Saddam captured??

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1st : well done
2nd : what with the Geneva Convention (do not show pictures of war prisoners etc...) with which the US gov was scandalised when Iraqis showed US prisoners??
3rd : where is Oussama ??
4th : unfortunately, it's not because they got the Ace of Spades that the game is over

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ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579

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Thank God for SpeedRacer...somebody FINALLY put this all into skydiving perspective!

come on, stay serious.. this is Talk back, not General Skydiving Discussion...

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ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579

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2nd : what with the Geneva Convention (do not show pictures of war prisoners etc...) with which the US gov was scandalised when Iraqis showed US prisoners??

funny i asked the same,i dont rember i got an answere on that one... ohh if your on the right side of the war you can do it....

i dont know why im NOT suppriced again US shows the world that they can play as they want to...It must be hard to tell the rules of a war,when you dont follow them your self

but still a good job catching that ####

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

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strange, only europeans notice that kind of stuff...
by the way, did they find any weapons of mass destruction ??? We all know the US gov still has the invoices and delivery bills . And what did Saddam have ?? 1 pistol, 2 kalachnikov... and 750'000 USD... lucky bastard, he could have shared with poor european skydivers

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ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579

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i dont know why im NOT suppriced again US shows the world that they can play as they want to...It must be hard to tell the rules of a war,when you dont follow them your self

It is much easier to play if you make up the rules as you go along.

"Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening."
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes

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are you credible if you modify the rules you say (and signed) you stick to ??
but yeah, sure it is a normal reaction to show such a capture to the world, and also showed that the troops did not mistreat him, gave him a bath (hope so), a close shave etc... BUT... it's not in the rules...

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ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579

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so what did the Iraqés then do wrong about showing US prisoners? they looked cleaner than Saddam,and their loved once then knew they still were alive...

i were asked today. "if the US didnt shows pic of Saddam,how will the world then belive they actualy captured him??"
i answerede "so the Iraqés did the same..who would belive they captured US soldiers(MARINES),if they didnt showed pics of them..."

hmm im might wrong here i dont know...NOT

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Stefan Faber

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The fundamental difference is that Saddam is a deposed president of that country and not a common foot soldier . The nature of his position protects him in some aspects and opens him up in others in matters concerning the Geneva Convention and the Uniform Declaration of human rights.

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i still think its doubel moral to show thouse pics... The pics showen the globe arround more shows a old wild man,and the pics were showed before they even said it were him(proved by dna),until that point it could be a doubbel,hell it could still be,but who can say..besides thouse who claimed they took his dna

Dont ask me how i would show the world that we got him,just making a point...

As said in the news the terro aint stopped yet and it wont anytime soon,so lets just hope we can get the rest of the soldiers home in one living peice..

think i made my point in this tread and guess i dont have to say it more,so ill leve it by this

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

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Geeezus

If we didn't show him, you guys would say GWB was cooking up some kind of propoganda. I can hear it now:

"If we REALLY had caught Saddam, the Bush Admin. should put him on T.V. to prove to the world its true".

" There's something fishy about their reluctance to prove they got him".

"Probably a story cooked up in Texas".

Would you guys just give it a rest?

We got Saddam. He was put on T.V. to try to stop some of the homicide bombings on U.S. Troops and to bring closure for those Iraqis or the families of those who have been tortured by Saddam. Many Iraqis are suspicious of the U.S. and wouldn't have believed he had really been captured any other way. Now that we have given them proof he isn't coming back, perhaps the Iraqi people can move forward.

Showing captured soldiers would not have been done for the same reasons as showing Saddam therefore the two don't equate.

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However, it's far too soon for you or I to tell if say, two hours earlier he wasn't in contact via satellite phone.

HOLY SHIT..........Are you serious? He looked like any homeless guy in the USA. Do you REALLY think he had command of shit?

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He looked like any homeless guy in the USA.
Do you REALLY think he had command of shit?

Point #1 -- I don't think that momentary appearances and physical image are all that important in the Arab world. Take a look at some of the other leaders hiding in caves and I think it's not too far fetched to imagine that Hussein would have still had followers even if he did look pretty scraggly.

