kelel01 1 #1 January 19, 2004 Or some sort of combination thereof? Definitions (as I perceive them), just to help the progression of this thread: Fate: destiny; the outcomes of our lives are predetermined and out of our control (includes concept of "the one"). Chance: Things just happen with no rhyme or reason. Consequence: Everything that happens to you is the direct or indirect result of some other choice you have made. Example: you decide to sleep in and go to work late, and as a result, you get into a fender bender. Had you chosen to be at work on time, it wouldn't have happened. Or would it? . . . Let me know! Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #2 January 19, 2004 Fate: no Chance: Yes Consequence (in the sense that you have used it): no Chance, if you believe it is the big winner here, negates both fate and consequence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skysprite 0 #3 January 19, 2004 What about you're late for work, therefore avoiding a fenderbender? Had you not overslept and gone to work on time, you would have gotten into the crash. One will never know, but have you ever looked at it that way? Rather than consequence, I call it coincidence or synchronicity, meaning that I feel things happen at the right time for a reason. I do feel that you directly influence certain events, but overall if you're open you'll receive "guidance" of some sort.~skysprite Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #4 January 19, 2004 Wow cool Questions. Thats a hard one. I think maybe alittle of both. I do think you can change your life and you choose your own path in many ways. I also think things happen to a person that is totally out of any ones control. I do believe in what goes around comes around. Fate: Yes but but little Chance: Yes but there are things in your control Consequence: Yes as in what goes around comes around.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #5 January 19, 2004 Ok, so could it be said that you believe in "Fate, as long as you don't screw it up"? That's kind of my stance, but it scares the shit out of me. What if you DO have someone you're meant to be with, but you do something wrong and screw it up? What then? Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skysprite 0 #6 January 19, 2004 To clarify, I do believe there is a natural flow, which can be called fate, but not in the strict definition of the word (predetermined events). I belive that because we were given free will, naturally we can choose to "go with the flow" or not, for whatever reasons we decide. In effect I do believe that we can "screw up" a "Mr. (Ms.) Right" situation, but to a certain extent that natural flow will always be there and we'll get a second chance of sorts, maybe more. But that's just me rambling.~skysprite Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #7 January 19, 2004 Fate - no. I won't ever let anyone get away with telling me I didn't work my ass off to get where I am and that I was "fated" to do it. Chance - yes, to an extent. I'm waiting for the good fate to bring me a 30 million dollar case that I can settle the next day and net me a cool 10 million. FOr some rhyme or reason, it has not happened. Consequence? No. As I informed my parents numerous times as a teenager, I didn't ask to be born. I didn't say, "Hi, mom and dad, it's me, a floating spirit. I want to be imprisoned by a body of flesh and not freed by a body of light. I'm sick of a life with no questions and only answers." Yet, everything that happens to me stems directly from my parents' choice to copulate. Thus, it is up to me to make the best of what I've been given. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #8 January 19, 2004 I definitely believe in fate. . .things happen for a reason. . .however, I do believe we have input/control of our destinys. Usually when some bad situation happens. . .a learning experience comes out of it and I am much stronger because of the learning experience. When good things happen, the results are the same. . .I still learn and get so much out of it. . .________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 36 #9 January 19, 2004 I do believe in a form of fate, but that the parameters and circumstances surrounding all the thousands or millions of events leading to the inevitable outcome, make it impossible to predict at our current level of technology and understanding. Take weather for example; to an extent tomorrow's weather is fate, and can be fairly accurately predicted using the science of the weather in the present. It cant be 100% guaranteed though because there are still a small number of unpredictable (currently unknown) variables that can alter the final weather effect. An engineer, testing a worn tyre in a controlled environment, can make predictions about when it may rupture and potentialy result in an accident on the car that would have been attached to it under very exact conditions. I think life is similar; that there is a predefined quantity and order of brain synapses and chemicals that drive us to think and do things in a semi-predictable pattern, but that a huge number of other circumstances, and actions of others in our lives, can alter the final outcome, so that the fate of one person can often be the collective fate of a group of people, and vice-versa. To predict the future and understand fate, a person would need perfect and complete understanding of the present. Because the present, in all its complexity, still ultimately determines the inevitable chain of events leading to the future. Edited for spelling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdthomas 0 #10 January 19, 2004 I really like