jumperconway 0 #1 January 6, 2004 >Allah or Jesus? >By Rick Mathes > >Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session, there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths who explained their belief systems. > >I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. > >The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. > >When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a Jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?" > >There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation he replied: "Non-believers!" > >I responded: "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?" > >The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied: "Yes." > >I then stated: "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Pat Robertson or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!" > >The Imam was speechless. > >I continued: "I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question: Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and wants you to come with me?" > >You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. > >Chuck Colson once told me something that has sustained me during these 20 years of prison ministry. > >He said to me: "Rick, always remember that the truth will ultimately prevail." > >--And I believe it shall! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #2 January 6, 2004 Neat, but I don't believe that this conversation ever took place. Looks like common internet trash to me. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #3 January 6, 2004 Quote Neat, but I don't believe that this conversation ever took place. Looks like common internet trash to me. - Jim I'm with Jimbo.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #4 January 6, 2004 Even if it did not happen, do you think that many/most mainstream Islamic leaders preach exactly as claimed?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #5 January 6, 2004 Nope. I don't believe that many/most mainstream Islamic leaders preach exactly as claimed. I also don't believe that many/most Catholic priests molest little boys, either. What I do believe is that the media (surprise!) reports on what sells. In this case, it's 'good news' to hear about Islamic leaders preaching about the slaughter of the infidels. Just like it's 'good news' to report about Catholic priests molesting little boys. In both cases, the minority gets the press, and the majority are left to deal with the aftermath. At least that's what _I_ believe. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 January 6, 2004 HERE is the original article. This, of course, doesn't mean that it really happened, only that Rick Mathes says it did.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 January 6, 2004 Read the rest of the articles on that page. That's some seriously classic "fire and brimestone" revival preach'n. I had enough of that shit for the first 18 years of my life.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #8 January 6, 2004 call him 636-391-8560 (sarcastic tone)if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 January 6, 2004 On the other hand . . . at least he doesn't appear to be one of the many that uses religion to line his pockets too much. I mean, how much money can there possibly be in preaching to prisoners? Just from the small amount I've seen on his web site, yes, he's quite heavy handed, but it appears pretty altruistic.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 January 6, 2004 Quoteit appears pretty altruistic The "Prison Preachers" I've known through the years tend to be living just past poverty and truely believe in what they're doing.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinjackflash 0 #11 January 6, 2004 Ok, I hate this, but I'm sucked in. I vote for Bhudda. He's Fat, He's Lazy and DAMNIT HE STINKS. But, far as I know, he's the only, and I mean the only. The only one that hasn't instructed his followers, somewhere along the line. TO KILL EVERYONE THAT DOESN'T LISTEN there you have it. jjfIt's a gas, gas, gas... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 January 6, 2004 Wait a minute . . . whoops . . . seems like -maybe- there is a buck or two in it somewhere. http://www.charityadvantage.com/missiongateministry/FortGoodShepherd.asp Ok, NOW he's got my attention. 100 acre ranch, Tennessee walking horses . . . there's a buck or two all right, but from where donations? State funding? Interesting.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #13 January 6, 2004 Oh, but see, he needs that 100acre ranch so he can properly preach the gospel like the Paul did, to all of those that will listen... *shakes head*--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #14 January 6, 2004 I read the rest of the page and some of those articles seem pretty made up... especially the bear one. and doesn't somewhere in the old testiment of the bible, it says for believers to kill others? So couldn't this reverend get on a jew and yell at him for his religion? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #15 January 6, 2004 Who Was the Buddha? Siddhata Gotama was born into a royal family in northen India, in 563 BC. At 29, he realised that wealth and luxury did not guarantee happiness, so he explored the different teachings religions and philosophies of the day, to find the key to human happiness. After six years of study and meditation he finally found 'the middle path' and was enlightened. After enlightenment, the Buddha spent the rest of his life teaching the principles of Buddhism - called the Dhamma, or Truth - until his death at the age of 80.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinjackflash 0 #16 January 6, 2004 Ahhhh, you've won the daily double! And you phrased it in the form of a question! Too COOL! However, even though, you still got my point, dint ya? LOL peace (without killin peeps) jjf All joking aside though, enlightenment is the way in my mind... (that is, if you were choosing sides, getting guns and, oh, wait, back to killing eachother again)It's a gas, gas, gas... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dkf1979 0 #17 January 6, 2004 Personally in my opinion, whether true or not. He makes a good point.http://bodypilot.bounceme.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #18 January 6, 2004 ARRRRRG, I hate this so much, but here i go too, sucked in....... I for one do not agree with Islamic Religion. I agree that there must be something in their fundemental religion which has caused them as a people to have skewed beliefs towards humanity. HOWEVER - look at the Followers of Islam here today. 99.99% of them are trying hard to live good, honest, clean lives and do the best for themselves and their families. These are good, wholesome people. The vast majority of them do not go around blowing people up or treating their women badly. I do not believe that they are evil, nor are they going to hell for following a religion which 1400 years ago told them to kil other people for believing differently. Have us (christians) forgotten about the Crusades??? The Inquisition? I may disagree with a person on these issues, but I will always extend a hand of friendship to them - and I will show a respect for their beliefs. I get really sick of this sometimes - I do not agree with this approach to handling differences in beliefs.=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #19 January 6, 2004 Indeed I did get your point. The best thing about buddhism is that it isn't a religion. Its a philosophy. Its a beautiful way of life. For those of you who are interested in learning more feel free to visit http://www.buddhanet.net/www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #20 January 6, 2004 Typical racist shit. Getting sick of this kind of crap.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #21 January 6, 2004 Well then don't read the crap. Just Crap on them..."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #22 January 6, 2004 QuoteTypical racist shit. Racist!? How does this concern race? QuoteGetting sick of this kind of crap. Nice show of tolerance there, fella. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #23 January 6, 2004 OK, this particular one may not be strictly racist but it is Islamaphobic and hate orinentated. I don't belive it for a second either. I was born into a Muslim family and brought up a Muslim. As an adult I became a Christian. I didn't have any problems with any of my family because of it, know why? Because Muslims do not belive that Christians or Jews are 'infidels' or non belivers. In fact unlike Christians who only belive that other Christians will go to heaven Muslims belive that Christians and Jews will go to Paradise/ Heaven. This is because Christians and Jews are classed as 'people of the book'. ie:The Bible. In the Koran it instructs Muslims to belive in the Bible. So either this guy was talking to a uneducated fool or this e mail is a lie. Personaly I belive its a lie created to generate hate, and hate is a tool of the devil.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #24 January 6, 2004 I'm with Jimbo. And Skyrad. And Buddha. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
