What would you do: Sex offender and your child

[BethUK 0]

Ok yeah, thats a good point...I was just pointing out that the boy was technically with a relative, although I guess there is a possibility that the relative was not to be trusted either. Hmm kinda makes the world a sad place

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[fasterfaller 0]

They should give this guy a medal and a new ax handle to replace the one he got dirty .

[sdgregory 0]

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Ok yeah, thats a good point...I was just pointing out that the boy was technically with a relative, although I guess there is a possibility that the relative was not to be trusted either. Hmm kinda makes the world a sad place

Yes it is sad. It breaks my heart that people do these things to kids. It tears me up even more whn I learn that parents or relatives do this to a child of their own.

I cannot even fathom what goes through a persons mind . . .

[caress 0]

I agree with you Sean, you know that. Just because I am thinking about things that were said does not imply that I am weak in my stance on the matter at all, and I gasped at that statement about being fiercly violent about people who would harm my kids means I am an abuser myself to my family?CODSWHALUP!-Caress

I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being
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[Amazon 7]

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And as far as from your personal experience, how many men who would violently protect their families have you known that you can lay a blanket statement on them like that?

I guess it would have to do with a step-father who would be violent when drunk.. and abusive to my mother and to hit her over the head with a wine bottle.. or to later molest me. Or the cousin who loved his family so much he could abuse his daughters as they reached a certain age... or the THOUSANDS of domestic abuse reports that police respond to on a yearly basis. Its not tolerated now as it was in the 50's when I was growing up and personally in that situation. Someone who is violent is more than likely to be that way with those he "loves" as well as toward those he deems a threat to his family.

[wmw999 2,515]

The time to defend your family with violence is when the violence is current and the danger is imminent.

It's not defending your family, it's revenge, when you go back later. I'm not going to necessarily judge when violent revenge is right (I'd most likely hold OBL down so someone could shoot him if I didn't think he could be brought to justice). But it's not defending your family when the incident is over and you're going back. And, by and large, I'd rather let the system take over on revenge.

If I knew for sure that someone was guilty of something like that, and that they were unlikely to be convicted, then first I'd move to protect myself and my family, and then I'd publish all of the evidence and eyewitness stories necessary to really trash their reputation. My sue-ability is unimportant as compared with protecting others and my family against someone like that.

And I hope I never, ever, have to find out first hand.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[sdgregory 0]

Amazon as appaulling as all of that is, that means that any man who would violently defend his family from this kind of abuse is by nature a violent man and therefore violent with his family? No you are wrong there.

What you have gone through sickens me but do not make the mistake of putting those of us who would violently defend our families into the same category just because we would use violence to defend.

That is not fair to those of us who would NEVER do such things as you describe.

I would never and have never been violent with my family and yet I would without question use violence to protect my family just as I used violence to protect my country as a Marine.

You must see the difference here. Even if you do not agree with my methods you must see that there is a difference between the two types of people we describe.


And more importantly those men you describe are not PROTECTING their families, they are protecting their turf and saying that noone can abuse their families but them. Big difference.

[billvon 3,059]

>For now I will stand by my decisions as posted.

Fair enough. Let's hope neither one of us is ever in a position to have to make such a decision.

[sdgregory 0]

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>For now I will stand by my decisions as posted.

Fair enough. Let's hope neither one of us is ever in a position to have to make such a decision.

God let's hope none of us ever have to make this decision. It truly is the only fear I have.

My most fervent prayer : "God, please allow no person to harm my family. It is the worste pain I can imagine and I have not the strength to hold back my anger."

Sorry guys this thread is getting to me and so I think I am done. I made my point whether you agree or not but I really prefer not to think about this. It happens too much in the world.

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[Dagny 0]

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there is a possibility that the relative was not to be trusted either.

Trust no one.

Sexual offenders are the most despicable, cowardly people. The emotions that surface just in reading this post remind me of my hatred to anyone who would abuse a child, abuse their authority as an adult, and destroy the mind of a child.

If it were my child, it would take a great deal of restraint not to kill the offender. I'm not sure I have the restraint, to be completely honest. Maybe what I'm feeling is just an impotent kind of frustration, dreams of revenge, rather than an actual course of action. Knowing myself, I would probably rely on the police to handle the situation. But, I would NOT be satisfied with the possibility of a sexual offender being mistreated in prison. I'd rather see him dead.

I couldn't say for sure how I would respond to the molestation of my own child. First and foremost, however, I would NEVER allow my child to stay somewhere unless I felt comfortable with the location/people. And, yet...relatives are frequently the abusers, now, aren't they? That makes it so much worse, too.

Sexual abuse is the most underreported crime I've ever encountered. I know more women that have dealt with years of abuse and never said a word. It just sits in the back of your head, festering, eating at you, breaking you down. Always in the back of your mind, no matter how far you push it away, no matter how deep you hide it. It's like a scar on your psyche. Sure, you can grow up to be a perfectly functioning adult with a perfectly normal sense of self-worth and healthy mental outlook. But, it pisses me off that ANYONE would violate another person in such a way and cause them to struggle through recovery. I have a friend who still suffers from nightmares from abuse she suffered. She's in her 30's now, too.

Another thing that pisses me off....these pitiful excuses for humans are so infrequently identified and prosecuted that they are able to live normal lives completely unaffected by their actions. If they are family, they might even be a part of the abused person's life serving as a constant reminder of what occurred.

Perhaps the abused will recover mentally, perhaps they will always blame themselves. I've seen so many people who continue to suffer from sexual abuse as a child well into adulthood that it makes me want to cry.

I don't have children. Maybe one day I will. And god help anyone who takes such liberties with my babies. And god help me, too, because I don't know exactly what I would do.

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[AndyMan 7]

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Let's hope neither one of us is ever in a position to have to make such a decision.

Indeed. I would much rather people spend time ensuring that such events do not happen to their family, than plot what kind of revenge to take if tragedy does in fact strike.

_Am

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[Luv2Fall 0]

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Amazon as appaulling as all of that is, that means that any man who would violently defend his family from this kind of abuse is by nature a violent man and therefore violent with his family? No you are wrong there.

What you have gone through sickens me but do not make the mistake of putting those of us who would violently defend our families into the same category just because we would use violence to defend.

That is not fair to those of us who would NEVER do such things as you describe.

I would never and have never been violent with my family and yet I would without question use violence to protect my family just as I used violence to protect my country as a Marine.

You must see the difference here. Even if you do not agree with my methods you must see that there is a difference between the two types of people we describe.


And more importantly those men you describe are not PROTECTING their families, they are protecting their turf and saying that noone can abuse their families but them. Big difference.

I agree with you, Brother.........huge difference and my wife of nearly 18 years agree also.

[hawkflight 0]

I agree with Robert just because a man would use violence to protect his family does not make him a Violent man......to say the two are one in the same is stupid. Having said that I personally would never ever hurt my family . my job is to protect them at all costs including losing my life in defense of them ...that is animal instinct and just like a bear protecting it's cubs ....my role as a father is to do the same.....I have 4 daughters and would kill or die for them in a second .......but I'd rather poke my own eyes out before i'd even spank them....and if some fool touched them in an inapproriate way
dead done see ya fuck you dead.......period

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"Any fool can learn for his own mistakes, a wise man learns from anothers." Mark Twain

[billvon 3,059]

>I agree with Robert just because a man would use violence to
>protect his family does not make him a Violent man......

I agree there too; I'd use whatever I had at my disposal to stop anyone attacking my family. But to chase the guy, kidnap him and kill him? (which is what several people suggested) That doesn't even fall into the same category as defending your family.

[Amazon 7]

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But to chase the guy, kidnap him and kill him? (which is what several people suggested) That doesn't even fall into the same category as defending your family.

I have a very simple one strike and you are out philosphy in my life. Violence of that sort is something I do my very best to avoid. It runs very deep thru my soul to stay away from anyone with violent tendencies. Protecting your family from an immediat threat is one thing but revenge for something they may have done is a far different animal. That sort of vengeance is reserved by a certain high power. I will ALWAYS defer to that judgement.

