need a pretty good turnover to be profitable and i'd need some way to heat the air in winter.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~bunkyget crazy, before it gets you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #5 May 19, 2002 What about those of us who are injured and cant risk a malfunction or canopy ride.....we gotta keep our skills polished too! TRUST ME I would so rather be in the sky!!!!!I'm not stubborn, I'm high-spirited! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KATO33 0 #6 May 20, 2002 I'm just your run of the mill fun jumper myself but I do strive to get better at all things I do. The tunnel helps with that why NOT.Blue Skies Black Death Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scratch 0 #7 May 20, 2002 You are an old fart and a snobbish one to boot but you are also right. Tunnels have their place but I would rather jump. The fact that there are no tunnels in SA also makes my opinion rather irrelevantI wish the real worldwould just stop hassling me~~~matchbox20 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emma 0 #8 May 20, 2002 Remster, you are indeed right...But I don't think anyone, including SkyVenture, is under the impression that wind tunnels will 'do away with' skydiving....No-one uses a tunnel at present for anything other than honing skills (apart from wuffos who just think it's just an improved variation of a bouncy castle...)Or... do they? Nothing's going to beat real skydiving...But skydiving better through eradicating problems has to be a good thing? And with the British weather, I have to say the idea of being able to train come rain or cloud (or nightfall) seems pretty appealing...Just my 2 cents...(as we say when we have ranted for far too long and feel mildly guilty for being a bit self-opinionated when actually, we are a nice person in the flesh...) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #9 May 20, 2002 Quotewe are a nice person in the flesh...Bile rising, instant nausea, lunch no longer a viable option.... "Look before you jump, don't die until you're dead" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alienangel 0 #10 May 20, 2002 It's a lotta flesh too baby... Can't believe you didn't even get that dig in...Loser. I'll abuse MYSELF in future! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #11 May 20, 2002 QuoteCan't believe you didn't even get that dig in...Loser. I'll abuse MYSELF in future!Popping out to buy some watermelons are you?"Look before you jump, don't die until you're dead" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scratch 0 #12 May 20, 2002 Daars g'n naai soos waatlemoen naaiI wish the real worldwould just stop hassling me~~~matchbox20 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #13 May 20, 2002 [drunken british accent] "Fack offffff!"[/drunken british accent]My webpage HERE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #14 May 20, 2002 Remi,while wind tunnels are outstanding tools for un-fucking problem students and working on new skills, I don't think the average Joe is going to be spending all his cash in their just for sport. In reality, the only real "tunnel hogs" at civilian operations are the ones who don't pay a dime to use it: staff and paid coaches. Military tunnels have far more hogs; at least the one here on Bragg does. I have about 200 hours in ours since it was constructed and there are PLENTY of people with way more than that. I am well past the "needing it" stage and now only go in their on rare occasions. Someone else brought up a good point: tunnels up North would really help out in the winters. I agree completely. Now that the SkyVenture company is branching out so widely, I can't believe some rich Canadian hasn't thrown down the money to get one up there. Lord knows it would get a lot of business. Having a tunnel at Perris is perfect. Like I said, they are just the thing for fixing a student's freefall problems without wasting a ton of money on terribly-expensive level III make-up dives. You would not believe how much good 10 minutes in a tunnel can do. Soup sandwich to "getting it" in no time flat. Besides that, I believe that they will have an initial rush of curious up-jumpers, then settle into a schedule of student training and RW tunnel camps. The Vegas tunnel sucks and was really too far of a drive for west coast people in my opinion anyway. I am sure the new tunnels will be swamped.ChuckMy webpage HERE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobbes4star 0 #15 May 20, 2002 i with you i would rather be in a plane than a tunnel...why jump when you can fly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #16 May 20, 2002 Quotei with you i would rather be in a plane than a tunnel...I would rather be in freefall than in a plane! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyhi 24 #17 May 20, 2002 I fly for the whole experience; the dive, the approach, the track, the opening, and the landing. Would never give that up. Have never done tunnel time, but would be willing to do it to learn that very small aspect of skydiving. Too much tunnel time would seem like work, though. Remi: My Scooby Doo calendar says it is Victoria Day in Canada. Happy Victoria Day!flyhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #18 May 20, 2002 After doing my first ball jump yesterday I have no desire to be in a tunnel unless it's raining....."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #19 May 20, 2002 Not to mention that there are some things you just can't do in the tunnel -- exits for instance.I think they're great for working on a number of things, but if the team isn't turning points by exit+3, then it doesn't really matter how fast they can go the rest of the time.Also, as a camera flyer . . . well, you know.