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So Brit pilots are against having armed sky marshals on board their aircraft. Would it make you feel safer or not? Do you think that they are effective or do you think that airport securty should just be beefed up?
Personaly unless they're going to deal with drunk air rage passengers I can't imagine a more boring job.
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Just seal the pilots off. Design planes like taxi cabs so there's no way of getting from the back into the front unless your parked up.

No bugger's gonna take over that plane. So the pilot can't screw the stewardess - but hey, they get to do enough of that on the ground.

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Just seal the pilots off. Design planes like taxi cabs so there's no way of getting from the back into the front unless your parked up.

No bugger's gonna take over that plane. So the pilot can't screw the stewardess - but hey, they get to do enough of that on the ground.



Recently, flights from Paris to LAX and vice versa were grounded. Why? Because they suspected that the pilots were Al Quaeda.

So, now we have sealed off cockpits where nothing short of explosives can get anyone into the cockpit. Now, nobody can do anything about a crazed pilot. No need to hijack the plane and take it over. Just be a pilot.

Armed guards? Useless in that situation.[:/]


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Shit, honestly I wish I could carry on flights, it'd definately make me feel better. Atleast there's other folks with good training carrying for the rest of us. Send any fucktard back on the flying carpet he came in on.
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How about doing more to protect the aircraft in the air? The Israeli airline has reinforced cockpit doors and the flight deck crew is under explicit orders not to open it in flight for *any* reason. While they're arguably the most terrorized nation on the planet, they've had no hijackings. Kinda difficult when you can't get into the cockpit, y'know.

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Shit, honestly I wish I could carry on flights, it'd definately make me feel better. Atleast there's other folks with good training carrying for the rest of us. Send any fucktard back on the flying carpet he came in on.



If we could just shoot all the fucktards as a sport, then it would be fun too,

oh, Wait.
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They also have the most stringent ground based security, and a extra hour check in to do a good job of it.
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US flights have undercover Air Marshals on them already sometimes. The only way that gun is going to be used as a weapon outside the marshals control is a a hammer after every round has been fired by the marshal.

I'm more worried about maintence of the fleet and weather then I am about terrorism on a commerical flight anymore.
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Also, once the gun is taken or "stolen"... If they are undercover, which one is the Marshal??? I think that tasers are adequate.



According to FBI data, TASERs fail to incapacitate their intended subject in 15-30 percent of deployments.Counter-measures such as heavy clothing or makeshift shielding are readily available.

You can only fire one or two shots. There were more than 2 hijackers on each plane on 9/11.

The effect of a high-voltage electrical discharge on aircraft electrical systems has not been widely studied.

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Israel has also been using air marshals on all of its flights for many years. They blend right in so nobody knows who they are, and they don't expose themselves to deal with drunk passengers.

I'm all for arming everyone, maybe not with guns, but at least let everyone carry on a knife. Terrorists very well know people aren't going to sit back and let a plane be hijacked anymore. They will fight back. But terrorists also know that nobody has a freaking weapon either. Most of the rules, along with most security rules in general, only stop the honest people.

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but at least let everyone carry on a knife.



You know whats interesting? I've carried a Spyderco Endura for nearly 10 years now. I've also been trained (properly) on how to fight with it, etc.

The last time I flew commercial was 1998, I was flying into Washington DC from Dallas for a vacation, I carried my Spyderco (3 1/2" fully serrated combat folder...it looks scary to the uninformed) right through the metal detectors/security. Infact, the guard commented on what a nice knife it was and handed it to me from the change tray I put it in.

I had the thing with me the entire trip, going through 2 airports and tons of monuments and such in DC. No one cared. I also knew for a fact that if someone tried to mug myself or my folks (who were with me), I would have a weapon available to fully defend myself and my family...
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Quite a few people have mentioned sealing off the cockpit as an effective means of guarding against a terrorist attack. But what of a suicide bomber? Or someone willing to take their live to cause harm?

They could easily still take the plane hostage. Imagine you're the pilot.. you've got a message through (from flight crew over intercom or what have you, I'm no expert!) saying there's a madman back there about to try and kill the 200 odd passengers. Do you open the doors and let them fly the damn thing?

Sad situation though I guess.. if you've got a suicide bomber on your hands, there's not a lot you can do to stop them short of blowing them up yourself first.

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I agree. Against someone desperate enough to take his own life with everybody else, there is not much to do...

I am more comfortable with locking the cockpit and tazers for the crew than a gun on board.

It would be interesting to find out what comercial pilots think about it.
I don´t know abour the US, but here in spain the main pilot have by law control of the plane, so if we had to have a policeman with a gun on board, we would have to change our constitution. Otherwise, a pilot could refuse to take off with a gun on board.

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Quite a few people have mentioned sealing off the cockpit as an effective means of guarding against a terrorist attack. But what of a suicide bomber? Or someone willing to take their live to cause harm?



Nobody gives a shit about a single plane load of people at this point.

The idea is to try to stop them from killing -thousands- of people by using the aircraft as a missle.

If you stop the terrorists from running the plane into the Empire State Building, you win.
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US flights have undercover Air Marshals on them already sometimes.



Speaking of total dumbasses . . . did you read this?


http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/123103_nw_airmarshal.html


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Woman Tries To Choke Air Marshall?
MINNEAPOLIS — With air security extremely tight, a woman aboard a flight between Pittsburgh and Minneapolis was arrested after a confrontation with an air marshall.

Passengers aboard the Northwest flight say the woman appeared to be drunk. When approached by an on-board air marshall, the woman allegedly tried to choke and kick the officer.

She also allegedly bit another officer as she was escorted off the plane.

The woman could be facing federal charges of interfering with a flight crew.


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Comercial pilots in the UK are AGAINST having weapons on board. See the attachment at the top of the posting.
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