what skysprite has to say on this, and I tend to agree with that and think along the same line. I am not sure about how all this life stuff works, is supposed to work. I just try to do what i feel is right or right at that time. I allways pull over and help stranded motorist, even though it is not always to be safe it's just that it has been me and I know the pain. and who knows maybe I am building my positibe Karma if there is such a thing. I don't really go to church, but I am all for it, you can't loose anything having religon.. it's like insurance for the sole.. Free will and trying to think about free will issues daunts me so i tend to stay away from think about it. Just go have a coffee and talk about something else is what I do! man that was pointless, sorry! Joewww.greenboxphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caress 0 #11 January 19, 2004 Do I believe in Fate,chance or consequence. 1st I think everyone has some control in where their lives go-God will teach within what you create yourself. God believes in Free will. And he will allow you to hang yourself, so you can kick yourself later and talk to him about it. Chance things that happen with no rhyme, or reason. things like chance happen all the time. Some chance things we bring on ourselves with the decisions we make, some things are mysteriously brought into play, Yeah I guess some things happen just by chance. Consequence- yup I get alot of consequence. It is a wake up call from your principal in the school of life so you will make better calls in the future, and not do that thing again. Just my $0.02 Caress I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #12 January 19, 2004 Fate: yes....in that fate brings us choices. There are defining moments in our lives that are brought to us. How we choose to proceed is up to us. There is also chance. And there is Karma. I also believe in a God that is benevolent and is not a "zapper" just waiting for you to screw up and send bad things your way. And yes....there is Consequence to your actions. You have to believe that. So....yes to all? Life is complicated!Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #13 January 19, 2004 Oh, and just to clarify something that seems to be a recurring theme in these posts, that actual definition of consequence does not indicate that it is a negative term. A consequence is just the result of an action, good or bad. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #14 January 20, 2004 I KNOW. Why you have to be so hard on me? It's not like fate told you to flame me or anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #15 January 20, 2004 Nope, that was a CONSEQUENCE of your actions. Haha, just kidding. I wasn't flaming anyone; I just realized that my definition was unclear. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #16 January 20, 2004 QuoteNope, that was a CONSEQUENCE of your actions. Haha, just kidding. I wasn't flaming anyone; I just realized that my definition was unclear. Kelly Huh....what are the chances? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #17 January 20, 2004 Pretty good, considering this whole conversation was cosmically predetermined. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #18 January 20, 2004 QuotePretty good, considering this whole conversation was cosmically predetermined. Kelly Love, exciting and new. Come aboard, we're expecting you.... The Love Board. Soon we'll be making another run... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #19 January 20, 2004 Nah, you make your own fate._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #20 January 20, 2004 QuotePretty good, considering this whole conversation was cosmically predetermined. Kelly [buzz lightyear voice] You're mocking me aren't you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #21 January 20, 2004 QuoteQuotePretty good, considering this whole conversation was cosmically predetermined. Kelly Love, exciting and new. Come aboard, we're expecting you.... The Love Board. Soon we'll be making another run... Ummmm....dude? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #22 January 20, 2004 QuoteFate: yes....in that fate brings us choices. There are defining moments in our lives that are brought to us. How we choose to proceed is up to us. There is also chance. And there is Karma. I also believe in a God that is benevolent and is not a "zapper" just waiting for you to screw up and send bad things your way. And yes....there is Consequence to your actions. You have to believe that. So....yes to all? Life is complicated! Exactly what he said. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #23 January 20, 2004 Just a bad joke about the conversation between you and kelel.... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #24 January 20, 2004 QuoteOr some sort of combination thereof? Definitions (as I perceive them), just to help the progression of this thread: Fate: destiny; the outcomes of our lives are predetermined and out of our control (includes concept of "the one"). Chance: Things just happen with no rhyme or reason. Consequence: Everything that happens to you is the direct or indirect result of some other choice you have made. Example: you decide to sleep in and go to work late, and as a result, you get into a fender bender. Had you chosen to be at work on time, it wouldn't have happened. Or would it? . . . Let me know! Kelly you create what you believe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #25 January 20, 2004 QuoteJust a bad joke about the conversation between you and kelel.... I know man.....[sam jackson voice] be cool man... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
