Beerlight 0 #51 December 30, 2003 Quotethere is a tetra at perris, but the instructors never said anything about it. . Probably a good idea.. A tet needs a little more wind than a windsock to work.... One good thing about a tet is you can see them from further away....dats about it........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #52 December 30, 2003 Just imagine if the popular thing to do was race your car, hit the brakes and skid into a parking space.....how long do you think that would last? We are around the corner from a nightmare none of us can imagine,,,just watch..its com'n................wallysmile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
algboy 0 #53 December 31, 2003 "I watched a guy hook over the top of someone at WFFC a few years ago. The guy on the bottom never saw it coming. The top guy took out the canopy of the bottom guy." My S/O has strict orders that if anyone should take me out as in the above scenario or "Roger Nelson" me, she is turn to burn down their house with them and their family inside. When anyone asks why, she'll just make a stupid grin and say: "Hey! It's all good, duuuuude." But . . . I could be wrong.“Keep your elbow up!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #54 December 31, 2003 QuoteJust imagine if the popular thing to do was race your car, hit the brakes and skid into a parking space..... There was a time in my life I was really good at that "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwmike 0 #55 December 31, 2003 QuoteIt is like Kramer said another aspect of the sport. Done correctly it can be as safe as skydiving can get. I have probabley 2,500 hook turns...I have yet to break anything but my pride and I tore a Jump suit once. The people who get hurt doing "hook turns" are the guys that try to progress faster than their skills...Quote ...and people who lose awareness of traffic? You both made a mistake. Glad you pulled it out. BSBD, Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #56 December 31, 2003 Quote...and people who lose awareness of traffic? Looked didn't see him. He left after us, I had a really cool spinning break fire opening so I was lower than planned, but had plenty of time to set up a normal pattern. He was not anywhere near me when I set up in my pattern. (I can only guess he was shadowing me above me the whole time.) Its a case of a guy that felt he need to get his swoop on, everyone else be damned. He didn't respect the low guy has the right of way. I was the 3rd to land, 1st group out. A Velocity 96 and a higher loaded Stilletto from my group preceded me. One from my group was not down when he and I landed. Maybe I could have looked around better....But low guy STILL has the right of way, and you don't have the right to swoop if it endangers others."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jmpnkramer 0 #57 December 31, 2003 QuoteYou both made a mistake. Please explain your great philosophy on us. Laters, KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #58 December 31, 2003 QuotePlease explain your great philosophy on us. Old pilot adage "It takes two to collide, only one to avoid""No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #59 December 31, 2003 Good to hear you're alright, Ron. An additional observation for the group: From big-ways to solo's and jumping c-182's at SD Iowa to Otters at SDC; every load I'm on there's always been a group discussion/ announcement on the landing direction. Everyone lands the same direction. Usually it's into the wind. Even if the wind switches and you have to land a bit crosswind; everyone lands in the same pre-arranged landing direction. Blue Skies! Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #60 December 31, 2003 Why not just make a simple rule? Everyone land facing the peas? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jmpnkramer 0 #61 December 31, 2003 QuoteEveryone land facing the peas I wonder sometimes where we are at if that is what people are doing. Laters, The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #62 December 31, 2003 That works for me. But if you're the one who over shoots the peas or you have to turn after landing to face the peas you owe a case of beer. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #63 December 31, 2003 QuoteWhy not just make a simple rule? Everyone land facing the peas? That's always been the rule at ZHills, right?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #64 December 31, 2003 QuoteQuoteWhy not just make a simple rule? Everyone land facing the peas? That's always been the rule at ZHills, right? Sure. Breakoff is a nice 360 and track. Dump when you're scared, and land facing the peas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crapflinger2000 1 #65 December 31, 2003 I thought I would add my .02, from the perspective of a guilty party. Once I got my Velocity, which I am loading up in the area of 2 to 1, I started making crosswind landings ONLY at the DZ in Hollister, since that was off the wind line, and it avoided the slight uphill associated with the normal windline. Usually this is not an issue, since I am usually pretty good about judging these things, and since I am usually swooping parallel and semi close to major obstacles (barbed wire