icewarrior1 0 #1 February 9, 2011 ok i'm a noobe. I got a 2000 javelin rig last year and it had 1 year left on the cypres. So now i need a new one. Just wondering what it means for 1 or 2 pin cypres? Whats the difference? Hope this isnt the dumbest question ever. Id ask my dropzone,but im just surfin lookin at prices right now and though id ask you all. thanks for any info!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #2 February 9, 2011 >So now i need a new one. Just wondering what it means for 1 or 2 pin cypres? Whats the difference? 1 pin cypres works with systems that have 1 reserve pin. 2 pin cypreses work with systems that have 2 reserve pins. The Javelin has one pin, like most rigs. The Racer has two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
icewarrior1 0 #3 February 9, 2011 Thank you!! what is the reason for 2 pins on the racer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #4 February 9, 2011 >what is the reason for 2 pins on the racer? Just another way to skin a cat. There used to be several designs that used two pins (the Swift, the Wonderhog, Strong's rig etc) but nowadays there are few US rigs that use it. A plus is that if you nudge one pin out the reserve doesn't deploy, but the position of the pins on a Racer (and a Reflex) ensures that anyway. A minus is that you have two pins that can be bent and more things to go wrong overall. (And of course you need the more expensive two pin Cypres.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #5 February 9, 2011 QuoteThank you!! what is the reason for 2 pins on the racer? I believe a one-pin reserve has the closing loop through the center of the pilot chute, holding it in the compressed position. A two-pin reserve has two closing loops, on opposite outside edges of the pilot chute, at the top and bottom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #6 February 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteThank you!! what is the reason for 2 pins on the racer? I believe a one-pin reserve has the closing loop through the center of the pilot chute, holding it in the compressed position. A two-pin reserve has two closing loops, on opposite outside edges of the pilot chute, at the top and bottom. Most of the 2-Pins that I've packed were Strong seat rigs, a Wonderhog, Strong Dual Hawks, but I believe they all used a continuous loop with a finger trap on both ends. The racer uses the same. --Edit-- Ok, so the strong seat rig was the one with the continuous loop, the Dual Hawk and Mini Hawk have 2 individual loops. Not sure what the hell I was thinking earlier. I only packed one of each (the dual and mini), and it was a while ago."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NovaTTT 2 #7 February 9, 2011 The Dual Hawk has two separate closing loops. "Even in a world where perfection is unattainable, there's still a difference between excellence and mediocrity." Gary73 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #8 February 11, 2011 Just mess with you ... all Racers have a continuous loop. American Racers have continuous loops that are sewn to the pilot chute, so that pulling one pin (or firing one Cypres cutter) will only allow the pilot chute spring to partially extend, but it will not deploy far enough to allow the reserve canopy out. However, some European Racers have (Airtec pattern) floating loops, which allow the reserve to fully deploy if only one pin is pulled (or only one Cypres cutter cuts). John Sherman hates the Airtec pattern of floating loops and has banned them in the USA, but I never heard the full explanation. All I know is that the last time we tested a floating loop on a Race, we put a lot of dents in the loft ceiling! Hah! Hah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
