vt1977 0 #101 January 22, 2004 Not sure on that either Colin. Personally, I believe it is worth investing money in the National teams, particularly if they (as ours do) are prepared to put something back into the sport with roadshows etc. But either way if the BPA is not receiving Sport’s Council funding this year, is there any need for the BPA element to increase as it was my understanding that this was a pre-requisite for Sports Council funding? I hope that makes sense… Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #102 January 22, 2004 not really.. here, have a beer Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #103 January 22, 2004 Quotenot really.. here, have a beer I think I need one – getting confused! Maybe that’ll be my excuse to drink myself stoooopid this weekend! Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spike 0 #104 January 22, 2004 Tell me about it. Makes it doubly hard to raise private company sponsorship, when your ditched by your own governing body. Ok, Ok, I know thats harsh and any members of the competitions committee reading (who wanted to contribute) will tell you that if they'd known there was going to be a World Meet this year then they would have applied for funding. But, it still feels like someone dropped a ball. After all, even though the FAI changed it from bi to annual, other countries organising bodies are managing to find the cash. Oops [/whinge] HEY its only 1 more day to AGM and wild party, so I'm determined to be in a good mood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TattooedMoFo 0 #105 January 22, 2004 QuoteThe sponsored teams get very little money from member donations. The vast majority of the funding the BPA gives to the sponsored teams comes in turn from the British Sports Council. The BPA didn't apply to the Sports Council for funding for 2004, so whoever does compete in Croatia this year will have to be entirely self funded. Thats one of the reasons why XL and VMAX aren't competing this year. So the money that they ask for for the teams doesn't go to them then, thieving, lying bast*rds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spike 0 #106 January 22, 2004 Yeah, to put it in context. I'm likely to spend more money on beer this weekend than on membership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spike 0 #107 January 22, 2004 Quotedoesn't go to them then I'm not sure that everyone is as generous with thier contributions as you or I... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gremlin 0 #108 January 22, 2004 Have been in the APA AGM all day. Had a very interesting discussion about the BPA insurance increase. There are still no final figures as they are waiting for a second quote to come in but we are looking at membership prices of £100. Some figures, which I was not aware of (and straight from the horses mouth!) approx 25% of claims come from demo teams approx 65% of the claims involve injured students. In about 90% of cases the matter does not go to court. It is the BPAs intention to set up an insurance committee to look at insurance and whether premiums should be loaded either for instructors (as it is them getting taken to court by the students) by the students (who are making most of the claims) or by the demo teams (as they have an increased) risk Question has got to be - why was this committee not set up over a year ago. And remember ... next time you get bumped for that student or tandem - you are subsidising their insurance! I'm drunk, you're drunk, lets go back to mine.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #109 January 22, 2004 this is so fucking anoying! Why dont people take the attitude "well shit happens - i do this and know I can be hurt so if I am then its something I deal with" - instead of this bollox insurance claim shit!!! fuck me guys! you jump from aircraft and land parachutes and sometimes it dont go to plan!!! stop with this insurance shit!!! deal with it!!! (mainly posted at the students who "do something xtreme" but then cry when it goes slightly wrong! - tossas! what do you expect!!!! - it aint safe so dont expect it to be safe!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #110 January 22, 2004 My thoughts exactly mate. No-one takes responsability for themselves now ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TattooedMoFo 0 #111 January 23, 2004 Quotethis is so fucking anoying! Why dont people take the attitude "well shit happens - i do this and know I can be hurt so if I am then its something I deal with" - instead of this bollox insurance claim shit!!! fuck me guys! you jump from aircraft and land parachutes and sometimes it dont go to plan!!! stop with this insurance shit!!! deal with it!!! (mainly posted at the students who "do something xtreme" but then cry when it goes slightly wrong! - tossas! what do you expect!!!! - it aint safe so dont expect it to be safe!!! Havn't jumped at Perris and signed their waiver forms all 12 odd pages of them and having then read out a waiver to a camcorder, why don't they have a similar setup here and then the claims would come down to a minimum......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #112 January 23, 2004 Cos it's illegal in the UK. You can't sign away your rights like that.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #113 January 23, 2004 Because waiver like that are illegal in this country. They are also pretty un-necessary in most cases. We have a principal called “volenti non fit injuria”. Ie I voluntarily accepted the risk of injury. Non of the claims should succeed unless the instructor/centre has done something negligent to expose the student to danger. Now we know this doesn’t happen very often but we also know it does sometimes. In those instances where there has been negligence then I think its ok to sue – someone has done something wrong. But I guarantee that most of these instances are idiots who break their ankle cos they don’t PLF properly like they were shown and then bring a claim. Simply telling these idiot claimants to piss off costs money, even if they have no hope of succeeding. This is shit annoying, but this fact is a comment on society not on skydiving, skydivers or lawyers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zeemax 