happythoughts 0 #26 December 30, 2003 QuoteYou know darn well on the big ways I land away from the crowd. Thinking of Q, how do you get a crowd smaller than two? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #27 December 30, 2003 This hook stuff really piss's me off somtime's......I lost a good friend ( Roger Nelson ) due to this type of flying. Does everyone have to show off and hook all the time? Take some time and enjoy the sky and cruise to a landing nice and mellow.....look around , smile and grove on the fact that you are part of this wonderful gig..............geeezzz wallysmile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #28 December 30, 2003 QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- back to the old post huh.. experienced jumpers never fuck... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I never said that...Its just they don't get killed as much. to that i will agree.But they still get hurt QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- if he flyes an 88 he must be experienced... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not true. One does not mean the other. Him flying an 88 means he had 1500.00 dollars If thats the case then you have some wussi rules about when you can fly a canopy.and some weired dealers(ie if the custumers dies from flying their gear they wont come back). QuoteBesides our argument was on currency....Not total jumps. we talked statistic Quote You can have 10,000 jumps and if you have not jumped in 5 years you are uncurrent and dangerous. So true if the person expect to go back in the sport as he/she left it.. when it all coms to bottom its a matter that we just dont want to see our freinds getting hurt/killed. Happy safe new year to youand the rest of you guys/gals Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #29 December 30, 2003 QuoteI also think that swooping should be limited to a prescribed area on the DZ so that others may avoid that area. This is/has been such an obviously oppropriate solution to the traffic problem, I don't understand why the dzo's don't implement it, and enforce it. Eloy-none, Z-Hills-none, SDC-none, Ranch-none.......I'm not all that big on a bunch of rules, but this one sure would make things simpler._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #30 December 30, 2003 QuoteQuote I'm not all that big on a bunch of rules, but this one sure would make things simpler. I agree. Also if you look at the U.S. aviation community, it doesn't take a lot for the FAA to get involved after they see a string of accidents. Once that door opens, they'll try and regulate everything. Give them a inch, they'll take a mile. Wouldn't it be in our best interest to police ourselves? Must we be subject to an outside agency (ie. FAA/federal gov't) to do it? Hmmm..... (I'm bored at work) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #31 December 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteI also think that swooping should be limited to a prescribed area on the DZ so that others may avoid that area. This is/has been such an obviously oppropriate solution to the traffic problem, I don't understand why the dzo's don't implement it, and enforce it. Eloy-none, Z-Hills-none, SDC-none, Ranch-none.......I'm not all that big on a bunch of rules, but this one sure would make things simpler. Since Roger's accident SDC has set aside an area for those with >1500 jumps only. Unfortunately, this does not really address the issue of segregating the swoopers, since there is no 1 to 1 correlation between swooping and jump numbers.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #32 December 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteI also think that swooping should be limited to a prescribed area on the DZ so that others may avoid that area. This is/has been such an obviously oppropriate solution to the traffic problem, I don't understand why the dzo's don't implement it, and enforce it. Eloy-none, Z-Hills-none, SDC-none, Ranch-none.......I'm not all that big on a bunch of rules, but this one sure would make things simpler. After Roger's death, the experienced landing area is into the wind only at Spaceland. If you want to downwind or crosswind you land on the otherside of the runway where the swoop ditch and pond are. If you crosswind in the experienced area, you'd better land last! to add; They also installed a big bright orange tetrahedron for low or no wind days when you can get mixed signals from the wind blades. It's helped a lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jmpnkramer 0 #33 December 30, 2003 Quoteto add; They also installed a big bright orange tetrahedron for low or no wind days when you can get mixed signals from the wind blades. It's helped a lot. As long as the individual under canopy knows how to read it. There are a ton of people out there who do not know the proper way to read a tetrahedron. Laters, The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #34 December 30, 2003 personally, I have no idea how to read one of those. enlightenment, please?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #35 December 30, 2003 As long as the individual under canopy knows how to read it. There are a ton of people out there who do not know the proper way to read a tetrahedron. ------------------------------------------ If a new jumper shows up we let them know to land the direction it is pointing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #36 December 30, 2003 Quote As long as the individual under canopy knows how to read it. There are a ton of people out there who do not know the proper way to read a tetrahedron ok..i realize if you've never seen one it might be confusing, but otherwise i would hope most everyskydiver has enough common sense to figure it out... of course i've also had someone ask (who overheard a conversation about off dz landings and how to determine wind direction) "how does the grass tell you which way the wind is blowing...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beerlight 0 #37 December 30, 2003 The smaller pointy end points in the direction you need to land...