jumpwally 0 #51 December 18, 2003 Hey anybody seem to know how that Fark thing works?,,i followed the instructions,,but its a maddening loop of links,,do you have to join?,,jusst want a peek at Tanja...;-)smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dove 0 #52 December 18, 2003 Why thank you! I got a few complaints after removing the last hiney pic so I thought I'd put up this festive pic for a limited time only. Fall in dove. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #53 December 18, 2003 Damn -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #54 December 18, 2003 QuoteThere's a little green mistletoe right at the "V" in front. Hehe. And what do I have to do to kiss under the mistletoe? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #55 December 18, 2003 QuoteHell, if I looked like that and someone offered me a crapload of money to pose nude I'd do it in a millisecond! We are talking some SERIOUS jump money here! Will ya take a check? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveNFlorida 0 #56 December 18, 2003 I don't want to argue about this. It is just my opinion. It is degrading to sell yourself. Maybe no one else feels like this is selling ones self, but I do. I'm all for nakedness... just not for profit. I think it really lowers and degrades to put a price tag on it. Again, jmo, you don't have to agree. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #57 December 18, 2003 QuoteI'm all for nakedness... At least we agree on something. Wanna get naked sometime? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dove 0 #58 December 18, 2003 Wow. So you don't like to look at nakie pictures or watch porn EVER? The human body is beautiful. People pay to get into art galleries and to see broadway plays. Photography is art too. Fall in dove. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveNFlorida 0 #59 December 18, 2003 Good point, Dove. Photagraphy is art. I have just always found porn and naked pic mags to be distasteful. I have an oil painting of a naked woman in my home. I think it is quite beautiful and tasteful. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TangBu 1 #60 December 18, 2003 So what would you have her do for a living, sell life insurance? She can't ignore her looks, because no one will let her, so she'd might as well go with the flow. Maybe you prefer the more traditional ways of cashing in on beauty, such as movies, or lip-synching to someone else's music, a la Britney Spears?...Blair. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FLsurfer 0 #61 December 18, 2003 Wow, what I would do to get caught under that mistletoe! I don't know which pic I like better, this one or the one in black lace. Both are extremely sexy! Problems just be opportunities in der workin' clothes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveNFlorida 0 #62 December 18, 2003 QuoteSo what would you have her do for a living, sell life insurance? She can't ignore her looks, because no one will let her, so she'd might as well go with the flow. Maybe you prefer the more traditional ways of cashing in on beauty, such as movies, or lip-synching to someone else's music, a la Britney Spears? Whatever, man. I consider myself good looking, but I don't cash in on it by stripping for a living... I work, I go to school... I get complimented by guys, just like most girls do, but I prefer to cash in on my other qualities, such as my brain. Just because someone is beautiful doesn't mean that's all they are. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #63 December 18, 2003 I don't even own a pornograph. All my stuff is on CDs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VanillaSkyGirl 6 #64 December 18, 2003 QuoteSo what would you have her do for a living, sell life insurance? She can't ignore her looks, because no one will let her, so she'd might as well go with the flow. Not true. Personally, I do not think that I am sooo beautiful, like Tanja, but I, too, HAVE been offered a "crapload" of money to pose for men's calendars, magazines and/or to be a spokesmodel, etc. (They weren't necessarily nude pics, but some would have definitely been "sexy".) I have NEVER accepted these offers, nor have I ever been interested in making money this way as I have been approached while minding my own business in Kinko's, gas stations, magazine stands, etc. In my opinion, my mind is worth much more than my body. Yet, I also think that if Tanja or any other woman wants to make her money that way, then that is her choice. The truth is that many men would not feel too happy if their mothers, sisters or daughters were posing with legs spread in suggestive poses for masturbating men. The mere thought of men getting off on your mother's, sister's, daughter's sexuality is potentially upsetting. Isn't it? On the other hand, I WOULD pose nude for a truly artistic black/white photograph or painting/drawing, etc. I SHOULD have agreed a few years back to pose for a very talented photographer, who met me when I was a costume designer on a film set. He called me to take the place of one of his models. I was speechless, and I was too shy to accept. The photograph was to be of 3 female nudes' (I would be one) torsos/curves lying down with body paint to blend into the background of mountains/sand. What a beautiful concept! I had a much better body back then, but I was too chicken to be