0 #114 January 23, 2004 serioulsy though, i just want a decent membership card, not made out of paper. My friend can flash his PADI cards, i want a BPA card Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #115 January 23, 2004 Could always get the BPA credit card ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vt1977 0 #116 January 23, 2004 QuoteNon of the claims should succeed unless the instructor/centre has done something negligent to expose the student to danger. Now we know this doesn’t happen very often but we also know it does sometimes. I know of at least one DZ that makes students sit a written test to demonstrate that they have fully understood all the important points covered on their RAPS/AFF course before they even think about letting them jump. Any incorrect answers are then discussed between instructor and student, and both then sign to show that the student now understands the correct answer and any corrective training is also noted. Do all/most DZs do this? If not, should they? And if an allegation of negligence were to be made, would such a document not prove that actually the student did know the important stuff but just f*cked up/chose to ignore it?! To my mind this should almost completely get rid of negligence claims by students. And any that were made could surely (Matt?) be very easily defended. Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #117 January 23, 2004 We did that at Cornwall before it shut.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zeemax 0 #118 January 23, 2004 i thought that was part of the course? surely all DZ's give a written exam? I'm not getting a BPA credit card i just signed up for another one today to transfer a balance, i dont need another one.. well... until the 0% runs out, then its move time again.Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #119 January 23, 2004 I believe this is general practice and part of the RAPS course nationwide Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nacmacfeegle 0 #120 January 23, 2004 Certainly the case in Scotland.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vt1977 0 #121 January 23, 2004 QuoteI believe this is general practice and part of the RAPS course nationwide I thought it probably was - in which case, why are we having a problem with negligence claims????? I don't understand! Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #122 January 23, 2004 Quoteserioulsy though, i just want a decent membership card, not made out of paper. My friend can flash his PADI cardsreply] why is that? coz he is a tossa? Quotei want a BPA card hey why not just wear one of those skydiving T-shirts that says "hey Im a skydiver - I must be cool!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dustin19d 0 #123 January 23, 2004 Ok Note to self " England sucks" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #124 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteI believe this is general practice and part of the RAPS course nationwide I thought it probably was - in which case, why are we having a problem with negligence claims????? I don't understand! Vicki from what i remember those test are pretty lame............ maybe a BPA instructor can but in here?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #125 January 23, 2004 QuoteOk Note to self " England sucks" England dont suck............... its the rules and regs that sucks................... The future must be NonBPA clubs!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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TattooedMoFo 0 #105 January 22, 2004 QuoteThe sponsored teams get very little money from member donations. The vast majority of the funding the BPA gives to the sponsored teams comes in turn from the British Sports Council. The BPA didn't apply to the Sports Council for funding for 2004, so whoever does compete in Croatia this year will have to be entirely self funded. Thats one of the reasons why XL and VMAX aren't competing this year. So the money that they ask for for the teams doesn't go to them then, thieving, lying bast*rds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spike 0 #106 January 22, 2004 Yeah, to put it in context. I'm likely to spend more money on beer this weekend than on membership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spike 0 #107 January 22, 2004 Quotedoesn't go to them then I'm not sure that everyone is as generous with thier contributions as you or I... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gremlin 0 #108 January 22, 2004 Have been in the APA AGM all day. Had a very interesting discussion about the BPA insurance increase. There are still no final figures as they are waiting for a second quote to come in but we are looking at membership prices of £100. Some figures, which I was not aware of (and straight from the horses mouth!) approx 25% of claims come from demo teams approx 65% of the claims involve injured students. In about 90% of cases the matter does not go to court. It is the BPAs intention to set up an insurance committee to look at insurance and whether premiums should be loaded either for instructors (as it is them getting taken to court by the students) by the students (who are making most of the claims) or by the demo teams (as they have an increased) risk Question has got to be - why was this committee not set up over a year ago. And remember ... next time you get bumped for that student or tandem - you are subsidising their insurance! I'm drunk, you're drunk, lets go back to mine.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #109 January 22, 2004 this is so fucking anoying! Why dont people take the attitude "well shit happens - i do this and know I can be hurt so if I am then its something I deal with" - instead of this bollox insurance claim shit!!! fuck me guys! you jump from aircraft and land parachutes and sometimes it dont go to plan!!! stop with this insurance shit!!! deal with it!!! (mainly posted at the students who "do something xtreme" but then cry when it goes slightly wrong! - tossas! what do you expect!!!! - it aint safe so dont expect it to be safe!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #110 January 22, 2004 My thoughts exactly mate. No-one takes responsability for themselves now ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TattooedMoFo 0 #111 January 23, 2004 Quotethis is so fucking anoying! Why dont people take the attitude "well shit happens - i do this and know I can be hurt so if I am then its something I deal with" - instead of this bollox insurance claim shit!!! fuck me guys! you jump from aircraft and land parachutes and sometimes it dont go to plan!!! stop with this insurance shit!!! deal with it!!! (mainly posted at the students who "do something xtreme" but then cry when it goes slightly wrong! - tossas! what do you expect!!!! - it aint safe so dont expect it to be safe!!! Havn't jumped at Perris and signed their waiver forms all 12 odd pages of them and having then read out a waiver to a camcorder, why don't they have a similar setup here and then the claims would come down to a minimum......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #112 January 23, 2004 Cos it's illegal in the UK. You can't sign away your rights like that.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #113 January 23, 2004 Because waiver like that are illegal in this country. They are also pretty un-necessary in most cases. We have a principal called “volenti non fit injuria”. Ie I voluntarily accepted the risk of injury. Non of the claims should succeed unless the instructor/centre has done something negligent to expose the student to danger. Now we know this doesn’t happen very often but we also know it does sometimes. In those instances where there has been negligence then I think its ok to sue – someone has done something wrong. But I guarantee that most of these instances are idiots who break their ankle cos they don’t PLF properly like they were shown and then bring a claim. Simply telling these idiot claimants to piss off costs money, even if they have no hope of succeeding. This is shit annoying, but this fact is a comment on society not on skydiving, skydivers or lawyers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #114 January 23, 2004 serioulsy though, i just want a decent membership card, not made out of paper. My friend can flash his PADI cards, i want a BPA card Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #115 January 23, 2004 Could always get the BPA credit card ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #116 January 23, 2004 QuoteNon of the claims should succeed unless the instructor/centre has done something negligent to expose the student to danger. Now we know this doesn’t happen very often but we also know it does sometimes. I know of at least one DZ that makes students sit a written test to demonstrate that they have fully understood all the important points covered on their RAPS/AFF course before they even think about letting them jump. Any incorrect answers are then discussed between instructor and student, and both then sign to show that the student now understands the correct answer and any corrective training is also noted. Do all/most DZs do this? If not, should they? And if an allegation of negligence were to be made, would such a document not prove that actually the student did know the important stuff but just f*cked up/chose to ignore it?! To my mind this should almost completely get rid of negligence claims by students. And any that were made could surely (Matt?) be very easily defended. Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #117 January 23, 2004 We did that at Cornwall before it shut.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #118 January 23, 2004 i thought that was part of the course? surely all DZ's give a written exam? I'm not getting a BPA credit card i just signed up for another one today to transfer a balance, i dont need another one.. well... until the 0% runs out, then its move time again.Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #119 January 23, 2004 I believe this is general practice and part of the RAPS course nationwide Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #120 January 23, 2004 Certainly the case in Scotland.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #121 January 23, 2004 QuoteI believe this is general practice and part of the RAPS course nationwide I thought it probably was - in which case, why are we having a problem with negligence claims????? I don't understand! Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #122 January 23, 2004 Quoteserioulsy though, i just want a decent membership card, not made out of paper. My friend can flash his PADI cardsreply] why is that? coz he is a tossa? Quotei want a BPA card hey why not just wear one of those skydiving T-shirts that says "hey Im a skydiver - I must be cool!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dustin19d 0 #123 January 23, 2004 Ok Note to self " England sucks" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #124 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteI believe this is general practice and part of the RAPS course nationwide I thought it probably was - in which case, why are we having a problem with negligence claims????? I don't understand! Vicki from what i remember those test are pretty lame............ maybe a BPA instructor can but in here?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #125 January 23, 2004 QuoteOk Note to self " England sucks" England dont suck............... its the rules and regs that sucks................... The future must be NonBPA clubs!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
dustin19d 0 #123 January 23, 2004 Ok Note to self " England sucks" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #124 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteI believe this is general practice and part of the RAPS course nationwide I thought it probably was - in which case, why are we having a problem with negligence claims????? I don't understand! Vicki from what i remember those test are pretty lame............ maybe a BPA instructor can but in here?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #125 January 23, 2004 QuoteOk Note to self " England sucks" England dont suck............... its the rules and regs that sucks................... The future must be NonBPA clubs!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
