zyne 0 #76 January 13, 2004 This is going to ridiculous lengths. Just launch me in to fucking orbit with a carton of Marlboro's and leave me for 10 days. For fucks sakes people, its going from ridiculous to .. I don't know where .. I'm just amazed at that last comment ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #77 January 13, 2004 QuoteThis is going to ridiculous lengths. Just launch me in to fucking orbit with a carton of Marlboro's and leave me for 10 days. Quote that's all I ask Edit: After 30 years, just recovering from asthma induced by father smoking. Still get smoking triggered migraines frequently - those put me out of commission for 2-3 days at a time. So, Yeah, I have an opinion on this self destructive, voluntary activity. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #78 January 13, 2004 Quotethe cost/benefit comparision is only something a person can decide for them selves...this applies to everything..drugs, alcohol, rich/fattening foods, and gasp even skydiving.. Strictly speaking that is true. However, with many cases the objective cost overwhelms the subjective benefit so much that this objection, while formally correct, becomes unreasonable. Quote"i enjoy it." I don't have a problem with smokers who admit that their "habit" that is so difficult to break is actually an addiction. But smokers who smoke regularly, know it's bad for them, agree that there is no overwhelming benefit, and justify their lack of attempts at quitting by any other means I do not agree with. Especially smokers who metaphorically plug their ears when someone tells them they should quit. "You have no right to tell me things" is not a valid argument. Smoking occasionally I'm ambiguous towards. It's not really harmful, so they don't really need to quit, but they shouldn't have started it in the first place. As to the people who smoke, I don't mind occasional smokers at all. Chronic smokers I will be friends with, but I will not stay around them when they're smoking and I will not be anything more than friends with a chronic smoker, addiction or not. C'est la vie. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites zyne 0 #79 January 13, 2004 Opinions are like assholes, we all have one and they all stink. Point STILL being: It's my right (and my choice) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #80 January 13, 2004 QuoteWe are tired of the mightier-than-thou self-righteous attitude. I think your knowledge that the people who encourage you to quit are right is contributing to you perceiving this as such an attitude. Let me repharse this. Can someone tell you to quit smoking in such a way as he will not have a "mightier-than-thou self-righteous attitude"? If not, then the attitude is in your head. QuoteArrogant fucks And don't call me names, either. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mfrese 0 #81 January 13, 2004 Sorry, with nothing of real value to add to the debate, and with apologies to those who have very real health issues with smoking...for those of you who've read Tom Robbins, this thread is starting to remind me of this exchange from "Still Life with Woodpecker": Leigh-Cheri (smugly): "Kissing a smoker is like licking an ashtray"! The Woodpecker: "I've heard that. I've also heard that kissing a person who's self-righteous and intolerant is like licking a mongoose's ass". Sorry, back to your regular programming...Doctor I ain't gonna die, Just write me an alibi! ---- Lemmy/Slash Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites zyne 0 #82 January 13, 2004 Has it ever occured to you that we may be sick and tired of hearing it? Has it ever occured to you that we may have tried many times and not been able to? Has it ever ocurred to you that we may feel like you should mind your own business instead of ours? I'll be the first to admit I'm addicted to nicotine. I'll be the first to admit I've tried to quit, I'd even like to but its close to impossible. For some people its harder to quit smoking than hard drugs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites zyne 0 #83 January 13, 2004 QuoteSorry, with nothing of real value to add to the debate, and with apologies to those who have very real health issues with smoking...for those of you who've read Tom Robbins, this thread is starting to remind of this exchange from "Still Life with Woodpecker": Leigh-Cheri (smugly): "Kissing a smoker is like licking an ashtray"! The Woodpecker: "I've heard that. I've also heard that kissing a person who's self-righteous and intolerant is like licking a mongoose's ass". Sorry, back to your regular programming... LOL! I like that one! For some reason I feel it really belongs .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #84 January 13, 2004 I understand and agree. I do not walk around in life and tell people who smoke to quit smoking. I've only done it twice, first with my father (tried to get him to quit, didn't work), and second with my exgirlfriend (tried to tell her not to start, didn't work). Keep in mind that I spend a lot of time with both, and I'm asthmatic. This is a discussion on smoking. I've given my opinion. I haven't told anyone to quit. As long as I'm not explicitly speaking to you, you have as much a right to ignore me talking as I have a right to ignore you smoking. It's obvious that many smokers on this board are bitter, and no matter what I say I will incite a fight, so unless someone calls me an "arrogant fuck" again I'll stay away. Suffice to say that when I finally get to meet Lisa in person, I will be very happy to see her, smoking or not. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites zyne 0 #85 January 13, 2004 I can see your point considering the asthma. Do understand that (I'll just speak for myself on this) I personally would not knowingly smoke around someone with that problem. I've been asked by friends at the dz not to smoke around em and as a result I usually put it out when they are around. It's the "die smoker!!" attitude I can't stand and don't have anything left over for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #86 January 13, 2004 I've only met a handful of smokers that would deliberately blow smoke in my direction. They were all underage. Cheers, man. Except for personal attacks, I'm outta here. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #87 January 13, 2004 QuoteI've only met a handful of smokers that would deliberately blow smoke in my direction Fire extinguishers work well in that case. Where there is smoke.. there must be a fire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StearmanR985 0 #88 January 13, 2004 I smoke about 3 or 4 cigs a month (beer influenced at friends house full of smokers) Please don't tell my SO though. She really gets at me when I do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #89 January 13, 2004 oh so this was all encouragment??? bs i have had good friends encourage me to quit with out making me feel subhuman and i tell them that i really appreciate their concern. because thats actually what it is... a concern for my health. not just an overall hatred of the smoker. since you took personal offense because of my statement let me ask you...if you are not being self- righteous then what is your point?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GARYC24 3 #90 January 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteyour right. if you screw up smoking you burn yourself. if you screw up swooping.... Oh, come on. Smoking kills when you do it right. And if you do it wrong ?: ATTENTION SMOKERS AND FRIENDS OF SMOKERS Every smoker has done it; either you're distracted by a conversation you are having, you're driving and trying to keep an eye on the road, you're in a poorly lit bar, or you've simply had a few too many drinks in a well lit bar. However it happens, every smoker occasionally lights the wrong end of his or her cigarette, inhales one nasty lungfull of burning filter, curses, throws the now useless thing to the ground, and lights up a fresh smoke. It is unpleasant, annoying, and embarrassing . . . but scientists now believe inhaling the burning fumes from a cigarette filter can cause genital dysfunction in males and females. Cigarette filters contain a chemical known as tralfamadoraphyl that is generally harmless . . . unless it is burned and its fumes inhaled. Tralfamadoraphyl fumes build up in the body over time with each incorrectly lit cigarette, and eventually can restrict the flow of blood to the genitals of both sexes. It is estimated that if an individual were to incorrectly light one cigarette a month, it may take three or four years for the side effects to become recognizable. Cigarette manufacturers are not made to warn the smoking public of this threat to their health because, as one tobacco executive has stated, "If our product is used in the way it has been intended, this will not be a problem." So, it is up to us. Pass this along to all the smokers in your life, and to the nonsmokers who have friends and relatives who smoke. They will thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hmatousek 0 #91 January 13, 2004 I have smoked for some time now and I don't blame non-smokers for being irritated at my bad habit (a thing of the past as of two days ago). When I smoke I do go outside. Even at the bar in Eloy. I was told by the people around me that the smoke didn't bother them but it bothered me that I could be potentially harming others. Non smokers have every right to breath clean air. We all do. If I want to smoke I will but it is my responsibilty to be sure only I will be included in the consequences.Life doesn't have to be perfect in order to be beautiful! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #92 January 13, 2004 It's about time someone said it, "Women stop that smoking". At one time, women didn't smoke unless they were of relaxed morals. And while were at it, the voting was a bad idea too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoysPlayThing 0 #93 January 13, 2004 Yes, I agree... smoking is a thilfy discusting habit... and they are very nasty to put in your mouth, and to see girls with them in their mouths. ...But... ahem! ... I know of some guys that have had some pretty discusting things in their mouths, and I'm not talking about cigarettes! ... _______________________________________________ My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #94 January 13, 2004 ouch www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #95 January 13, 2004 Quotesince you took personal offense because of my statement let me ask you...if you are not being self- righteous then what is your point? My original post in this thread stated that I think smoking is a disgusting habit and that I am not attracted to girls that smoke. That was and is my point. Notice that this is not self-righteous because I have made no judgement on you or any other smoker, I expressed my personal preference. Read my posts carefully and you will not see any statement about anyone in this thread or any statement about the personalities of individual smokers. Do not put words in my mouth. Oh, wait, I get it. You don't like me saying that smoking is disgusting. You don't like me indirectly criticizing you for having a disgusting habit. And you consider this self-righteous. Well, that's just too bad. You don't have a right not to be criticized, but you do have a right to ignore it. You also don't have a right to call anyone names. And I still think that you see a self-rightousness in my words (even though you don't know me and can't hear me) because you know I'm right, and this bothers you. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoysPlayThing 0 #96 January 13, 2004 Quote My original post in this thread stated that I think smoking is a disgusting habit and that I am not attracted to girls that smoke. That was and is my point. Notice that this is not self-righteous because I have made no judgement on you or any other smoker, I expressed my personal preference. Read my posts carefully and you will not see any statement about anyone in this thread or any statement about the personalities of individual smokers. Do not put words in my mouth. Oh, wait, I get it. You don't like me saying that smoking is disgusting. You don't like me indirectly criticizing you for having a disgusting habit. And you consider this self-righteous. Well, that's just too bad. You don't have a right not to be criticized, but you do have a right to ignore it. You also don't have a right to call anyone names. ahem! ... Lets not have smoke coming out of our ears now! ...No Pun intended... Edited to say: Pun, Pun,... I meant to say "Pun"!...LOL_______________________________________________ My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gmanpilot 0 #97 January 13, 2004 QuoteIt's the "die smoker!!" attitude I can't stand and don't have anything left over for. I think I have found the true definition of Irony._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #98 January 13, 2004 points But he called me a bad word! bwaaaaaaaaaa! -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoysPlayThing 0 #99 January 13, 2004 Quote points But he called me a bad word! bwaaaaaaaaaa! Okay, I understand.. ... lol! _______________________________________________ My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fudd 0 #100 January 13, 2004 Lisa, your long post was really good, and in my opinion the first real serious post in this thread. I made one post earlier in this thread, but it was an angry post. Angry because I am sick of people feeding the evil anti-smoke agenda. Here is a longer and more well formed post. We always hear all the reasons we should quit smoking. It's bad for your health. It smells bad. It's expensive. There are a lot of good reasons to quit smoking. All smokers have already heard all these facts. Not a single one of them is good enough however to make a smoker quit. They aren't even good enough combined! If the were, then surely all smokers would have quit by now. Wouldn't they? We must not look for the reasons why we should quit smoking. We must look at the reasons why we smoke. Reasons can be: - It taste so good after a meal. - It relieves stress - It is social - It goes hand in hand with a beer The list can go on and on. Looking at the reasons we usually list when we try to explain why we smoke we can deduct that smoking gives us something. It gives us something that our life will be without if we quit. It feels like it is enriching our life. Smokers enjoy something non-smokers never will. Or….? Think about every situation you smoke, and why. Be honest. The only thing we really get out of a smoke is to satisfy the hunger for nicotine. Lisa is right! It’s a fucking addiction. The only thing the different situations and reasons give us is an excuse to satisfy our nicotine hunger. Not conscious, but sub-conscious. If you agree with me so far, you might agree that what we achieve by smoking is to satisfy the addiction so that we don’t feel the need for a smoke anymore. Maybe we even smoke another one straight away, so that it will take more time until we need one again. The only thing we accomplish by smoking is to get to the state we were before we started smoking. Try this for a motivation. By not smoking we will achieve the wonderful effect of having had a smoke permanently, without ever having to smoke again! (and without all the side effects of smoking.) Doesn’t sound to bad eh? Now, if it just hadn’t been so hard. Unfortunately we are bombarded with information all the time that quitting is really hard, and most probably we will fail. As smokers we are very receptive for this propaganda, and we let it brainwash us. It justifies why we can’t stop. Since we can’t stop we get a little nervous and stressed when someone warns us about the cancer risk. Now what must we do to relieve that stress??? What about a smoke? Yeah, fuck those self righteous bastards! Newsflash: It isn’t hard to quit!!!! Newsflash: It isn’t hard to quit!!!! Newsflash: It isn’t hard to quit!!!! It’s hard to believe but that’s the truth. The physical abstinences of quitting smoking is minimal. The psychological part is just to unlearn what we have been told all our life that smoking does. Smoking does not relieve stress; it satisfies nicotine addiction. The stress relief is the placebo effect. The symptoms can feel is: - A kind of hunger feeling that can more or less easily be ignored. - Sleeping disorders - Perspiration None of them serious. Once you fully understand the reasons why you smoke and that it is easy to break free it’s not just easy. It’s enjoyable! The freedom to not need a smoke is wonderful. For those of you who have read this whole post, I’ve hope it might given you some more insight to the whole problem of smoking. If you are a smoker and want to quit, I’ll recommend to read Allen Carrs book EASYWAY Read it with an open mind, and it really helps. I have actually enjoyed quitting ever since I read it. 