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #38 December 30, 2003 thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #39 December 30, 2003 QuoteIf thats the case then you have some wussi rules about when you can fly a canopy.and some weired dealers(ie if the custumers dies from flying their gear they wont come back). There aren't any wussy rules about when you can fly a canopy. There aren't any rules. I can buy any size canopy I want off the internet right now. We have this wussy philosophy called personal responsibility. Unfortunately, not many people adhere to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jmpnkramer 0 #40 December 30, 2003 I see someone has already answered your question. It is good to know that someone learned something. Only been to Perris once but I thought that they had a Tetra? Oh well, at least you learned how to properly read it. Always remember though; if you are not sure of something, ASK! Laters, The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #41 December 30, 2003 I've never had a problem reading the flags, and was always one of the last to land anyway, so the pattern was always set. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #42 December 30, 2003 It can be confusing because a wind sock shows wind direction and the tet points to landing direction. Often with light winds, the wind sock isn't catching the wind, the tet will move with very litle wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jmpnkramer 0 #43 December 30, 2003 I am sure you did not have a problem reading flags. I was just stating that I thought I saw a Tetra at Perris. I figured that since you were a student there one of the instructors might have show you how to read it. Quotealways one of the last to land anyway, so the pattern was always set. Be leary sometimes fools set the pattern and on other occasions the wind will change. Just something to keep in mind. Laters, The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #44 December 30, 2003 I always checked the flag in the student circle before setting the landing pattern to make sure. there is a tetra at perris, but the instructors never said anything about it. I honestly didn't even know it was a wind thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #45 December 30, 2003 QuoteI am sure you did not have a problem reading flags. I was just stating that I thought I saw a Tetra at Perris. The color of the tet at Perris makes it very difficult to read from a distance. The solid flourescent orange one at Spaceland is very easy to read from a distance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #46 December 30, 2003 QuoteThe color of the tet at Perris makes it very difficult to read from a distance. The solid flourescent orange one at Spaceland is very easy to read from a distance. good point! sounds like a job for the midnight paint team ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #47 December 30, 2003 The midnight BODY paint team -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Faber 0 #48 December 30, 2003 QuoteI can buy any size canopy I want off the internet right now. so can i but i cant nessesary jump it in DK QuoteWe have this wussy philosophy called personal responsibility. Unfortunately, not many people adhere to it. which fails big time...im sure that if you had some rule at the subject you would have less injuryes and fatalityes... i even belive pd is working on this... it really herlps peopl to learn to fly a canopy before they step further down... funny theres licens about how to act in freefall but as it comes to landing the thing that most of the times save our poor asses,then its "we can handel it" Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #49 December 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe color of the tet at Perris makes it very difficult to read from a distance. 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kallend 2,027 #31 December 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteI also think that swooping should be limited to a prescribed area on the DZ so that others may avoid that area. This is/has been such an obviously oppropriate solution to the traffic problem, I don't understand why the dzo's don't implement it, and enforce it. Eloy-none, Z-Hills-none, SDC-none, Ranch-none.......I'm not all that big on a bunch of rules, but this one sure would make things simpler. Since Roger's accident SDC has set aside an area for those with >1500 jumps only. Unfortunately, this does not really address the issue of segregating the swoopers, since there is no 1 to 1 correlation between swooping and jump numbers.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #32 December 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteI also think that swooping should be limited to a prescribed area on the DZ so that others may avoid that area. This is/has been such an obviously oppropriate solution to the traffic problem, I don't understand why the dzo's don't implement it, and enforce it. Eloy-none, Z-Hills-none, SDC-none, Ranch-none.......I'm not all that big on a bunch of rules, but this one sure would make things simpler. After Roger's death, the experienced landing area is into the wind only at Spaceland. If you want to downwind or crosswind you land on the otherside of the runway where the swoop ditch and pond are. If you crosswind in the experienced area, you'd better land last! to add; They also installed a big bright orange tetrahedron for low or no wind days when you can get mixed signals from the wind blades. It's helped a lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpnkramer 0 #33 December 30, 2003 Quoteto add; They also installed a big bright orange tetrahedron for low or no wind days when you can get mixed signals from the wind blades. It's helped a lot. As long as the individual under canopy knows how to read it. There are a ton of people out there who do not know the proper way to read a tetrahedron. Laters, The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #34 December 30, 2003 personally, I have no idea how to read one of those. enlightenment, please?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #35 December 30, 2003 As long as the individual under canopy knows how to read it. There are a ton of people out there who do not know the proper way to read a tetrahedron. ------------------------------------------ If a new jumper shows up we let them know to land the direction it is pointing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #36 December 30, 2003 Quote As long as the individual under canopy knows how to read it. There are a ton of people out there who do not know the proper way to read a tetrahedron ok..i realize if you've never seen one it might be confusing, but otherwise i would hope most everyskydiver has enough common sense to figure it out... of course i've also had someone ask (who overheard a conversation about off dz landings and how to determine wind direction) "how does the grass tell you which way the wind is blowing...