Michele 1 #1 December 24, 2003 Breaking/MSNBC: Air France has cancelled at least three, and possibly as many as six flights originating in France and coming to the US (at least one headed for Los Angeles, w/ a stopover in Cinncinnati). The US asked for the 3 known cancellations, and AF has voluntarily cancelled the additional 3 (unconfirmed). Sources say that the intel has come from the "chatter" previously known. Further, there are some indications that flights from Mexico may be cancelled as well, although that's still unconfirmed (mentioned in passing). Developing. ~~~ Damn, maybe this was the "attack to rival 9/11". Or maybe it's just misdirection to see what we will do. Either way, an airliner - not of the US - has taken a serious financial hit in grounding those 3 or 6 flights. That was not done on shakey intel, nor a whim. Stay safe! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #2 December 24, 2003 Yes it is How can NOT think this is an effort of Bush's administration to forfeit our constitutional rights? Merry X-mas dear."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #3 December 24, 2003 damn my flight to brasil on monday better not get cancelled!!! anyone traveling with a rig before then or since they announced the higher security monday?<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alcarterra 0 #4 December 24, 2003 Does anyone know of which flights were cancelled or where I can find this out? (I checked the air france website and didn't see anything). I have a trip to Nice leaving on Dec 26th and returning Jan 2nd...it's on Delta/Air France...hmmm...this isn't good...makes me feel great about my up coming trip alyson team swooo swooo #2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #5 December 24, 2003 Maybe check out the MSNBC website? There really isn't very much being said. According to what I understood the reports to be, people found out when they went to the denstination airport and the flight did not arrive, and was labled as "cancelled". I will listen for things and post as I hear them. EDIT: US officials are saying it's from Paris to the US, and that AQ had infiltrated the flights somehow. Might want to tune into MSNBC for top of the hour report, it will likely go into detail. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alcarterra 0 #6 December 24, 2003 Thanks I'll do that...I do fly from Paris back home, so I'll just have to check and see I guess. Edit to add: They were all flights from Paris to LA...I'll be flying back to Philadelphia...hmm...still makes me feel great alyson team swooo swooo #2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #7 December 24, 2003 Update/per MSNBC ~6 flights confirmed cancelled from Paris to US. ~Flights cancelled after information was gathered that AQ had infiltrated. ~Reuters confirming story ~Final destination: Los Angeles on at least 2 (?) flights ~Result of "chatter" that was specific enough to identifiy flights. ~Mexican flights are a concern as well. ~Concern both with passengers as well as flight crew (not necessarily pilot) Al, it looks like your flight to Nice may be all right, but I'd keep an eye out on the news. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #8 December 24, 2003 Have a suco acai for me in Brazil! And a caphiarinha (spelling?) too. I'm jealous, but will drink my jealousy away at Eloy!Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #9 December 24, 2003 An easy way to do it is to actually posting a link __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #10 December 24, 2003 If you go to MSNBC's web site, there is a link to see how well you would do as a security screener. I tried it and was unable to identify which bags contained items that posed a security threat and which were harmless. I will be more patient with the screeners next time I fly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #11 December 24, 2003 Huh... you would think that if they were positive that AQ had infiltrated the flights, they'd let the passengers think the flight was still on and then hold the flight to arrest them.I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee03 0 #12 December 24, 2003 Get use to things like this, the world, for this country changed forever in the wake of 9/11. Percieved or otherwise, threats will be taken and reacted on. Thus is life, and life really isn't good, with regards to this type of thing!-------- To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities. --Nevil Shute, Slide Rule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #13 December 24, 2003 I don't recall where I read it but there is some indication Al Qaeda might have recruited Airline Pilots. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #14 December 24, 2003 there was a blurb on MSNBC mentioning that they were concerned about a skilled pilot being able to make the flight look normal until it's too late.I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #15 December 24, 2003 Quotethere was a blurb on MSNBC mentioning that they were concerned about a skilled pilot being able to make the flight look normal until it's too late. It really wouldn't take that much skill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygal3 0 #16 December 24, 2003 Yup. Something on the news late last night about Al Qieda (who cares how it is spelled) actually being employed as commercial airline pilots overseas to get into commercial planes traveling to the U.S.A. How scary is that? The US now wants stricter background checks on all international pilots. Um. Shouldn't that already be applicable? What a scary world we live in... F*%kers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #17 December 24, 2003 No it does not. [sarcasm] We need to keep on being incultured cowboys, and trust the rest of the world for that matter, they mean well[/sarcasm]"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #18 December 24, 2003 QuoteHave a suco acai for me in Brazil! And a caphiarinha (spelling?) too. I'm jealous, but will drink my jealousy away at Eloy! oh don't worry, i'll be having many caipirinhas. it's been 2 years since i've been home, so i have a lot of batidas de marucaja, and acai's to have. my 2 gringo friends will have a blast though too!!!<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #19 December 24, 2003 So from the report I just watched, the US was very specific and insistant on the canceled flights but I didnt hear about any results of searches, arrests etc...??? dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygal3 0 #20 December 24, 2003 QuoteHuh... you would think that if they were positive that AQ had infiltrated the flights, they'd let the passengers think the flight was still on and then hold the flight to arrest them. From AOL (no clicky--bite me) "The U.S. Department of Homeland Security had been meeting with French officials in recent days over concerns about a possible terrorist attack. One U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the U.S. government had been trying to keep the negotiations with France confidential, ''hoping that we would be able to lure some of these people in.'' The official said there was some frustration within the Department of Homeland Security that the flights were canceled, thus allowing the word to get out about the security concerns." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #21 December 24, 2003 QuoteSo from the report I just watched, the US was very specific and insistant on the canceled flights but I didnt hear about any results of searches, arrests etc...??? Yeah...kinda like the intel about WMD in Iraq. Our think Intelligence, in this context, has become the first single word oxymoron. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabaLouie 0 #22 December 25, 2003 QuoteHuh... you would think that if they were positive that AQ had infiltrated the flights, they'd let the passengers think the flight was still on and then hold the flight to arrest them. Well not necessarily, they might have wound up with a situation with passengers and terrorist mixed, which might lead to a hostage event. Sometimes it is better to 'shake the tree' and see what falls out. By cancelling the flights, there is the opportunity to see what 'chatter' is taking place and where. Just my opinion..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #23 December 25, 2003 www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=428552§ion=news... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
