SkyDekker 1,465 #101 December 24, 2003 QuoteDo you believe that if a US citizen agrees with "where their country is going", that it also means they are blind followers? In your opinion, can anyone agree with our President's policies and not be a blind follower? Certainly I think that. I just don't quite understand how you can trust a president who hears voices in his head? Why is it that not many americans are upset that they were mislead about the reasoning to go to war in Iraq? Why is it that so many americans believe there is a connection between SH and 9/11? Why is it that so many americans now believe the us invaded Iraq because SH was a bad man? Now compare those stats with those in other countries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #102 December 24, 2003 QuoteI just don't quite understand how you can trust a president who hears voices in his head? Hearing "voices" is something that happens to all of us. We just define the "source" in different ways. A religious person might define the voices as "hearing from God". Bush probably falls into this category. A non-religious person might define those same voices as "my conscience speaking to me". Either way, it's that "voice" that continually corrects, advises, teaches, and helps us learn, grow, and discern right from wrong in our lives. Of course, this only applies to sane people. There are illnesses that cause people to "hear voices" in an entirely different way, but I don't believe Bush falls into that category. QuoteWhy is it that not many americans are upset that they were mislead about the reasoning to go to war in Iraq? Currently, I believe that the Bush Administration truly believed the intel they had at the time. If actual deceit is ever proven, I will be just as angry about it as anyone else. QuoteWhy is it that so many americans believe there is a connection between SH and 9/11? Why is it that so many americans now believe the us invaded Iraq because SH was a bad man? Now compare those stats with those in other countries. Are you drawing these conclusions from a poll? Point me to it please? I will admit that a lot of Americans probably do believe these things as fact, but my point is/was that not ALL of us "blindly" follow anything. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #103 December 25, 2003 Quote Currently, I believe that the Bush Administration truly believed the intel they had at the time. If actual deceit is ever proven, I will be just as angry about it as anyone else. . Rule 1. Never EVER believe a politician, regardless of party. Rule 2. If a politician shakes your hand, count your fingers afterwards.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #104 December 31, 2003 QuoteMO of the right wing “club” on “Talk Back” 1) Post dubious “news” from a dubious source and declare it fact. 2) All other “club” member chime in, backslapping each other delighted how they shown off those “non-believers” 3) If nobody reacts to a post from the “club” for about 30 minutes – it will be claimed that those “lefties” have no come back or are too scared… 4) If somebody questions the “facts” or the “source”, presents an alternative view or even can provide documented facts contravening the “clubs” posts then there are 2 strategies employed: a) Ignore facts / arguments and attack poster (typical “leftie” full of hate/spin – anti-American – move somewhere else –etc. etc.) b) Stray off topic and mix one issue with another. Normally this includes making false claims about what the poster actually has written. (plus some attacks on a more personal level) 5) Always attack in packs and do not forget to congratulate each other for doing so. Those threads are of course “dead”. People who enjoy a civil and useful discussion cannot be bothered to continue or people get pissed off with the “club” and end up in name calling contests. I am in the first category. Good night. Hey Mikkey, don't forget "When using logic fails, try accusing the opposition of 'misdirection,' whatever the hell that means.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #105 December 31, 2003 Didn't you just violate #2, #4 and #5. "Typical Liberal" logic, one set of rules for you and another for everyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FliegendeWolf 0 #106 December 31, 2003 If you absolutely insist that I repeat myself... QuoteRegarding the "typical liberal" part ... well, do a search for the bit about what it does for one's credibility when one makes a post claiming that anybody is a typical anybody.A One that Isn't Cold is Scarcely a One at All Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #107 December 31, 2003 QuoteDidn't you just violate #2, #4 and #5. "Typical Liberal" logic, one set of rules for you and another for everyone else. That's so funny. In another thread we hear that it was evil of Clinton to fail to discover the wrongdoings of corporations like Enron, but it was OK for Bush because after all, friends often do bad stuff that we don't know about.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