nude on a set. Since this was a sensual (not sexual) picture, I would have felt beautiful, not degraded by it. Also, several of my friends/acquaintances have posed for an all nude rock climbing calendar called STONE NUDES. I stopped climbing in early '99, long before these pictures were taken, but I would probably have been asked to pose and perhaps accepted if I was still climbing today. I am a big fan of these calendars. They are totally beautiful pictures. Personally, I am still very shy about my own public nudity, yet I have no problem with other people's nudity as I paint & draw nudes myself. Everyone's opinions of what is acceptable nudity for themselves, and what is pornography or degrading differ greatly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #65 December 18, 2003 QuoteI don't want to argue about this. It is just my opinion. It is degrading to sell yourself. Again, jmo, you don't have to agree. Angela. QuoteGood point, Dove. Photagraphy is art. I have just always found porn and naked pic mags to be distasteful. This is not an argument, I completely respect your point of view as to why you would not choose to do this. I am however confused as to how you can say that it is degrading for HER, unless you have actually spoken to her and garnered her opinion , then you can not say it's degrading for her. As to being "distastefull", well that's a whole different topic, taste is a very individual thing what you fnd distastfull other may find beautiful. Robert Maplethorpe is a clasic example of the debate between art and so called ponography. Also why is it that the absense of colour dictates what is considered art? A nude black and white is no more art than a colour image of the same subject. Photography was my main passionate hobbie b4 skydiving and it never ceases to amaze me the way people judge it but whether or not someone used monochromatic film.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #66 December 18, 2003 QuoteIt is degrading to sell yourself. Maybe no one else feels like this is selling ones self, but I do. you 'sell yourself' to your employer everyday. Do you find your work degrading? the human body is a thing of beauty, and beauty should be shared particularly the physical kind that is so fleeting for us all... if you havent looked at the photos linked you dont have a basis for an opinion, none are even remotely pornographic, but even if they were its all up to the individual and if they feel they are being adequately compesated for whatever it is they do just dont pretend you arent selling yourself everyday...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Girlfalldown 0 #67 December 18, 2003 Don't we all sell ourselves in one way or another? It's our bodies for show or our bodies for work. Is it really that different? It comes down to ability or ability to fill a space. Why not profit from beauty? -------------- (Do not, I repeat DO NOT, take my posts seriously.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #68 December 18, 2003 Not to mention that even painters need models and nude models are getting payed to be painted. So for the sitting you may not be selling yourself but you're certainly charging a hire feeYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #69 December 18, 2003 Quoteyou 'sell yourself' to your employer everyday. Do you find your work degrading? OUch.. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VanillaSkyGirl 6 #70 December 18, 2003 Quotejust dont pretend you arent selling yourself everyday... Yuck. Speak for yourself. I decided not to work for a while. I'm just having fun...and I don't get paid to post. Honestly, if that's how you feel about your work, maybe you should get another job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #71 December 18, 2003 good for you, but it doesnt change anything..everything in life is a transaction, you 'sell yourself' in one way or another to everything you do, you trade something to get something else, its the basic nature of civilization, even if you chose to live in a cave on a mountain all by yourself you are still 'selling' something for another commodity you find more useful. 'degraded' is something you feel personally, no one can feel it for you and you cannot feel it for someone else.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #72 December 18, 2003 > It is degrading to sell yourself. Only for nude pictures, or any pictures that show skin? In one of the odder episodes of my life, a nude jump I once did ended up on a Playboy Channel porn. I never got paid for it. The photographer threatened them with lawsuits etc but nothing came of it. Which was too bad - I would have settled for $5, just so I could have framed it or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VanillaSkyGirl 6 #73 December 18, 2003 QuoteI would have settled for $5, just so I could have framed it or something. LMAO!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #74 December 18, 2003 QuoteI would have settled for $5, just so I could have framed it or something. I can imagine the discussions.. "Yeah, that the cheque I got from Playboy for posing nude on their TV channel" "yeah, that right, five bucks" (its more then I could make unless they pay by the pound! lol)Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #75 December 18, 2003 QuoteQuoteI would have settled for $5, just so I could have framed it or something. LMAO!!! I've never thought of framing IT before. 