quade 4 #26 December 26, 2003 I was thinking more along the lines of Wesley Clark. Seems like he's pretty well educated. http://clark04.com/about/ QuoteAlways committed to public service, he (Wesley K. Clark) went to West Point at the age of 17 and graduated at the top of his class in 1966. He also earned a Master's Degree in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar. Waddya got on Dean, Edwards or for that matter President Bush (43)?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #27 December 26, 2003 QuoteWaddya got on Dean, Edwards or for that matter President Bush (43)? Hey, I like Clark too, and yeah, Rhodes Scholar is impressive. I think Clinton was one too. Dean, well the whole MD thing, that's an education... but I was really just referring to how well educated they seem, not actually are. I mean, I consider myself to be more well-educated than GWB, but I don't have my bachelor's yet. Then again, I'm not going around planning national strategery either. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #28 December 26, 2003 Quote... Do you think they would go, with pride and honor and a sense of duty, to support corporate greed? ... but as a verteran it pisses me off that so many people think we are mindless automatons who only follow orders no matter how stupid they are. Only someone who never served would believe this is how the military really works. Well I did serve, both active and reserve with a stint in the middle as a dependent to my wife. As a member of the military it is your job to go do what the people above you tell you to do. You are not paid to decide if it is right or wrong and the only way you can disobey and not be in serious shit is if the order it self is illegal. i.e. "Go rob that liquor store soldier." or "Rape all of the women in town." I disagreed with Gulf War I and when it was over I got out of the reserves. I was fortunate not to have been sent to the gulf but would have gone had I been because I committed to serve my country. Bush and company botched Afghanistan but at least I understood and could support why we went in. The invasion of Iraq was about revenge for Daddy and an effort to insure some sort of oil supply. Lining corporate pockets is just a nice plus. As to Ron's statement about no blowjobs from interns, well you are right, just hundreds of dead Americans and thousands of dead Iraqis. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #29 December 26, 2003 QuoteWhat evidence has been offered that Saddam was "supporting" terror networks? He gave money to the families of suicide bombers. Pakistan is atleast pretending to help us some Saudi Arabia did that nice comercial right after 9/11 saying they support us....While I think they are full of shit, they don't burn American flags....So until we have cause we can't do shit.... Saddam, was wide open in his hatred of us. AND he didn't comply with the UN. So not only did he openly hate us, support terror but he also would not follow the UN's rules....These other countries have not done all of that...At least not in the open."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #30 December 26, 2003 QuoteI mean, I consider myself to be more well-educated than GWB, but I don't have my bachelor's yet. Then again, I'm not going around planning national strategery either. Then how do you see yourself as better educated?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #31 December 26, 2003 QuoteThe people that pay your salary are the people buying the products. Where do you suppose they got the money to buy the products? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #32 December 26, 2003 QuoteFrom the responses I've seen so far I am inclined to agree with you my friend. Good gawd man. If I read another "revenge for daddy" cliche in here, I am going to blow the pilot light out, turn on the gas, and shove my head in the oven! QuoteFor the record, I don't think Bush is a great president but don't feel he's doing a bad job either. I think I'd rate him better than average right now. None of the buffoons running against him have the potential to be even average. Well said. Merry Christmas Vinny! . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #33 December 26, 2003 Quote Where do you suppose they got the money to buy the products? From the people that bought -their- products or services. That's how capitalism works. It's an ever flowing circle of money. When it goes exclusively into the pockets of just a few, ultimately, it fails. Henry Ford realized that if he didn't pay his workers enough to be able to purchase his own products and or price his cars low enough then they would only be the playthings of the rich and ultimately his company would fail. Believe it or not, this was considered to be a major change in economic philosophy and as it turned out, a very good one.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #34 December 26, 2003 QuoteA lot of good their pre-911 decisions did us against those 747s. Speaking of well educated, I'll bet GWB knows the difference between a 747 and a 767 (the planes used by the Islamic terrorists). about half as many passengers and half as many engines, no upper deck, among other things. Clinton was accused of using war to divert attention from his scandals. Now GWB is accused of using it for daddy's revenge, corporate greed. I don't believe either. Until you offer more proof of any of this, you might do well to continue your education. I saw a Bill Moyers' NOW PBS special - documentary about 'companies that profit from war'. Oh my gosh, he was so shocked that free enterprise exists in the area of supplying our military with products and services. He (and I suspect you) would be happy if only government could do it - have a vertical and horizontal monopoly on everything our military needs. If you want to stifle innovation and make our military ineffective, then proceed along this course. I think Dems would be thrilled if they could find a guy like Neville Chamberlain to be their nominee, but then again, maybe they have.