fence and telephone lines) I am out of everyone's way. However, on two occasions I came pretty close to cutting others off, if not outright cutting them off. Strong crosswind blowing me farther out into the field and into normal landing traffic. Whose fault? MINE MINE MINE. My plan? Get my head out of my ass. Swoop Xwind only when sure I can avoid all others. Admit mistakes. Apologize if cut people off. __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #66 December 31, 2003 QuoteGet my head out of my ass. Swoop Xwind only when sure I can avoid all others. Admit mistakes. Apologize if cut people off. I spoke to two people at Rantoul this year. Person 1 came in downwind and did a 90 into a crosswind. Swooping down the fence in the spectator area. 8-10 people were coming straight into the wind. He cut them all off. When asked, his response was "It's ok, I saw them." My response, "No, it's not ok. If I see it again, you can go home." Person 2 carved in between 2 loading tents and carved 90 into a crosswind behind the LO tents. A lot of people landing there. People dodging him all over the place. His observation? "It's cool, I do it all the time at my home dz." "Ok, but you aren't there. Don't do it anymore." For the people going to WFFC, the rules become more important when there is more people. There are people who post here that are unhappy examples. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #67 December 31, 2003 QuoteI thought I would add my .02, from the perspective of a guilty party. Once I got my Velocity, which I am loading up in the area of 2 to 1, I started making crosswind landings ONLY at the DZ in Hollister, since that was off the wind line, and it avoided the slight uphill associated with the normal windline. Usually this is not an issue, since I am usually pretty good about judging these things, and since I am usually swooping parallel and semi close to major obstacles (barbed wire fence and telephone lines) I am out of everyone's way. However, on two occasions I came pretty close to cutting others off, if not outright cutting them off. Strong crosswind blowing me farther out into the field and into normal landing traffic. Whose fault? MINE MINE MINE. My plan? Get my head out of my ass. Swoop Xwind only when sure I can avoid all others. Admit mistakes. Apologize if cut people off. I would add that even if you are sure, others who are landing may not be sure what the hell you are up to, and take evasive action anyway. People behaving unpredictably are a hazard, and landing crosswind when all others are landing downwind falls into this category, IMHO.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AntiPinkChrissy 0 #68 January 2, 2004 QuoteI spoke to two people at Rantoul this year. I think the canopy control this year at Rantoul was the worst I have ever seen it. Not that I have been to too many, only 3. I swear I thought I had a big X on my back because of the number of times people cut me off or started doing radical S turns to bleed of alititude on final right into me. And since the winds were light and variable, obviously people weren't listening to the announcements about which way to land since I had people coming at me numerous of times. GRRRR!!!! ~La La Gang Member #2~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #69 January 2, 2004 Quotestarted doing radical S turns to bleed of alititude on final right into me Last time I mentioned something about that, folks were trying to tell me I was wrong for saying they were wrong. People doing that is fucking dangerous. 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Ron 10 #56 December 31, 2003 Quote...and people who lose awareness of traffic? Looked didn't see him. He left after us, I had a really cool spinning break fire opening so I was lower than planned, but had plenty of time to set up a normal pattern. He was not anywhere near me when I set up in my pattern. (I can only guess he was shadowing me above me the whole time.) Its a case of a guy that felt he need to get his swoop on, everyone else be damned. He didn't respect the low guy has the right of way. I was the 3rd to land, 1st group out. A Velocity 96 and a higher loaded Stilletto from my group preceded me. One from my group was not down when he and I landed. Maybe I could have looked around better....But low guy STILL has the right of way, and you don't have the right to swoop if it endangers others."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpnkramer 0 #57 December 31, 2003 QuoteYou both made a mistake. Please explain your great philosophy on us. Laters, KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #58 December 31, 2003 QuotePlease explain your great philosophy on us. Old pilot adage "It takes two to collide, only one to avoid""No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #59 December 31, 2003 Good to hear you're alright, Ron. An additional observation for the group: From big-ways to solo's and jumping c-182's at SD Iowa to Otters at SDC; every load I'm on there's always been a group discussion/ announcement on the landing direction. Everyone lands the same direction. Usually it's into the wind. Even if the wind switches and you have to land a bit crosswind; everyone lands in the same pre-arranged landing direction. Blue Skies! Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #60 December 31, 2003 Why not just make a simple rule? Everyone land facing the peas? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpnkramer 0 #61 December 31, 2003 QuoteEveryone land facing the peas I wonder sometimes where we are at if that is what people are doing. Laters, The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #62 December 31, 2003 That works for me. But if you're the one who over shoots the peas or you have to turn after landing to face the peas you owe a case of beer. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #63 December 31, 2003 QuoteWhy not just make a simple rule? Everyone land facing the peas? That's always been the rule at ZHills, right?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #64 December 31, 2003 QuoteQuoteWhy not just make a simple rule? Everyone land facing the peas? That's always been the rule at ZHills, right? Sure. Breakoff is a nice 360 and track. Dump when you're scared, and land facing the peas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #65 December 31, 2003 I thought I would add my .02, from the perspective of a guilty party. Once I got my Velocity, which I am loading up in the area of 2 to 1, I started making crosswind landings ONLY at the DZ in Hollister, since that was off the wind line, and it avoided the slight uphill associated with the normal windline. Usually this is not an issue, since I am usually pretty good about judging these things, and since I am usually swooping parallel and semi close to major obstacles (barbed wire fence and telephone lines) I am out of everyone's way. However, on two occasions I came pretty close to cutting others off, if not outright cutting them off. Strong crosswind blowing me farther out into the field and into normal landing traffic. Whose fault? MINE MINE MINE. My plan? Get my head out of my ass. Swoop Xwind only when sure I can avoid all others. Admit mistakes. Apologize if cut people off. __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #66 December 31, 2003 QuoteGet my head out of my ass. Swoop Xwind only when sure I can avoid all others. Admit mistakes. Apologize if cut people off. I spoke to two people at Rantoul this year. Person 1 came in downwind and did a 90 into a crosswind. Swooping down the fence in the spectator area. 8-10 people were coming straight into the wind. He cut them all off. When asked, his response was "It's ok, I saw them." My response, "No, it's not ok. If I see it again, you can go home." Person 2 carved in between 2 loading tents and carved 90 into a crosswind behind the LO tents. A lot of people landing there. People dodging him all over the place. His observation? "It's cool, I do it all the time at my home dz." "Ok, but you aren't there. Don't do it anymore." For the people going to WFFC, the rules become more important when there is more people. There are people who post here that are unhappy examples. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #67 December 31, 2003 QuoteI thought I would add my .02, from the perspective of a guilty party. Once I got my Velocity, which I am loading up in the area of 2 to 1, I started making crosswind landings ONLY at the DZ in Hollister, since that was off the wind line, and it avoided the slight uphill associated with the normal windline. Usually this is not an issue, since I am usually pretty good about judging these things, and since I am usually swooping parallel and semi close to major obstacles (barbed wire fence and telephone lines) I am out of everyone's way. However, on two occasions I came pretty close to cutting others off, if not outright cutting them off. Strong crosswind blowing me farther out into the field and into normal landing traffic. Whose fault? MINE MINE MINE. My plan? Get my head out of my ass. Swoop Xwind only when sure I can avoid all others. Admit mistakes. Apologize if cut people off. I would add that even if you are sure, others who are landing may not be sure what the hell you are up to, and take evasive action anyway. People behaving unpredictably are a hazard, and landing crosswind when all others are landing downwind falls into this category, IMHO.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AntiPinkChrissy 0 #68 January 2, 2004 QuoteI spoke to two people at Rantoul this year. I think the canopy control this year at Rantoul was the worst I have ever seen it. Not that I have been to too many, only 3. I swear I thought I had a big X on my back because of the number of times people cut me off or started doing radical S turns to bleed of alititude on final right into me. And since the winds were light and variable, obviously people weren't listening to the announcements about which way to land since I had people coming at me numerous of times. GRRRR!!!! ~La La Gang Member #2~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #69 January 2, 2004 Quotestarted doing radical S turns to bleed of alititude on final right into me Last time I mentioned something about that, folks were trying to tell me I was wrong for saying they were wrong. People doing that is fucking dangerous. As dangerous as doing a blind hook turn in a lot of traffic.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
