Who killed JFK?

[AggieDave 6]

I can't say yes or no, there are just too many holes to say one way or the other.

For instance, where's JFK's brain? What about the missing footage from the film, etc.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Sheenster303 0]

Ya know.....the name Oswald always makes me think of that guy off the Drew Carey Show.....

I'm so funny I crack my head open!

P.M.S. #102

[tunaplanet 0]

I am laughing that someone actually would ask if LHO had a better aim than Carlos Hathcock. Hold on while I paste this to some old military buddies. They'll get a kick out of that.

Bottom line...no person was ever able to score 2 out of 3 hits with the same rifle within the same amount of time. Until someone does, the lone gunman theory doesn't have a leg to stand on. Period. You can quote physics, chemistry, trig or even the bible...the best marksmen in the world could not do what the lone gunman fanatics claim LHO did.

Arguments quite frequently get clouded with fancy talk and what not. Someone hitting 2 out of 3 times with the same gun, angle, range and time frame would prove me and all the other people who feel there was a conspiracy wrong.

Forty-two

[Unstable 9]

I think that Every Single One of those Killed him as well as a Few others. Well, I think that they all tried that morning, It just is an issue who got him first.......

=========Shaun ==========

[quade 4]

Ah, the "Murder on the Orient Express" theory.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[WFFC 1]

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And, tell me, why did the post-mortem show entry in back, exit on front?

Weren't there discrepencies with that as well? From what the Dallas doctors and the military coroner reported?

[tunaplanet 0]

Yes. The whole autopsy on him was a clusterfuck in every sense of the word. People in the room who shouldn't have been there, people pulling rank on those who shouldn't have, etc.....

Forty-two

[lawrocket 3]

Tuna:

No, I am not suggesting that LHO had better aim than Hathcock. Not by a longshot, no pun intended.

What I AM asking, is whether the snipers had the same sight picture as LHO. See the difference?

Did Oswald have the reticle centered on the head? Was he aiming center mass? We don't know! Maybe his breathing was off and LHO was aiming for the chest. Do we know? No, we do not. His shots could have been a couple of clicks high. Nobody can duplicate what LHO did, in those conditions, because we do not KNOW the conditions.

THAT is my point, not whether he could shoot as well as Hathcock. Yeah, I have the book on Hathcock.

Think about this. Joseph Whitman stood 231 feet above ground on a 1966 day. He shot 46 people from that range! Further than LHO! All in about 20 minutes. Switching targets. Moving targets. Targets not framed by a vehicle. On a 110 degree day.

Nobody duplicated that feat! No conspiracy theorists sayign one man couldn't do that damage! Why not? His job was more difficult than Oswald's.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[tunaplanet 0]

Law, I have no clue what Hatchcock and his men were aiming at because I was not there and I don't want to put off my opinion as fact...however...I am assuming they were aiming for his head seeing that would be the only real shot from LHO position. Part of JFKs back may have been exposed, but they was he was sitting in the limo it looks like the head was the only visible target.

All Hathcock stated was that neither him nor his men could hit the target 2 out of 3 times on any attempt. These are Marine snipers, the very best shooters in the world. Now that's a huge statement considering I was in the Navy and you have NO IDEA how hard it is for me to state that marines are the best in something but I have to give credit where credit is due. Marine Snipers are the best in the world.

I posted it before, but here's the excerpt from Hathcock himself.

Retired Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock is likewise skeptical of
Oswald's alleged shooting feat. Hathcock is a former senior
instructor at the U. S. Marine Corps Sniper Instruction School at
Quantico, Virginia. He has been described as the most famous
American military sniper in history. In Vietnam he was credited
with 93 confirmed kills. He now conducts police SWAT team sniper
schools across the country. Craig Roberts asked Hathcock about
the marksmanship feat attributed to Oswald by the Warren
Commission. Hathcock answered that he did not believe Oswald
could have done what the Commission said he did. Added Hathcock,

Let me tell you what we did at Quantico. We
reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the
range, the moving target, the time limit, the
obstacles, everything. I don't know how many
times we tried it, but we couldn't duplicate what
the Warren Commission said Oswald did. (KILL ZONE,
pp. 89-90)


Bottom line, when proffessional snipers say they couldn't repeat the performance of what those claim LHO did, red flags must be raised.

