dustin19d 0 #126 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteOk Note to self " England sucks" England dont suck............... its the rules and regs that sucks................... The future must be NonBPA clubs!!! ------------------------------------- I stand corected.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #127 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteserioulsy though, i just want a decent membership card, not made out of paper. My friend can flash his PADI cardsreply] why is that? coz he is a tossa? Quotei want a BPA card hey why not just wear one of those skydiving T-shirts that says "hey Im a skydiver - I must be cool!" i HATE those t-shitrs Yes he is a tosser. He just qualified as a dive master and keeps getting his card out to show me, i'm bored of it now and want to retaliate without fear of ripping up the card. Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #128 January 23, 2004 QuoteYes he is a tosser. He just qualified as a dive master and keeps getting his card out to show me, i'm bored of it now and want to retaliate without fear of ripping up the card. BPA - take all ya cash then supply a paper card................ but you do get a swanky plastic wallet for it??!?! well you used to anyhow!!! Get a weasle instead.......... it will eat ya mates card next time he gets it out........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zeemax 0 #129 January 23, 2004 a really bad paper card thats printed on with a desk jet. Considering the bugets for eveything else, it really is pathetic... I think i may have got that plastic wallet. pointless. I'm thinknig about stealing his card. Its waaaay to flash, printed picture of him on it, all his dive details etc. PADI know what they're doingPhoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #130 January 23, 2004 the reason we still get negligence claims despite a signed written exam is two fold. 1. People are gready and dumb, and lawyers are whuffos (mostly). A claim doesnt have to have any merit to be brought and cost the BPA money to tell them to fuck off. There may be absolutely no hope of the claimant winning, but it still costs the BPA money to say so. 2. Understanding the risks does not prevent a claim in neg. Imagine a SL instructor forgot to hook up the SL. Just cos you appreciated the risk of skydiving doesnt make it excusable for the instructor not to hook you up. (ignore the possability that you should check just for the sake of the example). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #131 January 23, 2004 Quotethe reason we still get negligence claims despite a signed written exam is two fold. 1. People are gready and dumb, and lawyers are whuffos (mostly). A claim doesnt have to have any merit to be brought and cost the BPA money to tell them to fuck off. There may be absolutely no hope of the claimant winning, but it still costs the BPA money to say so. 2. Understanding the risks does not prevent a claim in neg. Imagine a SL instructor forgot to hook up the SL. Just cos you appreciated the risk of skydiving doesnt make it excusable for the instructor not to hook you up. (ignore the possability that you should check just for the sake of the example). The reason we get trivial claims despite waivers is because the BPA probably just refers them to the insurance company. The insurance company then work out how much they expect it to cost if they fight it and lose. If the claim is for less, they pay up. They won't even take the chance. The lawyers know this and take advantage of it. Net result, insurance premiums go ballistic and everyone loses out. Every asshole who goes around with "in case of emergency, please call Claims Direct" on his lips should be tied to his lawyers and thrown down a mine shaft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #132 January 23, 2004 By the way, I'm actually dealing with a claim against the BPA insurance at the moment. [dons fire retardant suit] Let me explain first before you shout at me. A member of a demo team undershoots and hits a daft bint stood in the crowd. A colleague is working for the claimant through her insurance policy. She knows Im a skydiver so asks me to write an opinon. I tell here the claimant has no hope in hell of ever winning (true - various reasons) so she should drop the claim. I think they are currently in the process of dropping the claim. [/takes off fire retardant suit] So you see - I personally have saved the BPA money by preventing a law suit against them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #133 January 23, 2004 One thing I thought sucked was not being able to gain temp membership if resident in this country. I no longer skydive but when I had a friend visit me I wanted to dust off my old freeflying skills and make some jumps. I filled in the Temp membership form as it says clearly on top ".......or people wishing to join the BPA temporarily" – I filled it in, the manifest guy agreed with my reasoning on why I was taking out a temp membership and I had 1 month worth of UK skydiving. A month later I received a letter saying what I had done was wrong and if I wanted to skydive in this country again I must pay full membership (including FULL payment for the remaining 8 months) – I wrote back explaining why I thought I was able to and also the fact that (and I lied here) I skydive abroad and only want to skydive in the UK a couple months a year. I received a snotty letter back saying that in no way was I allowed to “cherry pick” my membership terms and if I don’t pay full membership I cant jump………………….. To me I think this unfair………….. Maybe I am being unfair………………….. Just wondered what you BPA members think – and whether this “cherry picking” should be allowed…………………. As for the BPA – I aint that fussed about skydiving anymore so no great loss to me…………………………. They just loose my money!