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gale 0 #20 May 20, 2002 As a Canadian I say "and a happy Victoria day to you too."I happen to live in Victoria, BC and we are having a parade to celebrate this day of royalty. (I'm not much of a loyalist but those people who are like it.) I get a day off, that's all I really care about. Oh, and on the subject of wind tunnels, I would like to try my hand in one. At least of there's one in California it's resonably within driving time to get to. No, every dz doesn't need one, but having them scattered around seems kind of cool to me.GaleIsn't life the strangest thing you've ever seen? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #21 May 21, 2002 QuoteRemi: My Scooby Doo calendar says it is Victoria Day in Canada. Happy Victoria Day!Never mind Victoria day.. I needed someone to tell me when it was Mothers's day in North America... mom wasnt impressed RemsterMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #22 January 25, 2004 Quote....No-one uses a tunnel at present for anything other than honing skills (apart from wuffos who just think it's just an improved variation of a bouncy castle...) Or... do they? Yes, you'll be glad to know that we do! In fact only a few months after your post we held the second World Wind Tunnel Competition. Today, almost 2 years after your post we have had several competitions and much development, in fact, my entire life revolves around tunnels, much like most of yours revolve around skydiving! Many of us would rather fly in the tunnel than make a jump, some of us like to do both. BUT, the tunnel is a sport in itself, we don't want it confused with skydiving any more than you do. We've been flying in tunnels almost as long as we've been parachuting for fun... so they both deserve their credit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Paige 0 #23 January 25, 2004 I'm experienced by no means but I have had a great time when I have gone to the tunnel (just two 15min. visits). I've only been twice but it was something new and different. I just enjoy doing new things, I guess that is what attracted me to the sport in the first place. I just look at it as a good training tool and something to check off on the list of things I've wanted to do. Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sdgregory 0 #24 January 25, 2004 I tend to agree hear. The wind tunnel is just a tool and not a replacement for being in the sky. Kinda like swimming in the bathtub really. I am making a trip to a windtunnel this year mostly for my kids. They want to do it and I think it will be great to get them started. Besides one of our fellow DZ.commers has generously offered to help teach the kids to fly. Added to that I want to learn how to sit fly better and a friend of mine went over the winter break and came back able to hold his sit for the whole dive. So this once I am going to do it. But I know when it is all said and done I will always much rather be in the sky!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pilotdave 0 #25 January 25, 2004 QuoteSure, tunnels are great to get rid of problems, and for teams who want to get the last drop of performance out of themselves, but for fun jumpers like me (and most of you lot), whats the point.... I'd rather be jumping. Jumping is a whole lot more fun than tunnel time, but I totally disagree with you. What's the point for a fun jumper? The point is to learn new skills in a controlled environment. I did 20 minutes in the orlando tunnel last week with a group of 8 other skydivers (3 hours of tunnel time total) and 2 coaches. We had between 19 and 300 jumps. The low timer is still a student, the highest timer is on a 4-way team. And yet EVERY one of us learned something. Surprisingly, we all learned the same thing, just to different degrees... the mantis position. So in 3 hours of sitting by the tunnel and another couple hours of instruction outside the tunnel, we were each able to get an equivalent freefall time of around 20 jumps. But there's no way we could have learned the same amount in 20 jumps. I doubt I could have learned as much in 40 jumps. So, I don't think any skydivers are going tunneling instead of skydiving for fun. But the tunnel is a great tool for skydivers at any skill level. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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flyhi 24 #17 May 20, 2002 I fly for the whole experience; the dive, the approach, the track, the opening, and the landing. Would never give that up. Have never done tunnel time, but would be willing to do it to learn that very small aspect of skydiving. Too much tunnel time would seem like work, though. Remi: My Scooby Doo calendar says it is Victoria Day in Canada. Happy Victoria Day!flyhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #18 May 20, 2002 After doing my first ball jump yesterday I have no desire to be in a tunnel unless it's raining....."Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 May 20, 2002 Not to mention that there are some things you just can't do in the tunnel -- exits for instance.I think they're great for working on a number of things, but if the team isn't turning points by exit+3, then it doesn't really matter how fast they can go the rest of the time.Also, as a camera flyer . . . well, you know.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gale 0 #20 May 20, 2002 As a Canadian I say "and a happy Victoria day to you too."I happen to live in Victoria, BC and we are having a parade to celebrate this day of royalty. (I'm not much of a loyalist but those people who are like it.) I get a day off, that's all I really care about. Oh, and on the subject of wind tunnels, I would like to try my hand in one. At least of there's one in California it's resonably within driving time to get to. No, every dz doesn't need one, but having them scattered around seems kind of cool to me.GaleIsn't life the strangest thing you've ever seen? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #21 May 21, 2002 QuoteRemi: My Scooby Doo calendar says it is Victoria Day in Canada. Happy Victoria Day!Never mind Victoria day.. I needed someone to tell me when it was Mothers's day in North America... mom wasnt impressed RemsterMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #22 January 25, 2004 Quote....No-one uses a tunnel at present for anything other than honing skills (apart from wuffos who just think it's just an improved variation of a bouncy castle...) Or... do they? Yes, you'll be glad to know that we do! In fact only a few months after your post we held the second World Wind Tunnel Competition. Today, almost 2 years after your post we have had several competitions and much development, in fact, my entire life revolves around tunnels, much like most of yours revolve around skydiving! Many of us would rather fly in the tunnel than make a jump, some of us like to do both. BUT, the tunnel is a sport in itself, we don't want it confused with skydiving any more than you do. We've been flying in tunnels almost as long as we've been parachuting for fun... so they both deserve their credit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Paige 0 #23 January 25, 2004 I'm experienced by no means but I have had a great time when I have gone to the tunnel (just two 15min. visits). I've only been twice but it was something new and different. I just enjoy doing new things, I guess that is what attracted me to the sport in the first place. I just look at it as a good training tool and something to check off on the list of things I've wanted to do. Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sdgregory 0 #24 January 25, 2004 I tend to agree hear. The wind tunnel is just a tool and not a replacement for being in the sky. Kinda like swimming in the bathtub really. I am making a trip to a windtunnel this year mostly for my kids. They want to do it and I think it will be great to get them started. Besides one of our fellow DZ.commers has generously offered to help teach the kids to fly. Added to that I want to learn how to sit fly better and a friend of mine went over the winter break and came back able to hold his sit for the whole dive. So this once I am going to do it. But I know when it is all said and done I will always much rather be in the sky!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pilotdave 0 #25 January 25, 2004 QuoteSure, tunnels are great to get rid of problems, and for teams who want to get the last drop of performance out of themselves, but for fun jumpers like me (and most of you lot), whats the point.... I'd rather be jumping. Jumping is a whole lot more fun than tunnel time, but I totally disagree with you. What's the point for a fun jumper? The point is to learn new skills in a controlled environment. I did 20 minutes in the orlando tunnel last week with a group of 8 other skydivers (3 hours of tunnel time total) and 2 coaches. We had between 19 and 300 jumps. The low timer is still a student, the highest timer is on a 4-way team. And yet EVERY one of us learned something. Surprisingly, we all learned the same thing, just to different degrees... the mantis position. So in 3 hours of sitting by the tunnel and another couple hours of instruction outside the tunnel, we were each able to get an equivalent freefall time of around 20 jumps. But there's no way we could have learned the same amount in 20 jumps. I doubt I could have learned as much in 40 jumps. So, I don't think any skydivers are going tunneling instead of skydiving for fun. But the tunnel is a great tool for skydivers at any skill level. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Paige 0 #23 January 25, 2004 I'm experienced by no means but I have had a great time when I have gone to the tunnel (just two 15min. visits). I've only been twice but it was something new and different. I just enjoy doing new things, I guess that is what attracted me to the sport in the first place. I just look at it as a good training tool and something to check off on the list of things I've wanted to do. Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #24 January 25, 2004 I tend to agree hear. The wind tunnel is just a tool and not a replacement for being in the sky. Kinda like swimming in the bathtub really. I am making a trip to a windtunnel this year mostly for my kids. They want to do it and I think it will be great to get them started. Besides one of our fellow DZ.commers has generously offered to help teach the kids to fly. Added to that I want to learn how to sit fly better and a friend of mine went over the winter break and came back able to hold his sit for the whole dive. So this once I am going to do it. But I know when it is all said and done I will always much rather be in the sky!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #25 January 25, 2004 QuoteSure, tunnels are great to get rid of problems, and for teams who want to get the last drop of performance out of themselves, but for fun jumpers like me (and most of you lot), whats the point.... I'd rather be jumping. Jumping is a whole lot more fun than tunnel time, but I totally disagree with you. What's the point for a fun jumper? The point is to learn new skills in a controlled environment. I did 20 minutes in the orlando tunnel last week with a group of 8 other skydivers (3 hours of tunnel time total) and 2 coaches. We had between 19 and 300 jumps. The low timer is still a student, the highest timer is on a 4-way team. And yet EVERY one of us learned something. Surprisingly, we all learned the same thing, just to different degrees... the mantis position. So in 3 hours of sitting by the tunnel and another couple hours of instruction outside the tunnel, we were each able to get an equivalent freefall time of around 20 jumps. But there's no way we could have learned the same amount in 20 jumps. I doubt I could have learned as much in 40 jumps. So, I don't think any skydivers are going tunneling instead of skydiving for fun. But the tunnel is a great tool for skydivers at any skill level. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