Point #2 -- At the time I made that statement, it was far too soon to tell how much control he had over things. It's clear now that he probably still did have some value as a symbolic leader even if he wasn't in direct control. He did, after all reportedly have some valuable papers in his briefcase with quite a few current contacts on them.

As to whether I personally believe he was in control, that's not the issue. Only that it was too early to tell what level of involvement he still had.

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As to whether I personally believe he was in control, that's not the issue. Only that it was too early to tell what level of involvement he still had.

So the "Future Cam" was on the Fritz?

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In regard to the infamous "weapons of mass destruction", those are still yet to be found. But in the meantime, I think the mass graves with atleast 300,000 bodies could be considered "mass destruction."

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It's the FutureCam! Not the Can-See-8000-Miles-Away-Cam.

Had the FutureCam actually been on site, it would have been able to tell fairly quickly.

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i dont know why im NOT suppriced again US shows the world that they can play as they want to...

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sorry dude... as its only US intwellegence that works whith Saddam,how can we then be sure?US goverment has lied before and will again.. it migth just be an extrta spear es to be showen, so US can look like the winner.. who knows...

drop the bull about US soldies in Iraqe,there are also DANISH(actualy i also has a freind down there),Italy,British and more nationals down there fighting the war thats still there even while it were declarired by US to stop by 1 exact date..

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Showing captured soldiers would not have been done for the same reasons as showing Saddam therefore the two don't equate.

your right aslong you dont take a life for a life/a human beeing for a human beeing

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

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are you credible if you modify the rules you say (and signed) you stick to ??

No you are not. That was my point, we Americans seem to like to change the rules as we go.

Should we have shown SH in order to demonstrate we had him, yes. Should we have shown pictures of his dead sons? No, let respected Iraqi nationals see the bodies and pass the word. Should we have shown dead and captured Iraqi troops, no as we raised hell whenever they did the same to our troops.

"Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening."
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes

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We got Saddam. He was put on T.V. to try to stop some of the homicide bombings on U.S. Troops ...

I hope you don't think there will really be a short term reduction in attacks. Short term this may increase them. Long term, if respected Iraqis begin to come forward and take leadership positions, it should have a positive impact.

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Showing captured soldiers would not have been done for the same reasons as showing Saddam therefore the two don't equate.

Correct, but we have done both and showing the captured and dead soldiers was wrong.

"Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening."
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes

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sorry dude... as its only US intwellegence that works whith Saddam,how can we then be sure?US goverment has lied before and will again.. it migth just be an extrta spear es to be showen, so US can look like the winner.. who knows...
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Uhhh...yeah, right. Monkey might fly out of my ass too.

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drop the bull about US soldies in Iraqe,there are also DANISH(actualy i also has a freind down there),Italy,British and more nationals down there fighting the war thats still there even while it were declarired by US to stop by 1 exact date..
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If you reread my statement, I said U.S. Troops were being "TARGETED". While it's true troops from other countried have been killed by homocide bombers, I don't hear the terrorists screaming "Death to the Norweigens".

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Showing captured soldiers would not have been done for the same reasons as showing Saddam therefore the two don't equate.

your right aslong you dont take a life for a life/a human beeing for a human beeing

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Huh???? Whats that got to do with what I said?

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I don't hear the terrorists screaming "Death to the Norweigens".

no why would any kill them? the only harm they does are the hangovers they give them self after a visit in DK

if you think that Saddam is other than the US soldiers that were showed at TV,then you must belive he aint human...

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

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I don't hear the terrorists screaming "Death to the Norweigens".
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no why would any kill them? the only harm they does are the hangovers they give them self after a visit in DK
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ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579

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norwegians are whale killers...

So are the japanees....but that aint somthing you normaly kill people for

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Stefan Faber

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I hope you don't think there will really be a short term reduction in attacks. Short term this may increase them. Long term, if respected Iraqis begin to come forward and take leadership positions, it should have a positive impact.

Daily attacks dropped to less than 18 per day, versus 40+. It's still early, but WTF.

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You are so right. It is amazing how many Americans spend countless hours being part of the problem, but never a part of the solution. I guess freedom has spoiled us. I wonder how the media is going to make the capture of SH a bad thing. I am sure they will try and find away.