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zeemax 0 #134 January 23, 2004 they owe you beer Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #135 January 23, 2004 Thats not how it works here. Insurance companies never just pay up without looking into whether or not the can escape liability. With the insurance firms I work for this almost always involves farming it out to a firm of solicitors who know what they are doing (some do still do it in house). Its paying the solicitors fees for deciding if the claim should be defended or not that costs them money. Overal its still cheaper than just paying up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites caz 0 #136 January 23, 2004 Yes you still get a swanky plastic wallet, which is about 1.5 times the size of the bit of card inside it. Classy. I took mine out and laminated it so it fits in my wallet because I was bored at work (no! surely not) one day. ~~~ London Skydivers ~~~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zeemax 0 #137 January 23, 2004 you laminated it? hmmm.. that could be an option, but then its still a shit looking bit of paper. BAdly printed. You can hardly see the canopy I joined hinton for a tenner and got a better membership card..Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #138 January 23, 2004 Tats true. The membership card does suck ass with a straw! For the money I'd want better than just a bit of paper printed with an ordinary home printer the you actually have to fold up yourself! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites caz 0 #139 January 23, 2004 yeah it looks slightly more professional laminated, but the image does still look like it was minimised using MS Paint then printed out on someones dodgy old inkjet. ~~~ London Skydivers ~~~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vt1977 0 #140 January 23, 2004 Quotethe reason we still get negligence claims despite a signed written exam is two fold. 1. OK - I understand what you're saying on this - even if someone has a truly pointless case, they can still bring it and it costs us legal fees regardless. And I guess in most cases, paying a lawyer to tell them to f*ck off is cheaper than paying them damages. Do we know if the BPA has a policy on this? If not they should have! 2. I imagine such instances are very rare (I may be wrong!). The problem seems to me to be people who are only ever going to do one jump. They bruise/sprain an ankle on landing and then decide to try to make some money fast by going to a "no win no fee" lawyer... Hmmm... there are lots of arguments against increasing temp membership (i.e. student parachutist insurance) but since they are the ones making the claims - surely they should pay?! If they're willing to pay £200 for a RAPS course, surely they'd pay £220? Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vt1977 0 #141 January 23, 2004 Hey Macca – if you want a decent membership card that isn’t made of paper join the USPA! You get twice as many mags, insurance cover in the US and (the best bit!) it costs half the amount of BPA membership! Go figure… Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zeemax 0 #142 January 23, 2004 oooooooo good plan Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dustin19d 0 #143 January 23, 2004 QuoteHey Macca ?if you want a decent membership card that isn’t made of paper join the USPA! You get twice as many mags, insurance cover in the US and (the best bit!) it costs half the amount of BPA membership! Go figure? Vicki --------------- yeah, thats what im taking about!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 6 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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BASE813 0 #128 January 23, 2004 QuoteYes he is a tosser. He just qualified as a dive master and keeps getting his card out to show me, i'm bored of it now and want to retaliate without fear of ripping up the card. BPA - take all ya cash then supply a paper card................ but you do get a swanky plastic wallet for it??!?! well you used to anyhow!!! Get a weasle instead.......... it will eat ya mates card next time he gets it out........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #129 January 23, 2004 a really bad paper card thats printed on with a desk jet. Considering the bugets for eveything else, it really is pathetic... I think i may have got that plastic wallet. pointless. I'm thinknig about stealing his card. Its waaaay to flash, printed picture of him on it, all his dive details etc. PADI know what they're doingPhoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #130 January 23, 2004 the reason we still get negligence claims despite a signed written exam is two fold. 1. People are gready and dumb, and lawyers are whuffos (mostly). A claim doesnt have to have any merit to be brought and cost the BPA money to tell them to fuck off. There may be absolutely no hope of the claimant winning, but it still costs the BPA money to say so. 2. Understanding the risks does not prevent a claim in neg. Imagine a SL instructor forgot to hook up the SL. Just cos you appreciated the risk of skydiving doesnt make it excusable for the instructor not to hook you up. (ignore the possability that you should check just for the sake of the example). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #131 January 23, 2004 Quotethe reason we still get negligence claims despite a signed written exam is two fold. 1. People are gready and dumb, and lawyers are whuffos (mostly). A claim doesnt have to have any merit to be brought and cost the BPA money to tell them to fuck off. There may be absolutely no hope of the claimant winning, but it still costs the BPA money to say so. 2. Understanding the risks does not prevent a claim in neg. Imagine a SL instructor forgot to hook up the SL. Just cos you appreciated the risk of skydiving doesnt make it excusable for the instructor not to hook you up. (ignore the possability that you should check just for the sake of the example). The reason we get trivial claims despite waivers is because the BPA probably just refers them to the insurance company. The insurance company then work out how much they expect it to cost if they fight it and lose. If the claim is for less, they pay up. They won't even take the chance. The lawyers know this and take advantage of it. Net result, insurance premiums go ballistic and everyone loses out. Every asshole who goes around with "in case of emergency, please call Claims Direct" on his lips should be tied to his lawyers and thrown down a mine shaft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #132 January 23, 2004 By the way, I'm actually dealing with a claim against the BPA insurance at the moment. [dons fire retardant suit] Let me explain first before you shout at me. A member of a demo team undershoots and hits a daft bint stood in the crowd. A colleague is working for the claimant through her insurance policy. She knows Im a skydiver so asks me to write an opinon. I tell here the claimant has no hope in hell of ever winning (true - various reasons) so she should drop the claim. I think they are currently in the process of dropping the claim. [/takes off fire retardant suit] So you see - I personally have saved the BPA money by preventing a law suit against them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #133 January 23, 2004 One thing I thought sucked was not being able to gain temp membership if resident in this country. I no longer skydive but when I had a friend visit me I wanted to dust off my old freeflying skills and make some jumps. I filled in the Temp membership form as it says clearly on top ".......or people wishing to join the BPA temporarily" – I filled it in, the manifest guy agreed with my reasoning on why I was taking out a temp membership and I had 1 month worth of UK skydiving. A month later I received a letter saying what I had done was wrong and if I wanted to skydive in this country again I must pay full membership (including FULL payment for the remaining 8 months) – I wrote back explaining why I thought I was able to and also the fact that (and I lied here) I skydive abroad and only want to skydive in the UK a couple months a year. I received a snotty letter back saying that in no way was I allowed to “cherry pick” my membership terms and if I don’t pay full membership I cant jump………………….. To me I think this unfair………….. Maybe I am being unfair………………….. Just wondered what you BPA members think – and whether this “cherry picking” should be allowed…………………. As for the BPA – I aint that fussed about skydiving anymore so no great loss to me…………………………. They just loose my money!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #134 January 23, 2004 they owe you beer Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #135 January 23, 2004 Thats not how it works here. Insurance companies never just pay up without looking into whether or not the can escape liability. With the insurance firms I work for this almost always involves farming it out to a firm of solicitors who know what they are doing (some do still do it in house). Its paying the solicitors fees for deciding if the claim should be defended or not that costs them money. Overal its still cheaper than just paying up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caz 0 #136 January 23, 2004 Yes you still get a swanky plastic wallet, which is about 1.5 times the size of the bit of card inside it. Classy. I took mine out and laminated it so it fits in my wallet because I was bored at work (no! surely not) one day. ~~~ London Skydivers ~~~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #137 January 23, 2004 you laminated it? hmmm.. that could be an option, but then its still a shit looking bit of paper. BAdly printed. You can hardly see the canopy I joined hinton for a tenner and got a better membership card..Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #138 January 23, 2004 Tats true. The membership card does suck ass with a straw! For the money I'd want better than just a bit of paper printed with an ordinary home printer the you actually have to fold up yourself! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caz 0 #139 January 23, 2004 yeah it looks slightly more professional laminated, but the image does still look like it was minimised using MS Paint then printed out on someones dodgy old inkjet. ~~~ London Skydivers ~~~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #140 January 23, 2004 Quotethe reason we still get negligence claims despite a signed written exam is two fold. 1. OK - I understand what you're saying on this - even if someone has a truly pointless case, they can still bring it and it costs us legal fees regardless. And I guess in most cases, paying a lawyer to tell them to f*ck off is cheaper than paying them damages. Do we know if the BPA has a policy on this? If not they should have! 2. I imagine such instances are very rare (I may be wrong!). The problem seems to me to be people who are only ever going to do one jump. They bruise/sprain an ankle on landing and then decide to try to make some money fast by going to a "no win no fee" lawyer... Hmmm... there are lots of arguments against increasing temp membership (i.e. student parachutist insurance) but since they are the ones making the claims - surely they should pay?! If they're willing to pay £200 for a RAPS course, surely they'd pay £220? Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #141 January 23, 2004 Hey Macca – if you want a decent membership card that isn’t made of paper join the USPA! You get twice as many mags, insurance cover in the US and (the best bit!) it costs half the amount of BPA membership! Go figure… Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #142 January 23, 2004 oooooooo good plan Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dustin19d 0 #143 January 23, 2004 QuoteHey Macca ?if you want a decent membership card that isn’t made of paper join the USPA! You get twice as many mags, insurance cover in the US and (the best bit!) it costs half the amount of BPA membership! Go figure? Vicki --------------- yeah, thats what im taking about!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