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #35 December 26, 2003 QuoteHenry Ford realized that if he didn't pay his workers enough to be able to purchase his own products and or price his cars low enough then they would only be the playthings of the rich and ultimately his company would fail. Ford did not owe his success to selling cars to his employees. He did it by, as you say, finding a way to mass produce a reliable vehicle at a reasonable price. He likely got more productivity and helpful ideas from well paid workers, and deserves some credit for this. Unfortunately he refused to produce the Rolls Royce airplane engine during WWII (Packard, with less initial capacity, took on the task of supplementing the British production), and he was a vocal racist (please exscuse me for a little thread hijacking): Henry Ford and his war on JewsPeople are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #36 December 26, 2003 Quote Ford did not owe his success to selling cars to his employees. It was the creation of the middle class. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2993242.stm He definately wasn't a saint, but much of what we know about the way captialism works came from his ideas.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #37 December 26, 2003 Every time someone asks that I tell them to ask theirself if THEY could have done a better job. There are many things that is not told to the public b/c it has to be that way, and there are many things told to the public through the media that are NOT the way it really is. Edited to add go Bush! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #38 December 26, 2003 From the article Quade cited: "Henry Ford also doubled the average wage and that put spending power into many hands, creating a middle class." As I said, he deserves credit for realizing that high productivity and low turnover could in part come from paying his workers well, but 'creating a middle class'? I think his priciples of mass production that he pioneered, and were adopted then by others deserves the credit, not just the earning power of his employees. I am likely splitting hairs, and definitely guilty of Hijacking, so to get it back on track... I think GWB is a good president.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #39 December 26, 2003 Quote Every time someone asks that I tell them to ask theirself if THEY could have done a better job. There are many things that is not told to the public b/c it has to be that way, and there are many things told to the public through the media that are NOT the way it really is. Second guessing whether person A -could- have done better than person B is futile. All you can really do is look at the history record and let that speak for itself. Like they say on eTrade with regard to stock prices, past performance is not a guarantee of future success. That said, people are usually prudent to not back a failing stock. When November rolls around, take a look at the history record and ask yourself if you're actually safer and more prosperous with the current Administration or would like a change. Don't look for promises -- look for real results.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leggit 0 #40 December 26, 2003 ***Dude, why bother responding at all? Do you see anything in this thread that rises above a basic level of unoriginal, lamentatious, and regurgitated spittle? To me, this thread appears to be profoundly un-inspired, aka another troll that offers a bland dish of sophomoric whining, but no interesting alternatives or solutions to anything. *** So why did you respond? Perhaps so we could see how sophisticated your Vernacular is when it comes to dressing up belligerence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EricTheRed 0 #41 December 26, 2003 ***illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #42 December 26, 2003 QuoteSo why did you respond? Perhaps so we could see how sophisticated your Vernacular is when it comes to dressing up belligerence? Well, I don't have a giant penis, and I can't fart on demand, so what better ways would you suggest to get the chicks? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leggit 0 #43 December 26, 2003 Apart from elephant tranquilizers?...well I don't know... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #44 December 27, 2003 Yo' GW is the most allert freeking president we have had in years! Only to be outdone by his dad and and Reagen. If you didn't notice the rest of the world laughing at us while our last was having his unit being sucked and asking what "is" is. We were the laughing stock of the the world!!!!!!!!! Now Mr. Dean is another fucking laughing matter all together!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #45 December 27, 2003 Quote All I can see is bad stuff tlike taking away our civil liberties and rolling back laws that protect our environment.merry christmas and study more."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #46 December 27, 2003 QuoteDefinitely not my father's name got me a degree Bush. I'll be sure to tell my father how evil he was for getting me a degree. In fact he's even more evil, since he got all 8 of his kids a degree. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites b1jercat 0 #47 December 27, 2003 Good old Dubya, ya either love him or you hate him. With Iraq being pretty much a done deal, you can't fault him there. On the other hand Oassma Bin Laudin's sitting back in the hills somewhere laughing his ass off about Clinton getting a blow job in the oval office. blue skies jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #48 December 27, 2003 Quote With Iraq being pretty much a done deal, you can't fault him there. It should be interesting to see how much time elapses between right now and when Iraq actually is a done deal. Meanwhile, http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx I'm guessing there are a few families that can fault the policy at least a bit. On the other hand, I seriously doubt Usama Bin Ladin has given more than a passing thought to Clinton's personal life since he left the White House.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #49 December 27, 2003 Stanley Prusiner, the recipient of the 1997 Nobel Prize in Medicine, said in an interview Thursday that Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman and her department refused to listen to his warning after mad cow disease was found in Canada in May. Veneman refused to meet with him. Prusiner is the discoverer of prions, the agent that causes mad cow disease. He later ran into Karl Rove, political advisor to GWB and finally managed to meet Veneman. Isn't it sad that the only way the administration gets to listen to an expert is when it might affect the re-election bid?