[lawrocket 3]

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Sorry bud that just isn't enough punishment! I need to know in my heart that they suffered with harsh fury!-Caress

You say that as though they really give a rat's ass about anyone else's feelings...

A point such as yours would be lost on them.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[caress 0]

I'm sorry Lawrocket, are you trying to tell me that a child molester does not know what he is doing is wrong? If anybody molested my children I would come down on them with furious anger, and believe me I would let them know what I was angry about.-Caress

I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being
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[andrewstewart 0]

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I'm gonna try to kill the scumbag, period

Shooting... killing... you love it.

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[andrewstewart 0]

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Call me archaic, call me barbaric, call me a chest pounding testosterone filled animal. I could care less. But do not mistake a man's desire to vehemently and violently protect his family for anything other than that.

Protection is one thing, but most people here are talking about retribution, i.e. revenge.

[lawrocket 3]

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I'm sorry Lawrocket, are you trying to tell me that a child molester does not know what he is doing is wrong? If anybody molested my children I would come down on them with furious anger, and believe me I would let them know what I was angry about.-Caress

I'm saying they know it is wrong and do it anyway.

Do you think they really care about anything other than themselves? I don't. You could let them know what you are angry about. They would not care.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[jumpinfarmer 0]

I'm not a father, don't even have a girl friend now. However someday I hope to have a family and god help who would ever harm them. For that matter who ever would harm my parents, grandperants, aunts, uncles, cousins. I live on a farm, and have three sheds full of equipment that could painfully dismember the human body. I think I could dispose of the remnants quietly and still have a clean consiance.
Human scum like that should be used to test the safty of dangerous machines.

[andrewstewart 0]

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I live on a farm, and have three sheds full of equipment that could painfully dismember the human body. I think I could dispose of the remnants quietly and still have a clean consiance.
Human scum like that should be used to test the safty of dangerous machines.

What does all this vitriolic machismo that people have been espousing actually achieve? I can't help but feel that it's all just a violent, hypocritical and ultimately futile exercise in supposed moral one-upmanship.

When people talk about tracking down abusers and then torturing and killing them, they are behaving in a "worse" way (in the strict definition of the law) than the people who they themselves see as abhorrent. Just like the people they despise, they are letting what's inside their head control their body in a way that violates the law. They are basically fantasizing about being both a criminal and a sociopath.

[caress 0]

Are you sure about that? I am done with this. I've had enough. I have let everyone know where my head is on the subject. I will devote no more energy to this debate.-Caress

I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being
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[usedtajump 1]

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As a potential future father, I don't think It'd be appropriate to have my kids spending the night in half-way houses with known child molesters.

_Am

Yep Andyman, you hit the nail on the head. WTF was the kid doing in a halfway house at 0200 with known sex offenders around??

Maybe the parents/gaurdian should bear a lot of responsibility in this incident and share in the "niceities" of an extended prison sentence.

By the way, can anyone explain to me the sexual attraction of a young child????? Goddamn anyone who messes with kids!!!!

The older I get the less I care who I piss off.

[vonSanta 0]

Yep.

Retribution and revenge are way different from immediate protection of loved ones.

And I must say I wonder a bit about the mental state of some people who almost jump with glee and brag about the hideous things they want to do to a human - if some criteria are met.

To me, it's simple. If I can control myself - let the law handle it. If I cannot - kill the offending person, but do it cleanly and without leaving much trace. A hunting rifle is very accurate - it'd be a small task to kill the dude as he walks outta court a free man on a technicality.

But why the need to be savage - and why the oh so irrational "protection by torture" arguments? It'll only mess up your own psyche (not many people can go through that unchanged) and your kids (seeing Daddy being Bubba's Bitch will do them little good).

If it has to be done, be smart and effective.

"B-b-b-b-but he did those *horrible things* to the children!"

Yeah. He's dead now because of it. Think he'll do it again? Mission accomplished. We failed to protect our loved ones, but we've helped protect others. Maybe. If the guy was guilty. Which we don't know yet. But burn the witch, because sorcery is such a horrible crime that we do not need a trial!

Think he'll 'not do it again, only he'll not do it to a higher degree' because you torture him before you shoot 'im? A dead man is a dead man guilty or not.

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