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Push 0 #78 January 13, 2004 Quotethe cost/benefit comparision is only something a person can decide for them selves...this applies to everything..drugs, alcohol, rich/fattening foods, and gasp even skydiving.. Strictly speaking that is true. However, with many cases the objective cost overwhelms the subjective benefit so much that this objection, while formally correct, becomes unreasonable. Quote"i enjoy it." I don't have a problem with smokers who admit that their "habit" that is so difficult to break is actually an addiction. But smokers who smoke regularly, know it's bad for them, agree that there is no overwhelming benefit, and justify their lack of attempts at quitting by any other means I do not agree with. Especially smokers who metaphorically plug their ears when someone tells them they should quit. "You have no right to tell me things" is not a valid argument. Smoking occasionally I'm ambiguous towards. It's not really harmful, so they don't really need to quit, but they shouldn't have started it in the first place. As to the people who smoke, I don't mind occasional smokers at all. Chronic smokers I will be friends with, but I will not stay around them when they're smoking and I will not be anything more than friends with a chronic smoker, addiction or not. C'est la vie. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyne 0 #79 January 13, 2004 Opinions are like assholes, we all have one and they all stink. Point STILL being: It's my right (and my choice) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #80 January 13, 2004 QuoteWe are tired of the mightier-than-thou self-righteous attitude. I think your knowledge that the people who encourage you to quit are right is contributing to you perceiving this as such an attitude. Let me repharse this. Can someone tell you to quit smoking in such a way as he will not have a "mightier-than-thou self-righteous attitude"? If not, then the attitude is in your head. QuoteArrogant fucks And don't call me names, either. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfrese 0 #81 January 13, 2004 Sorry, with nothing of real value to add to the debate, and with apologies to those who have very real health issues with smoking...for those of you who've read Tom Robbins, this thread is starting to remind me of this exchange from "Still Life with Woodpecker": Leigh-Cheri (smugly): "Kissing a smoker is like licking an ashtray"! The Woodpecker: "I've heard that. I've also heard that kissing a person who's self-righteous and intolerant is like licking a mongoose's ass". Sorry, back to your regular programming...Doctor I ain't gonna die, Just write me an alibi! ---- Lemmy/Slash Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyne 0 #82 January 13, 2004 Has it ever occured to you that we may be sick and tired of hearing it? Has it ever occured to you that we may have tried many times and not been able to? Has it ever ocurred to you that we may feel like you should mind your own business instead of ours? I'll be the first to admit I'm addicted to nicotine. I'll be the first to admit I've tried to quit, I'd even like to but its close to impossible. For some people its harder to quit smoking than hard drugs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyne 0 #83 January 13, 2004 QuoteSorry, with nothing of real value to add to the debate, and with apologies to those who have very real health issues with smoking...for those of you who've read Tom Robbins, this thread is starting to remind of this exchange from "Still Life with Woodpecker": Leigh-Cheri (smugly): "Kissing a smoker is like licking an ashtray"! The Woodpecker: "I've heard that. I've also heard that kissing a person who's self-righteous and intolerant is like licking a mongoose's ass". Sorry, back to your regular programming... LOL! I like that one! For some reason I feel it really belongs .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #84 January 13, 2004 I understand and agree. I do not walk around in life and tell people who smoke to quit smoking. I've only done it twice, first with my father (tried to get him to quit, didn't work), and second with my exgirlfriend (tried to tell her not to start, didn't work). Keep in mind that I spend a lot of time with both, and I'm asthmatic. This is a discussion on smoking. I've given my opinion. I haven't told anyone to quit. As long as I'm not explicitly speaking to you, you have as much a right to ignore me talking as I have a right to ignore you smoking. It's obvious that many smokers on this board are bitter, and no matter what I say I will incite a fight, so unless someone calls me an "arrogant fuck" again I'll stay away. Suffice to say that when I finally get to meet Lisa in person, I will be very happy to see her, smoking or not. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites zyne 0 #85 January 13, 2004 I can see your point considering the asthma. Do understand that (I'll just speak for myself on this) I personally would not knowingly smoke around someone with that problem. I've been asked by friends at the dz not to smoke around em and as a result I usually put it out when they are around. It's the "die smoker!!" attitude I can't stand and don't have anything left over for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #86 January 13, 2004 I've only met a handful of smokers that would deliberately blow smoke in my direction. They were all underage. Cheers, man. Except for personal attacks, I'm outta here. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #87 January 13, 2004 QuoteI've only met a handful of smokers that would deliberately blow smoke in my direction Fire extinguishers work well in that case. Where there is smoke.. there must be a fire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StearmanR985 0 #88 January 13, 2004 I smoke about 3 or 4 cigs a month (beer influenced at friends house full of smokers) Please don't tell my SO though. She really gets at me when I do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #89 January 13, 2004 oh so this was all encouragment??? bs i have had good friends encourage me to quit with out making me feel subhuman and i tell them that i really appreciate their concern. because thats actually what it is... a concern for my health. not just an overall hatred of the smoker. since you took personal offense because of my statement let me ask you...if you are not being self- righteous then what is your point?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GARYC24 3 #90 January 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteyour right. if you screw up smoking you burn yourself. if you screw up swooping.... Oh, come on. Smoking kills when you do it right. And if you do it wrong ?: ATTENTION SMOKERS AND FRIENDS OF SMOKERS Every smoker has done it; either you're distracted by a conversation you are having, you're driving and trying to keep an eye on the road, you're in a poorly lit bar, or you've simply had a few too many drinks in a well lit bar. However it happens, every smoker occasionally lights the wrong end of his or her cigarette, inhales one nasty lungfull of burning filter, curses, throws the now useless thing to the ground, and lights up a fresh smoke. It is unpleasant, annoying, and embarrassing . . . but scientists now believe inhaling the burning fumes from a cigarette filter can cause genital dysfunction in males and females. Cigarette filters contain a chemical known as tralfamadoraphyl that is generally harmless . . . unless it is burned and its fumes inhaled. Tralfamadoraphyl fumes build up in the body over time with each incorrectly lit cigarette, and eventually can restrict the flow of blood to the genitals of both sexes. It is estimated that if an individual were to incorrectly light one cigarette a month, it may take three or four years for the side effects to become recognizable. Cigarette manufacturers are not made to warn the smoking public of this threat to their health because, as one tobacco executive has stated, "If our product is used in the way it has been intended, this will not be a problem." So, it is up to us. Pass this along to all the smokers in your life, and to the nonsmokers who have friends and relatives who smoke. They will thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hmatousek 0 #91 January 13, 2004 I have smoked for some time now and I don't blame non-smokers for being irritated at my bad habit (a thing of the past as of two days ago). When I smoke I do go outside. Even at the bar in Eloy. I was told by the people around me that the smoke didn't bother them but it bothered me that I could be potentially harming others. Non smokers have every right to breath clean air. We all do. If I want to smoke I will but it is my responsibilty to be sure only I will be included in the consequences.Life doesn't have to be perfect in order to be beautiful! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #92 January 13, 2004 It's about time someone said it, "Women stop that smoking". At one time, women didn't smoke unless they were of relaxed morals. And while were at it, the voting was a bad idea too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoysPlayThing 0 #93 January 13, 2004 Yes, I agree... smoking is a thilfy discusting habit... and they are very nasty to put in your mouth, and to see girls with them in their mouths. ...But... ahem! ... I know of some guys that have had some pretty discusting things in their mouths, and I'm not talking about cigarettes! ... _______________________________________________ My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #94 January 13, 2004 ouch www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #95 January 13, 2004 Quotesince you took personal offense because of my statement let me ask you...if you are not being self- righteous then what is your point? My original post in this thread stated that I think smoking is a disgusting habit and that I am not attracted to girls that smoke. That was and is my point. Notice that this is not self-righteous because I have made no judgement on you or any other smoker, I expressed my personal preference. Read my posts carefully and you will not see any statement about anyone in this thread or any statement about the personalities of individual smokers. Do not put words in my mouth. Oh, wait, I get it. You don't like me saying that smoking is disgusting. You don't like me indirectly criticizing you for having a disgusting habit. And you consider this self-righteous. Well, that's just too bad. You don't have a right not to be criticized, but you do have a right to ignore it. You also don't have a right to call anyone names. And I still think that you see a self-rightousness in my words (even though you don't know me and can't hear me) because you know I'm right, and this bothers you. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoysPlayThing 0 #96 January 13, 2004 Quote My original post in this thread stated that I think smoking is a disgusting habit and that I am not attracted to girls that smoke. That was and is my point. Notice that this is not self-righteous because I have made no judgement on you or any other smoker, I expressed my personal preference. Read my posts carefully and you will not see any statement about anyone in this thread or any statement about the personalities of individual smokers. Do not put words in my mouth. Oh, wait, I get it. You don't like me saying that smoking is disgusting. You don't like me indirectly criticizing you for having a disgusting habit. And you consider this self-righteous. Well, that's just too bad. You don't have a right not to be criticized, but you do have a right to ignore it. You also don't have a right to call anyone names. ahem! ... Lets not have smoke coming out of our ears now! ...No Pun intended... Edited to say: Pun, Pun,... I meant to say "Pun"!...LOL_______________________________________________ My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gmanpilot 0 #97 January 13, 2004 QuoteIt's the "die smoker!!" attitude I can't stand and don't have anything left over for. I think I have found the true definition of Irony._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #98 January 13, 2004 points But he called me a bad word! bwaaaaaaaaaa! -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoysPlayThing 0 #99 January 13, 2004 Quote points But he called me a bad word! bwaaaaaaaaaa! Okay, I understand.. ... lol! _______________________________________________ My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fudd 0 #100 January 13, 2004 Lisa, your long post was really good, and in my opinion the first real serious post in this thread. I made one post earlier in this thread, but it was an angry post. Angry because I am sick of people feeding the evil anti-smoke agenda. Here is a longer and more well formed post. We always hear all the reasons we should quit smoking. It's bad for your health. It smells bad. It's expensive. There are a lot of good reasons to quit smoking. All smokers have already heard all these facts. Not a single one of them is good enough however to make a smoker quit. They aren't even good enough combined! If the were, then surely all smokers would have quit by now. Wouldn't they? We must not look for the reasons why we should quit smoking. We must look at the reasons why we smoke. Reasons can be: - It taste so good after a meal. - It relieves stress - It is social - It goes hand in hand with a beer The list can go on and on. Looking at the reasons we usually list when we try to explain why we smoke we can deduct that smoking gives us something. It gives us something that our life will be without if we quit. It feels like it is enriching our life. Smokers enjoy something non-smokers never will. Or….? Think about every situation you smoke, and why. Be honest. The only thing we really get out of a smoke is to satisfy the hunger for nicotine. Lisa is right! It’s a fucking addiction. The only thing the different situations and reasons give us is an excuse to satisfy our nicotine hunger. Not conscious, but sub-conscious. If you agree with me so far, you might agree that what we achieve by smoking is to satisfy the addiction so that we don’t feel the need for a smoke anymore. Maybe we even smoke another one straight away, so that it will take more time until we need one again. The only thing we accomplish by smoking is to get to the state we were before we started smoking. Try this for a motivation. By not smoking we will achieve the wonderful effect of having had a smoke permanently, without ever having to smoke again! (and without all the side effects of smoking.) Doesn’t sound to bad eh? Now, if it just hadn’t been so hard. Unfortunately we are bombarded with information all the time that quitting is really hard, and most probably we will fail. As smokers we are very receptive for this propaganda, and we let it brainwash us. It justifies why we can’t stop. Since we can’t stop we get a little nervous and stressed when someone warns us about the cancer risk. Now what must we do to relieve that stress??? What about a smoke? Yeah, fuck those self righteous bastards! Newsflash: It isn’t hard to quit!!!! Newsflash: It isn’t hard to quit!!!! Newsflash: It isn’t hard to quit!!!! It’s hard to believe but that’s the truth. The physical abstinences of quitting smoking is minimal. The psychological part is just to unlearn what we have been told all our life that smoking does. Smoking does not relieve stress; it satisfies nicotine addiction. The stress relief is the placebo effect. The symptoms can feel is: - A kind of hunger feeling that can more or less easily be ignored. - Sleeping disorders - Perspiration None of them serious. Once you fully understand the reasons why you smoke and that it is easy to break free it’s not just easy. It’s enjoyable! The freedom to not need a smoke is wonderful. For those of you who have read this whole post, I’ve hope it might given you some more insight to the whole problem of smoking. If you are a smoker and want to quit, I’ll recommend to read Allen Carrs book EASYWAY Read it with an open mind, and it really helps. I have actually enjoyed quitting ever since I read it. 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Push 0 #84 January 13, 2004 I understand and agree. I do not walk around in life and tell people who smoke to quit smoking. I've only done it twice, first with my father (tried to get him to quit, didn't work), and second with my exgirlfriend (tried to tell her not to start, didn't work). Keep in mind that I spend a lot of time with both, and I'm asthmatic. This is a discussion on smoking. I've given my opinion. I haven't told anyone to quit. As long as I'm not explicitly speaking to you, you have as much a right to ignore me talking as I have a right to ignore you smoking. It's obvious that many smokers on this board are bitter, and no matter what I say I will incite a fight, so unless someone calls me an "arrogant fuck" again I'll stay away. Suffice to say that when I finally get to meet Lisa in person, I will be very happy to see her, smoking or not. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyne 0 #85 January 13, 2004 I can see your point considering the asthma. Do understand that (I'll just speak for myself on this) I personally would not knowingly smoke around someone with that problem. I've been asked by friends at the dz not to smoke around em and as a result I usually put it out when they are around. It's the "die smoker!!" attitude I can't stand and don't have anything left over for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #86 January 13, 2004 I've only met a handful of smokers that would deliberately blow smoke in my direction. They were all underage. Cheers, man. Except for personal attacks, I'm outta here. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #87 January 13, 2004 QuoteI've only met a handful of smokers that would deliberately blow smoke in my direction Fire extinguishers work well in that case. Where there is smoke.. there must be a fire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StearmanR985 0 #88 January 13, 2004 I smoke about 3 or 4 cigs a month (beer influenced at friends house full of smokers) Please don't tell my SO though. She really gets at me when I do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #89 January 13, 2004 oh so this was all encouragment??? bs i have had good friends encourage me to quit with out making me feel subhuman and i tell them that i really appreciate their concern. because thats actually what it is... a concern for my health. not just an overall hatred of the smoker. since you took personal offense because of my statement let me ask you...if you are not being self- righteous then what is your point?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GARYC24 3 #90 January 13, 2004 QuoteQuoteyour right. if you screw up smoking you burn yourself. if you screw up swooping.... Oh, come on. Smoking kills when you do it right. And if you do it wrong ?: ATTENTION SMOKERS AND FRIENDS OF SMOKERS Every smoker has done it; either you're distracted by a conversation you are having, you're driving and trying to keep an eye on the road, you're in a poorly lit bar, or you've simply had a few too many drinks in a well lit bar. However it happens, every smoker occasionally lights the wrong end of his or her cigarette, inhales one nasty lungfull of burning filter, curses, throws the now useless thing to the ground, and lights up a fresh smoke. It is unpleasant, annoying, and embarrassing . . . but scientists now believe inhaling the burning fumes from a cigarette filter can cause genital dysfunction in males and females. Cigarette filters contain a chemical known as tralfamadoraphyl that is generally harmless . . . unless it is burned and its fumes inhaled. Tralfamadoraphyl fumes build up in the body over time with each incorrectly lit cigarette, and eventually can restrict the flow of blood to the genitals of both sexes. It is estimated that if an individual were to incorrectly light one cigarette a month, it may take three or four years for the side effects to become recognizable. Cigarette manufacturers are not made to warn the smoking public of this threat to their health because, as one tobacco executive has stated, "If our product is used in the way it has been intended, this will not be a problem." So, it is up to us. Pass this along to all the smokers in your life, and to the nonsmokers who have friends and relatives who smoke. They will thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hmatousek 0 #91 January 13, 2004 I have smoked for some time now and I don't blame non-smokers for being irritated at my bad habit (a thing of the past as of two days ago). When I smoke I do go outside. Even at the bar in Eloy. I was told by the people around me that the smoke didn't bother them but it bothered me that I could be potentially harming others. Non smokers have every right to breath clean air. We all do. If I want to smoke I will but it is my responsibilty to be sure only I will be included in the consequences.Life doesn't have to be perfect in order to be beautiful! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #92 January 13, 2004 It's about time someone said it, "Women stop that smoking". At one time, women didn't smoke unless they were of relaxed morals. And while were at it, the voting was a bad idea too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoysPlayThing 0 #93 January 13, 2004 Yes, I agree... smoking is a thilfy discusting habit... and they are very nasty to put in your mouth, and to see girls with them in their mouths. ...But... ahem! ... I know of some guys that have had some pretty discusting things in their mouths, and I'm not talking about cigarettes! ... _______________________________________________ My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #94 January 13, 2004 ouch www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #95 January 13, 2004 Quotesince you took personal offense because of my statement let me ask you...if you are not being self- righteous then what is your point? My original post in this thread stated that I think smoking is a disgusting habit and that I am not attracted to girls that smoke. That was and is my point. Notice that this is not self-righteous because I have made no judgement on you or any other smoker, I expressed my personal preference. Read my posts carefully and you will not see any statement about anyone in this thread or any statement about the personalities of individual smokers. Do not put words in my mouth. Oh, wait, I get it. You don't like me saying that smoking is disgusting. You don't like me indirectly criticizing you for having a disgusting habit. And you consider this self-righteous. Well, that's just too bad. You don't have a right not to be criticized, but you do have a right to ignore it. You also don't have a right to call anyone names. And I still think that you see a self-rightousness in my words (even though you don't know me and can't hear me) because you know I'm right, and this bothers you. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoysPlayThing 0 #96 January 13, 2004 Quote My original post in this thread stated that I think smoking is a disgusting habit and that I am not attracted to girls that smoke. That was and is my point. Notice that this is not self-righteous because I have made no judgement on you or any other smoker, I expressed my personal preference. Read my posts carefully and you will not see any statement about anyone in this thread or any statement about the personalities of individual smokers. Do not put words in my mouth. Oh, wait, I get it. You don't like me saying that smoking is disgusting. You don't like me indirectly criticizing you for having a disgusting habit. And you consider this self-righteous. Well, that's just too bad. You don't have a right not to be criticized, but you do have a right to ignore it. You also don't have a right to call anyone names. ahem! ... Lets not have smoke coming out of our ears now! ...No Pun intended... Edited to say: Pun, Pun,... I meant to say "Pun"!...LOL_______________________________________________ My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #97 January 13, 2004 QuoteIt's the "die smoker!!" attitude I can't stand and don't have anything left over for. I think I have found the true definition of Irony._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #98 January 13, 2004 points But he called me a bad word! bwaaaaaaaaaa! -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoysPlayThing 0 #99 January 13, 2004 Quote points But he called me a bad word! bwaaaaaaaaaa! Okay, I understand.. ... lol! _______________________________________________ My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #100 January 13, 2004 Lisa, your long post was really good, and in my opinion the first real serious post in this thread. I made one post earlier in this thread, but it was an angry post. Angry because I am sick of people feeding the evil anti-smoke agenda. Here is a longer and more well formed post. We always hear all the reasons we should quit smoking. It's bad for your health. It smells bad. It's expensive. There are a lot of good reasons to quit smoking. All smokers have already heard all these facts. Not a single one of them is good enough however to make a smoker quit. They aren't even good enough combined! If the were, then surely all smokers would have quit by now. Wouldn't they? We must not look for the reasons why we should quit smoking. We must look at the reasons why we smoke. Reasons can be: - It taste so good after a meal. - It relieves stress - It is social - It goes hand in hand with a beer The list can go on and on. Looking at the reasons we usually list when we try to explain why we smoke we can deduct that smoking gives us something. It gives us something that our life will be without if we quit. It feels like it is enriching our life. Smokers enjoy something non-smokers never will. Or….? Think about every situation you smoke, and why. Be honest. The only thing we really get out of a smoke is to satisfy the hunger for nicotine. Lisa is right! It’s a fucking addiction. The only thing the different situations and reasons give us is an excuse to satisfy our nicotine hunger. Not conscious, but sub-conscious. If you agree with me so far, you might agree that what we achieve by smoking is to satisfy the addiction so that we don’t feel the need for a smoke anymore. Maybe we even smoke another one straight away, so that it will take more time until we need one again. The only thing we accomplish by smoking is to get to the state we were before we started smoking. Try this for a motivation. By not smoking we will achieve the wonderful effect of having had a smoke permanently, without ever having to smoke again! (and without all the side effects of smoking.) Doesn’t sound to bad eh? Now, if it just hadn’t been so hard. Unfortunately we are bombarded with information all the time that quitting is really hard, and most probably we will fail. As smokers we are very receptive for this propaganda, and we let it brainwash us. It justifies why we can’t stop. Since we can’t stop we get a little nervous and stressed when someone warns us about the cancer risk. Now what must we do to relieve that stress??? What about a smoke? Yeah, fuck those self righteous bastards! Newsflash: It isn’t hard to quit!!!! Newsflash: It isn’t hard to quit!!!! Newsflash: It isn’t hard to quit!!!! It’s hard to believe but that’s the truth. The physical abstinences of quitting smoking is minimal. The psychological part is just to unlearn what we have been told all our life that smoking does. Smoking does not relieve stress; it satisfies nicotine addiction. The stress relief is the placebo effect. The symptoms can feel is: - A kind of hunger feeling that can more or less easily be ignored. - Sleeping disorders - Perspiration None of them serious. Once you fully understand the reasons why you smoke and that it is easy to break free it’s not just easy. It’s enjoyable! The freedom to not need a smoke is wonderful. For those of you who have read this whole post, I’ve hope it might given you some more insight to the whole problem of smoking. If you are a smoker and want to quit, I’ll recommend to read Allen Carrs book EASYWAY Read it with an open mind, and it really helps. I have actually enjoyed quitting ever since I read it. There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