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #50 December 27, 2003 Quote Since it seems like there are so many Bush supporters with in the skydiving community could someone please tell what good he has done for our country. All I can see is bad stuff tlike taking away our civil liberties and rolling back laws that protect our environment. Is the economy booming? Are we safer now? It is an enigma to me why so many can stand behind our president while he continues to bring our brothers and sister to die in unjust combat based on corporate greed. Saddam and Ossama are both evil people that dont deserve to live, but there were other ways to do it. Thanks for listening to me Why don't you tell us what he has done bad and why? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 9 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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sundevil777 102 #38 December 26, 2003 From the article Quade cited: "Henry Ford also doubled the average wage and that put spending power into many hands, creating a middle class." As I said, he deserves credit for realizing that high productivity and low turnover could in part come from paying his workers well, but 'creating a middle class'? I think his priciples of mass production that he pioneered, and were adopted then by others deserves the credit, not just the earning power of his employees. I am likely splitting hairs, and definitely guilty of Hijacking, so to get it back on track... I think GWB is a good president.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #39 December 26, 2003 Quote Every time someone asks that I tell them to ask theirself if THEY could have done a better job. There are many things that is not told to the public b/c it has to be that way, and there are many things told to the public through the media that are NOT the way it really is. Second guessing whether person A -could- have done better than person B is futile. All you can really do is look at the history record and let that speak for itself. Like they say on eTrade with regard to stock prices, past performance is not a guarantee of future success. That said, people are usually prudent to not back a failing stock. When November rolls around, take a look at the history record and ask yourself if you're actually safer and more prosperous with the current Administration or would like a change. Don't look for promises -- look for real results.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leggit 0 #40 December 26, 2003 ***Dude, why bother responding at all? Do you see anything in this thread that rises above a basic level of unoriginal, lamentatious, and regurgitated spittle? To me, this thread appears to be profoundly un-inspired, aka another troll that offers a bland dish of sophomoric whining, but no interesting alternatives or solutions to anything. *** So why did you respond? Perhaps so we could see how sophisticated your Vernacular is when it comes to dressing up belligerence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #41 December 26, 2003 ***illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #42 December 26, 2003 QuoteSo why did you respond? Perhaps so we could see how sophisticated your Vernacular is when it comes to dressing up belligerence? Well, I don't have a giant penis, and I can't fart on demand, so what better ways would you suggest to get the chicks? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leggit 0 #43 December 26, 2003 Apart from elephant tranquilizers?...well I don't know... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #44 December 27, 2003 Yo' GW is the most allert freeking president we have had in years! Only to be outdone by his dad and and Reagen. If you didn't notice the rest of the world laughing at us while our last was having his unit being sucked and asking what "is" is. We were the laughing stock of the the world!!!!!!!!! Now Mr. Dean is another fucking laughing matter all together!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #45 December 27, 2003 Quote All I can see is bad stuff tlike taking away our civil liberties and rolling back laws that protect our environment.merry christmas and study more."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #46 December 27, 2003 QuoteDefinitely not my father's name got me a degree Bush. I'll be sure to tell my father how evil he was for getting me a degree. In fact he's even more evil, since he got all 8 of his kids a degree. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #47 December 27, 2003 Good old Dubya, ya either love him or you hate him. With Iraq being pretty much a done deal, you can't fault him there. On the other hand Oassma Bin Laudin's sitting back in the hills somewhere laughing his ass off about Clinton getting a blow job in the oval office. blue skies jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #48 December 27, 2003 Quote With Iraq being pretty much a done deal, you can't fault him there. It should be interesting to see how much time elapses between right now and when Iraq actually is a done deal. Meanwhile, http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx I'm guessing there are a few families that can fault the policy at least a bit. On the other hand, I seriously doubt Usama Bin Ladin has given more than a passing thought to Clinton's personal life since he left the White House.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #49 December 27, 2003 Stanley Prusiner, the recipient of the 1997 Nobel Prize in Medicine, said in an interview Thursday that Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman and her department refused to listen to his warning after mad cow disease was found in Canada in May. Veneman refused to meet with him. Prusiner is the discoverer of prions, the agent that causes mad cow disease. He later ran into Karl Rove, political advisor to GWB and finally managed to meet Veneman. Isn't it sad that the only way the administration gets to listen to an expert is when it might affect the re-election bid?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #50 December 27, 2003 Quote Since it seems like there are so many Bush supporters with in the skydiving community could someone please tell what good he has done for our country. All I can see is bad stuff tlike taking away our civil liberties and rolling back laws that protect our environment. Is the economy booming? Are we safer now? It is an enigma to me why so many can stand behind our president while he continues to bring our brothers and sister to die in unjust combat based on corporate greed. Saddam and Ossama are both evil people that dont deserve to live, but there were other ways to do it. Thanks for listening to me Why don't you tell us what he has done bad and why? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