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SkydiveNFlorida 0 #56 December 18, 2003 I don't want to argue about this. It is just my opinion. It is degrading to sell yourself. Maybe no one else feels like this is selling ones self, but I do. I'm all for nakedness... just not for profit. I think it really lowers and degrades to put a price tag on it. Again, jmo, you don't have to agree. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #57 December 18, 2003 QuoteI'm all for nakedness... At least we agree on something. Wanna get naked sometime? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dove 0 #58 December 18, 2003 Wow. So you don't like to look at nakie pictures or watch porn EVER? The human body is beautiful. People pay to get into art galleries and to see broadway plays. Photography is art too. Fall in dove. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #59 December 18, 2003 Good point, Dove. Photagraphy is art. I have just always found porn and naked pic mags to be distasteful. I have an oil painting of a naked woman in my home. I think it is quite beautiful and tasteful. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TangBu 1 #60 December 18, 2003 So what would you have her do for a living, sell life insurance? She can't ignore her looks, because no one will let her, so she'd might as well go with the flow. Maybe you prefer the more traditional ways of cashing in on beauty, such as movies, or lip-synching to someone else's music, a la Britney Spears?...Blair. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLsurfer 0 #61 December 18, 2003 Wow, what I would do to get caught under that mistletoe! I don't know which pic I like better, this one or the one in black lace. Both are extremely sexy! Problems just be opportunities in der workin' clothes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #62 December 18, 2003 QuoteSo what would you have her do for a living, sell life insurance? She can't ignore her looks, because no one will let her, so she'd might as well go with the flow. Maybe you prefer the more traditional ways of cashing in on beauty, such as movies, or lip-synching to someone else's music, a la Britney Spears? Whatever, man. I consider myself good looking, but I don't cash in on it by stripping for a living... I work, I go to school... I get complimented by guys, just like most girls do, but I prefer to cash in on my other qualities, such as my brain. Just because someone is beautiful doesn't mean that's all they are. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #63 December 18, 2003 I don't even own a pornograph. All my stuff is on CDs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #64 December 18, 2003 QuoteSo what would you have her do for a living, sell life insurance? She can't ignore her looks, because no one will let her, so she'd might as well go with the flow. Not true. Personally, I do not think that I am sooo beautiful, like Tanja, but I, too, HAVE been offered a "crapload" of money to pose for men's calendars, magazines and/or to be a spokesmodel, etc. (They weren't necessarily nude pics, but some would have definitely been "sexy".) I have NEVER accepted these offers, nor have I ever been interested in making money this way as I have been approached while minding my own business in Kinko's, gas stations, magazine stands, etc. In my opinion, my mind is worth much more than my body. Yet, I also think that if Tanja or any other woman wants to make her money that way, then that is her choice. The truth is that many men would not feel too happy if their mothers, sisters or daughters were posing with legs spread in suggestive poses for masturbating men. The mere thought of men getting off on your mother's, sister's, daughter's sexuality is potentially upsetting. Isn't it? On the other hand, I WOULD pose nude for a truly artistic black/white photograph or painting/drawing, etc. I SHOULD have agreed a few years back to pose for a very talented photographer, who met me when I was a costume designer on a film set. He called me to take the place of one of his models. I was speechless, and I was too shy to accept. The photograph was to be of 3 female nudes' (I would be one) torsos/curves lying down with body paint to blend into the background of mountains/sand. What a beautiful concept! I had a much better body back then, but I was too chicken to be nude on a set. Since this was a sensual (not sexual) picture, I would have felt beautiful, not degraded by it. Also, several of my friends/acquaintances have posed for an all nude rock climbing calendar called STONE NUDES. I stopped climbing in early '99, long before these pictures were taken, but I would probably have been asked to pose and perhaps accepted if I was still climbing today. I am a big fan of these calendars. They are totally beautiful pictures. Personally, I am still very shy about my own public nudity, yet I have no problem with other people's nudity as I paint & draw nudes myself. Everyone's opinions of what is acceptable nudity for themselves, and what is pornography or degrading differ greatly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #65 December 18, 2003 QuoteI don't want to argue about this. It is just my opinion. It is degrading to sell yourself. Again, jmo, you don't have to agree. Angela. QuoteGood point, Dove. Photagraphy is art. I have just always found porn and naked pic mags to be distasteful. This is not an argument, I completely respect your point of view as to why you would not choose to do this. I am however confused as to how you can say that it is degrading for HER, unless you have actually spoken to her and garnered her opinion , then you can not say it's degrading for her. As to being "distastefull", well that's a whole different topic, taste is a very individual thing what you fnd distastfull other may find beautiful. Robert Maplethorpe is a clasic example of the debate between art and so called ponography. Also why is it that the absense of colour dictates what is considered art? A nude black and white is no more art than a colour image of the same subject. Photography was my main passionate hobbie b4 skydiving and it never ceases to amaze me the way people judge it but whether or not someone used monochromatic film.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #66 December 18, 2003 QuoteIt is degrading to sell yourself. Maybe no one else feels like this is selling ones self, but I do. you 'sell yourself' to your employer everyday. Do you find your work degrading? the human body is a thing of beauty, and beauty should be shared particularly the physical kind that is so fleeting for us all... if you havent looked at the photos linked you dont have a basis for an opinion, none are even remotely pornographic, but even if they were its all up to the individual and if they feel they are being adequately compesated for whatever it is they do just dont pretend you arent selling yourself everyday...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Girlfalldown 0 #67 December 18, 2003 Don't we all sell ourselves in one way or another? It's our bodies for show or our bodies for work. Is it really that different? It comes down to ability or ability to fill a space. Why not profit from beauty? -------------- (Do not, I repeat DO NOT, take my posts seriously.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #68 December 18, 2003 Not to mention that even painters need models and nude models are getting payed to be painted. So for the sitting you may not be selling yourself but you're certainly charging a hire feeYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #69 December 18, 2003 Quoteyou 'sell yourself' to your employer everyday. Do you find your work degrading? OUch.. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #70 December 18, 2003 Quotejust dont pretend you arent selling yourself everyday... Yuck. Speak for yourself. I decided not to work for a while. I'm just having fun...and I don't get paid to post. Honestly, if that's how you feel about your work, maybe you should get another job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #71 December 18, 2003 good for you, but it doesnt change anything..everything in life is a transaction, you 'sell yourself' in one way or another to everything you do, you trade something to get something else, its the basic nature of civilization, even if you chose to live in a cave on a mountain all by yourself you are still 'selling' something for another commodity you find more useful. 'degraded' is something you feel personally, no one can feel it for you and you cannot feel it for someone else.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #72 December 18, 2003 > It is degrading to sell yourself. Only for nude pictures, or any pictures that show skin? In one of the odder episodes of my life, a nude jump I once did ended up on a Playboy Channel porn. I never got paid for it. The photographer threatened them with lawsuits etc but nothing came of it. Which was too bad - I would have settled for $5, just so I could have framed it or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #73 December 18, 2003 QuoteI would have settled for $5, just so I could have framed it or something. LMAO!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #74 December 18, 2003 QuoteI would have settled for $5, just so I could have framed it or something. I can imagine the discussions.. "Yeah, that the cheque I got from Playboy for posing nude on their TV channel" "yeah, that right, five bucks" (its more then I could make unless they pay by the pound! lol)Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #75 December 18, 2003 QuoteQuoteI would have settled for $5, just so I could have framed it or something. LMAO!!! I've never thought of framing IT before. Although would be a conversation piece when the pants come off. If I was going to frame IT, though, I'd spend more than $5 on the frame. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Remster 30 #74 December 18, 2003 QuoteI would have settled for $5, just so I could have framed it or something. I can imagine the discussions.. "Yeah, that the cheque I got from Playboy for posing nude on their TV channel" "yeah, that right, five bucks" (its more then I could make unless they pay by the pound! lol)Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #75 December 18, 2003 QuoteQuoteI would have settled for $5, just so I could have framed it or something. LMAO!!! I've never thought of framing IT before. Although would be a conversation piece when the pants come off. If I was going to frame IT, though, I'd spend more than $5 on the frame. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