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #37 December 30, 2003 The smaller pointy end points in the direction you need to land...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #39 December 30, 2003 QuoteIf thats the case then you have some wussi rules about when you can fly a canopy.and some weired dealers(ie if the custumers dies from flying their gear they wont come back). There aren't any wussy rules about when you can fly a canopy. There aren't any rules. I can buy any size canopy I want off the internet right now. We have this wussy philosophy called personal responsibility. Unfortunately, not many people adhere to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpnkramer 0 #40 December 30, 2003 I see someone has already answered your question. It is good to know that someone learned something. Only been to Perris once but I thought that they had a Tetra? Oh well, at least you learned how to properly read it. Always remember though; if you are not sure of something, ASK! Laters, The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #41 December 30, 2003 I've never had a problem reading the flags, and was always one of the last to land anyway, so the pattern was always set. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #42 December 30, 2003 It can be confusing because a wind sock shows wind direction and the tet points to landing direction. Often with light winds, the wind sock isn't catching the wind, the tet will move with very litle wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpnkramer 0 #43 December 30, 2003 I am sure you did not have a problem reading flags. I was just stating that I thought I saw a Tetra at Perris. I figured that since you were a student there one of the instructors might have show you how to read it. Quotealways one of the last to land anyway, so the pattern was always set. Be leary sometimes fools set the pattern and on other occasions the wind will change. Just something to keep in mind. Laters, The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #44 December 30, 2003 I always checked the flag in the student circle before setting the landing pattern to make sure. there is a tetra at perris, but the instructors never said anything about it. I honestly didn't even know it was a wind thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #45 December 30, 2003 QuoteI am sure you did not have a problem reading flags. I was just stating that I thought I saw a Tetra at Perris. The color of the tet at Perris makes it very difficult to read from a distance. The solid flourescent orange one at Spaceland is very easy to read from a distance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #46 December 30, 2003 QuoteThe color of the tet at Perris makes it very difficult to read from a distance. The solid flourescent orange one at Spaceland is very easy to read from a distance. good point! sounds like a job for the midnight paint team ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Push 0 #47 December 30, 2003 The midnight BODY paint team -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Faber 0 #48 December 30, 2003 QuoteI can buy any size canopy I want off the internet right now. so can i but i cant nessesary jump it in DK QuoteWe have this wussy philosophy called personal responsibility. Unfortunately, not many people adhere to it. which fails big time...im sure that if you had some rule at the subject you would have less injuryes and fatalityes... i even belive pd is working on this... it really herlps peopl to learn to fly a canopy before they step further down... funny theres licens about how to act in freefall but as it comes to landing the thing that most of the times save our poor asses,then its "we can handel it" Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumperconway 0 #49 December 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe color of the tet at Perris makes it very difficult to read from a distance. The solid flourescent orange one at Spaceland is very easy to read from a distance. good point! sounds like a job for the midnight paint team Several of us joked about exactly that at the POP's world attempts! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #50 December 30, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We have this wussy philosophy called personal responsibility. Unfortunately, not many people adhere to it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- which fails big time... Hasn't failed me...yet. And if it ever does, no one to blame but myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Zenister 0 #46 December 30, 2003 QuoteThe color of the tet at Perris makes it very difficult to read from a distance. The solid flourescent orange one at Spaceland is very easy to read from a distance. good point! sounds like a job for the midnight paint team ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #47 December 30, 2003 The midnight BODY paint team -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #48 December 30, 2003 QuoteI can buy any size canopy I want off the internet right now. so can i but i cant nessesary jump it in DK QuoteWe have this wussy philosophy called personal responsibility. Unfortunately, not many people adhere to it. which fails big time...im sure that if you had some rule at the subject you would have less injuryes and fatalityes... i even belive pd is working on this... it really herlps peopl to learn to fly a canopy before they step further down... funny theres licens about how to act in freefall but as it comes to landing the thing that most of the times save our poor asses,then its "we can handel it" Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #49 December 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe color of the tet at Perris makes it very difficult to read from a distance. The solid flourescent orange one at Spaceland is very easy to read from a distance. good point! sounds like a job for the midnight paint team Several of us joked about exactly that at the POP's world attempts! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #50 December 30, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We have this wussy philosophy called personal responsibility. Unfortunately, not many people adhere to it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- which fails big time... Hasn't failed me...yet. And if it ever does, no one to blame but myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
