Are you going to vote for Dubya?

[DShiznit 0]

I've quite a few talks with friends on how GW has helped/hurt the economy, and I usually get a pretty strong answer one way or the other.

Are you going to vote for George W. Bush for President for a second term?

[mailin 0]

I don't think that "no, he's ruined the economy" is the only 'no' answer out there.

He's brought us closer and closer to a socialist state IMO - and done so without most people even noticing, some even saying they actually like it ... thats why I'm not voting for him.

Jennifer

Arianna Frances

[DShiznit 0]

Perhaps a better way to say it is, "I don't like what he has done or where his direction is going" is better phrased.

[benny 0]

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I don't think that "no, he's ruined the economy" is the only 'no' answer out there.

Like no, he's done all he can to ruin the environment (hey, at least with all the trees his administration wants cut down there will be plenty of great "outs")

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[bmcd308 0]

You forgot "Yes, I perceive him as the least of the available evils."

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[flyinghonu 0]

Don't think GW single handedly ruined our economy (but don't think he did much to prevent it either).

Most importantly, I feel not only misled but outright lied to about the administration's intention and goals regarding our country's invasion of Iraq. I don't think this country needs a President who is more concerned about his (or his dad's) personal vendettas than he is about the welfare, safety & lives of the American citizens, American soliders and world as a whole.

Its time for somebody new.

"Excuse me while I kiss the sky..." - Jimi Hendrix

[DShiznit 0]

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Don't think GW single handedly ruined our economy (but don't think he did much to prevent it either).

Most importantly, I feel not only misled but outright lied to about the administration's intention and goals regarding our country's invasion of Iraq. I don't think this country needs a President who is more concerned about his (or his dad's) personal vendettas than he is about the welfare, safety & lives of the American citizens, American soliders and world as a whole.

Its time for somebody new.

I heard about that on a radio talk show just the other day, and I fully agree.

[FrogNog 1]

I don't blame Bush for the Economy, but I plan to vote against him. Mostly for the "WMDs in Iraq" insult. I'm OK with going to war with another country for shitty reasons, but I need it to be on the level. If the rest of the country is not like me and needs to be lied to, that doesn't make it OK for the prez to lie to me about it.

Now, if there was some national security reason that they never told anybody, and they had to lie about having lied about WMDs to protect all of us, then I'm in the wrong and in two decades when I read about it in the history books at the library, I will regret this.

My second reason is that I believe in balance in Congress. When Republicans won a lot of spots in Congress, I saw a need to restore the deadlock - I mean, restore the "balance" - for the good of the nation.

Therefore it's the Demopublicans' turn in the White House. In another 4 or 8 years we'll go back to a Republicrat president.

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[Remster 30]

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He's brought us closer and closer to a socialist state IMO

Care to explain?

A fascist state maybe, but socialist????

Remster

[JRock 0]

I blame Clinton for the economy..... all the prosperity we had was BS..... over inflated stocks....
Blah blah blah.....

[rehmwa 2]

Right now, we don't know who his competition is nor where they stand. Let the dems pick a single candidate and then let's find out what he stands for, rather than just what he doesn't stand for. Can't tell that right now as they are pandering to the angry part of their crowd for the party nomination.

Then we can compare and pick the best candidate.

Until the ballot allows a negative vote for someone as an option, it's pretty crappy to vote 'against' someone if there is --not a better choice--.

In other words, it's stupid to try and vote someone 'out of office'. They are already in. What you're really doing is voting someone in, so you need to pick that person.

Pick the best candidate whoever that is. You always vote for someone, never against. No matter how much you'd like to.

Seems this poll is a few months premature for anything useful other than bashing.

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[kelel01 1]

Didn't vote for him the first time, not going to this time. I'm a lefty.

Kelly

[JRock 0]

I used to like you......

JK

[turtlespeed 226]

They have to find someone that actualy COULD be president w/o scaring the hell out of us.

Remember Jimmy Carter?

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[DShiznit 0]

All valid points, but this post was made due to recent events that have come to light, so yes, this could be perceived as a bashing post.

Just wanted to get a few views of other people. I'm from Texas, so our ex-governor is looked at differently here rather than other parts of the US.

[mailin 0]

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Care to explain?

hehe - no. Cause I can't. I used the wrong analogy. Your correct in saying fascist. I had to look it up, as I realized I didn't really know the difference between the two. So for anyone who is interested, I came across this in a real quick 'net search:

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The only practical difference between fascism and socialism is that in a communist society government owns all property and directs all enterprise, whereas in a fascist society private property ownership continues, but entrepreneurs must submit to government's ideologies and goals - chief of which is the task of funding government programs with the proceeds of private enterprise. www.chuckmissler.com

Jennifer

Arianna Frances

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

Anybody but Bush, no way in hell can he expect a vote from me.

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator..."

--quote taken from a statement given by George W. Bush in Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to Washington as President-elect

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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

Angry part?

Last time I checked, there is one Dem hopeful that has a "no mudsliging, no hate talk" approach to his campaign.

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[NZL60 0]

I'm not allowed to vote yet.. I can pay taxes though !

Who said Kiwis can't fly?

[cloud9 0]

I must confess it still amazes me how ignorant many of our voters are, and how easily steered by liberals.

A statement like “Bush has harmed our economy.” If you’re going to make statements like that at least back them up. So how has Bush hurt our economy? The fact is in the last 2 yrs of the Clinton administration the economy was going down hill very quickly. Bush has managed to help get things moving again. How? Well tax breaks for one thing. Secondly we have had some of the worst economic disasters in recent years, the terror attacks, Enron, World COM and in spite of these consumer confidence is returning. Why? Because were seeing some unprecedented things like laws to put these executives in jail. And of course preemptive strikes to protect our nation.

As for lying to the country about the war its been US policy since 1998 to remove Saddam from power, Clinton just had so many of his own demons to worry about he didn’t have time for our country. Just the UN resolution violations alone should have been more then enough, add to that a hit put on a US president that should be more then sufficient for anyone. Then look at the intelligence that was given many of the democrats that had the same information Bush had voted for the war. Now of course they’re trying to distance themselves from it.

The socialist statement is so ludicrous I won’t even dignify it with a response.

Finally for a skydiver to complain about the environment is the height of hypocrisy airplanes are some of the worst polluters out there. Skydiving is completely unnecessary, don’t get wrong I love it but I admit it goes against all environmental, tree hugging save the whales songs. We drive SUV’s, vans, and trucks cause they hold our gear and they’re more comfortable or we drive sports cars cause they’re fast There may be a few out there that actually drive small economy cars to try and help, then they get in airplanes and fly in circles polluting the hell out the air just for the thrill of jumping out. and then don’t want to vote for the man that tries to keep them fueled up.

I guess this is why I never talk politics on the DZ!

[lawrocket 3]

I did not vote in your poll. I will not vote for GWB in the election. I did not vote for him in 2000.

Do I think he ruined the economy? No, I do not. The economy was already in a recession when the election was held, and one man cannot stop an avalanche.

Still, I disagree with Bush. I think his domestic security policies are dangerous to civil liberties. I also disagree with a lot of his foreign policies.

I'll do what I did last election - vote Libertarian.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[DShiznit 0]

I was merely asking for opinions, not meant to get a rise out of those that feel the need to analyze everything....

So uh..... How do you feel about racism in the 21st century?

[DShiznit 0]

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I did not vote in your poll. I will not vote for GWB in the election. I did not vote for him in 2000.

Do I think he ruined the economy? No, I do not. The economy was already in a recession when the election was held, and one man cannot stop an avalanche.

Still, I disagree with Bush. I think his domestic security policies are dangerous to civil liberties. I also disagree with a lot of his foreign policies.

I'll do what I did last election - vote Libertarian.

Now that is the type of replies that I wanted to see!!!!

[cloud9 0]

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So uh..... How do you feel about racism in the 21st century?

Its overated!

[billvon 3,070]

>So how has Bush hurt our economy?

So far he hasn't done much to hurt it, but he is rapidly building up a deficit that will cause massive harm to the economy. You can't borrow and spend forever; eventually you have to pay it back, and will have to pay interest as well. That money will come from massive tax increases. The taxes themselves won't kill the economy, but a valuless dollar will. It's happened before. Usually the strategy is to get re-elected before the shit hits the fan, then blame the next guy for not fixing it sooner. Will he get away with it? Probably. There are enough people that believe in one party or president so strongly that they'll believe anything they are told.

>As for lying to the country about the war its been US policy since
> 1998 to remove Saddam from power . . .

Agreed, and if he had said that, then there wouldn't be a big stink now. But instead he said that the US was in imminent danger from Saddam's massive stockpile of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. That was either a lie or an involuntary misrepresentation, depending on whether you're a GWB supporter or not. I guess it depends on your definition of "lie."

>There may be a few out there that actually drive small economy cars
> to try and help, then they get in airplanes and fly in circles polluting
> the hell out the air just for the thrill of jumping out. and then don’t
> want to vote for the man that tries to keep them fueled up.

I have a car that gets 50mpg. Since Amy and I jump together we get about 100pmpg. I'd be happy to pay an extra $10 a jump for a natural-gas-fueled aircraft; they exist but there are none in skydiving yet. I would vote for a guy that would help that transition happen. Skydiving (or any motor sport) is not worth thousands dead; if I could stop a war by not jumping I would. There's always BASE . . .