Forty-two

[ltdiver 3]

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I can quote physics and human physiology. If a doctor tests your reflexes by hitting your knee, why does it kick back the opposite direction? By your logic, should it not go forward?

Not to bring up an argument, but your comment caught my attention.

I work with brain injured people in physical therapy every day and their reflexes are tested throughout their treatments.

Here is a very easy web site to understand just how a patellar (knee) reflex arc works. It -does- respond with a reaction back -toward- the point of contact.

Patellar Reflex

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[testpilot 0]

LHO only got one shot off, the one that missed.

Dave
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[Skyrad 0]

I think it was LHO. But quite frankly, why give a damn it was a long time ago. As for X rays, they're only as good as the person interpreting them and people often think they are right when they haven't got a clue. Especialy when it comes to ballistics.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[lawrocket 3]

Actually, light, my point was that reflexes are just that - "reflexes."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[reprobate 0]

My theory is my own and I've never heard it from anyone else :). LHO fucked up everything he ever did and I don't see how he finally got it right the last day.
-- An aside-- LHO was left handed shooting a right hand rifle. I am right handed and after losing my right eye changed my shooting style. I have a bolt action 270 that I battery on my left shoulder, aim with my left eye and when I shoot I leave my left hand on the grip and finger near the trigger and re load with my right hand. With a steady, strong grip one doesn't even touch the fore grip. It is possible to fire VERY fast like this. Accurate; Not By Me !

Anyway, I have thought that LHO was really shooting at John Connelly. When JC was Sec. Navy Oswald petitioned him to expunge the Undesireable Discharge he recieved. Connelly personally refused it.
I kinda think LHO was shooting at JC and screwed up as usual, paniced and started running for cover. When he went into the theator he was acting suspisious so people pointed him out to police looking for the killer of officer Tibbetts (sp?). These guys might have even thought they were arresting a cop killer until they got him to jail.
I even have my doubts about the Tibbits thing. LHO had photos taken of him with his guns. The only hand gun was a revolver and officer Tibbits had shell casings next to his body. He and LHO were carring wheel guns
Anyway, I am the only person I know that thinks this. Except for a Brother-in-Law that thinks he was shooting at Jackie.

Carl

[tbrown 26]

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Why should this matter? It was over and done with over 40 years ago. Just let it go. No one may ever know and everything you guys are saying is pure speculation. No one knows if you are right or wrong so don't get in an argument about it please.

Nobody's arguing here, the discourse is pretty civil. It has been 40 years now and most of the principle players have died.

The reason this goes on and on with no resolution is that the Kennedy assasination is when everything started "going wrong". It was a huge blow to America and the world, as well as to our perception of ourselves as a people and a country. It was a short slippery slope from Nov 1963 to Vietnam, urban riots, LSD, anti war and anti draft demonstrations, the King and RFK assasinations, more riots, and so on.

I was only 8 years old on 11/22/63, I was in the 3rd grade and we were cleaning our desks before the weekend, when the news started coming over our school PA. What totally freaked me out at that age was seeing so many adults starting to cry. That wasn't supposed to happen, ever, and it was extremely unsettling to me as a kid. I knew something had to be SERIOUSLY wrong with this. The whole national mood was on a huge bummer for the next few months, until thank God, the Beatles came along on Ed Sullivan. They were so great, so completely different, and so fun, that it was suddenly OK to have fun again. We owe the Beatles for helping us snap out of it.

But for those of us who remember, it was that big of a deal. And if you're too young to remember, think 9-11. The shock was that awful. And with the assasin killed before he ever went to trial, or even talked, it created a gnawing doubt that's never gone away. It probably doesn't make a difference anymore and we probably would b e better off to just go with the official Oswald verdict. I'd rather nobody else ever proves otherwise at this point. But the reason we still speculate is because of how deeply it shook us.

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[Skyrad 0]

Now that is a great answer. Thanks.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca